ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

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This theory explains low potassium scenario. How about those PFS guys with low sodium (i.e., low Na/K ratio) and high progesterone? Do you recommend increasing zinc finger protocol or decreasing with dex ? [mention]gbolduev[/mention]
 
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gbolduev post_id=5709 time=1512343556 user_id=90 said:
m_arch post_id=5706 time=1512342732 user_id=66 said:
Loving the finger and fork talk of late.

So basically... zinc, meat and magnesium.
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You dont digest any of that. Need to supplement. no potassium no stomach acid. dont try to simplify this. You miss one piece you run at the possibility of it not working.
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Why not take tzar vodka or HCL to digest it?
 
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gbolduev post_id=5749 time=1512391638 user_id=90 said:
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Histidine, also referred to as L-histidine, is an essential amino acid that is not synthesized de novo in humans

SO let me get it straight. You take some steroid like fin. This steroid lowers your potassium levels and downregulates protein absorption. since it causes alkalosis. Stomach acid needs potassum chloride and sodium.( ALL low in PSSD peopel) Histidine cant be made de novo so your body cant make this amino acid inside from another amino acid.. As potassium falls, there is no stomach acid. No stomach acid, NO HISTIDINE.

Copper will not work without histidine.



No histidine= ho histamine= zero arousal and libido= and ZERO STOMACH ACID, since histamine is needed for stomach acid.

And no histidine you get constant high cortisol, since zinc finger needs it. Zinc lowers histidine in the body. May be that is why zinc causes loss of libido.


so I would assume if you get rid of alkalosis with an IV or with the methods we are doing. You will retain histidine.

That is probably why carnosine was found to prolong life.
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Gbold,

As a child I had a lot of issues with hayfever and got put on anti histamines. Around that time i started putting on a lot of weight and developed high cortisol symptoms. It still hasn't solved itsself because getting to real low bodyfat levels is pretty much impossible. Could histidine help with this issue and rebound me metabolism?
 
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TubZy post_id=5868 time=1512422362 user_id=2 said:
Zinc "finger", I swear Gbol you always find the oddest sounding scientific terms hahaha
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If this protocol works we can show nice juicy zinc finger to RPF LOL
 
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Slayo post_id=5703 time=1512339756 user_id=1386 said:
i think what you said makes sense.....i did a "dutch test", it showed high free cortisol but low metabolised cortisol (and infact i feel low cortisol syntoms), my practitioner said the cause is most likely low thyroid that can't burn all this cortisol
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Me too besides the practitioner part.
 
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gbolduev post_id=5709 time=1512343556 user_id=90 said:
m_arch post_id=5706 time=1512342732 user_id=66 said:
Loving the finger and fork talk of late.

So basically... zinc, meat and magnesium.
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You dont digest any of that. Need to supplement. no potassium no stomach acid. dont try to simplify this. You miss one piece you run at the possibility of it not working.
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Cant you just have HCL with the meat then? You cant even get histadine on iherb
 
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[mention]gbolduev[/mention] I know we should discuss, but I am experimenting with the theory since you posted. for reference, my symptoms of PFS were ususally weak erections during actual intercourse. So I began using PDE 5 inhibitors. Im now off PDE5 for 6 months. Attempting to regrow hair on the crown of my head, crown in virtually totally bald. I will be getting full labs soon plus hair test. but test level has always been between 600-700, Estradial 40pg
In one large capsule ive put-200mg cysteine, 20mg Zinc, 2mg copper, 200mg Histadine
the first night my libido was high
2nd day I felt very orgasmic, high libido, wanted to hump everything
3 day "seems" like my hairs are stronger and poking up more, I shave my head with a 0, so I have to shave every few days
I also take haiduts B supp , spray topically on ankles
Resveratrol and DHT are for very occasional use, since it works so well on my libido
Ive been doing Red light, salt scrub, but quite the zinc/mang for now, unless you feel it is still necessary.
Im a RN in the ER, so im active, but we do get slow and Im on the computer for several hours during the day. but I bike ride and play sport with my 10yr old son often. ONce I feel or see hairs poking up in the crown, i will know what works. I do have a little fuzz though in the crown.
 
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tallglass13 post_id=6107 time=1512579920 user_id=130 said:
@gbolduev I know we should discuss, but I am experimenting with the theory since you posted. for reference, my symptoms of PFS were ususally weak erections during actual intercourse. So I began using PDE 5 inhibitors. Im now off PDE5 for 6 months. Attempting to regrow hair on the crown of my head, crown in virtually totally bald. I will be getting full labs soon plus hair test. but test level has always been between 600-700, Estradial 40pg
In one large capsule ive put-200mg cysteine, 20mg Zinc, 2mg copper, 200mg Histadine
the first night my libido was high
2nd day I felt very orgasmic, high libido, wanted to hump everything
3 day "seems" like my hairs are stronger and poking up more, I shave my head with a 0, so I have to shave every few days
I also take haiduts B supp , spray topically on ankles
Resveratrol and DHT are for very occasional use, since it works so well on my libido
Ive been doing Red light, salt scrub, but quite the zinc/mang for now, unless you feel it is still necessary.
Im a RN in the ER, so im active, but we do get slow and Im on the computer for several hours during the day. but I bike ride and play sport with my 10yr old son often. ONce I feel or see hairs poking up in the crown, i will know what works. I do have a little fuzz though in the crown.
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Cool, keep us updated. Dont turn into a humping machine. It would be nice if this works for the libido and the hair at the same time.
 
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HerrFisch post_id=6111 time=1512580802 user_id=114 said:
I would maybe upp that zinc to 35-45 mg. Histidine can lower your zinc. And 20mg is not that much if your diet consists of little zinc. Its not that much histidine, though I would think about it.
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I would not increase zinc here. It is more copper to work that we want here.
 
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I hear ya HerrFisch, but yea, I think i need to be careful with the zinc, it has lowered my libido in the past. I feel more from the copper
 
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tallglass13 post_id=6107 time=1512579920 user_id=130 said:
@gbolduev I know we should discuss, but I am experimenting with the theory since you posted. for reference, my symptoms of PFS were ususally weak erections during actual intercourse. So I began using PDE 5 inhibitors. Im now off PDE5 for 6 months. Attempting to regrow hair on the crown of my head, crown in virtually totally bald. I will be getting full labs soon plus hair test. but test level has always been between 600-700, Estradial 40pg
In one large capsule ive put-200mg cysteine, 20mg Zinc, 2mg copper, 200mg Histadine
the first night my libido was high
2nd day I felt very orgasmic, high libido, wanted to hump everything
3 day "seems" like my hairs are stronger and poking up more, I shave my head with a 0, so I have to shave every few days
I also take haiduts B supp , spray topically on ankles
Resveratrol and DHT are for very occasional use, since it works so well on my libido
Ive been doing Red light, salt scrub, but quite the zinc/mang for now, unless you feel it is still necessary.
Im a RN in the ER, so im active, but we do get slow and Im on the computer for several hours during the day. but I bike ride and play sport with my 10yr old son often. ONce I feel or see hairs poking up in the crown, i will know what works. I do have a little fuzz though in the crown.
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wich kind of dht are you using while you use dht+revesrarol?
 
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I have haidut's 11keto, and I have 2 tubes of Andactrim but just use the 11keto . But quite frankly, the resvertrol works well by itself. I will probably use 11keto + res when going on a date or going out to the pub. Im taking Gb's advice and not using any hormones anymore, except occacional use of the DHT coupled with the Res.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_finger

the term zinc finger is used to refer to any number of structures related by their coordination of a zinc ion. In general, zinc fingers coordinate zinc ions with a combination of cysteine and histidine residues. Originally, the number and order of these residues was used to classify different types of zinc fingers ( e.g., Cys2His2, Cys4, and Cys6).

Apart from modifying genetics, they do not mention anything more about zinc fingers!
 
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