Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[Yura]

Did you read those links? You can't fix low stomach acid and clogged lymphatic system with iron, calcium, magnesium salts etc.. with fasting and soaking in the ocean lol. I have different issues than post finasteride etc.. But I agree that relaxing on the beach and swimming in the ocean/sea is amazing therapy for overall health. Well I am from Czech Republic and I don't have a money to travel so..

 

[Yura]

Hydrochloric Acid Therapy
Wow just wow when I am reading this. Now all makes sense. After fucking 5+ years of treating bullshit like candida, copper toxicity, low thyroid. Everything starts from inability to make hydrochloric acid due to low minerals/stress etc.. Once you can't digest and use nutrients from the food. Everything will go south. From accumulation of metals to basically no working liver/ bile flow and pancreas. From this point you can have every health problem that you can imagine. In my case hypothyroid, adrenal fatigue, with high metals, but symptoms of copper deficiency, clogged lymphatic system, all kinds of skin issues etc etc. At this moment you can take all supplements in the world, the best diet nothing will work(which I am experiencing last almost decade) until you restore minerals, hydrochloric acid production. So you can rid of deposits of all kinds in the body, go out of alkalosis, digest food, use those nutrients and now your body have a chance to work like it should.. Now I get Gbolduev. Now when I think about "copper toxicity" i can just laugh Don't give me wrong. Someone can be copper toxic from copper pipes or birth control, but in most cases it is just another symptom of bigger more basic issue.. This forum is maybe mostly about PFS etc.. So that can be totally different topic, but for me. I think that I have the answer. If not and this thing will go nowhere again. Then fuck me.. lol

 

[supernature]

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[Niles]

Been really annoyed recently with how inconsistent HCl is for me. Here's my experience:

Day 1: 6-8 capsules, helping digestion for a few days
Day 5: 3-4 capsules, causing fatigue
Day 10: 1 capsule causing fatigue, some stomach warmth

You'd think this is maybe a good sign, like my stomach acid is up, but by day 10 my digestion isn't any better than before day 1 and I feel fatigued. Every time I've taken it I've also taken the necessary electrolytes, but my reaction is so inconsistent.

Anyone have an alternative to HCl for improving stomach acid? I'm going to start replacing it with digestive bitters pre-meal and see how that works.

 

[HerrFisch]

@Niles
You might need more KCl ?
How is your HCL and Kcl dosage? 200mg Kcl like I read in your thread?

 

[Yura]

Heh I don't drink beers.

Been really annoyed recently with how inconsistent HCl is for me. Here's my experience:

Day 1: 6-8 capsules, helping digestion for a few days
Day 5: 3-4 capsules, causing fatigue
Day 10: 1 capsule causing fatigue, some stomach warmth

You'd think this is maybe a good sign, like my stomach acid is up, but by day 10 my digestion isn't any better than before day 1 and I feel fatigued. Every time I've taken it I've also taken the necessary electrolytes, but my reaction is so inconsistent.

Anyone have an alternative to HCl for improving stomach acid? I'm going to start replacing it with digestive bitters pre-meal and see how that works.

Try hydrochloric acid and not capsules of betaine..

 

[Niles]

@Niles
You might need more KCl ?
How is your HCL and Kcl dosage? 200mg Kcl like I read in your thread?

I adjust my KCl intake with my betaine HCl intake, so I take roughly 200mg KCl for every gram of betaine HCl. Do you think that's enough? I'm taking a break from the betaine HCl for a bit, but if I start back up I might adjust that ratio to be heavier on the KCl.

 

[Niles]

Heh I don't drink beers.

Try hydrochloric acid and not capsules of betaine..

Worth a try. Do you have any reason to believe that the betaine part of the compound could be responsible for fatigue and indigestion?

 

[Orion]

Been really annoyed recently with how inconsistent HCl is for me. Here's my experience:

Day 1: 6-8 capsules, helping digestion for a few days
Day 5: 3-4 capsules, causing fatigue
Day 10: 1 capsule causing fatigue, some stomach warmth

You'd think this is maybe a good sign, like my stomach acid is up, but by day 10 my digestion isn't any better than before day 1 and I feel fatigued. Every time I've taken it I've also taken the necessary electrolytes, but my reaction is so inconsistent.

Anyone have an alternative to HCl for improving stomach acid? I'm going to start replacing it with digestive bitters pre-meal and see how that works.

Lysine HCl can be tested as well, mattyb has posted about dosages and interactions(arginine)

 

[Orion]

I adjust my KCl intake with my betaine HCl intake, so I take roughly 200mg KCl for every gram of betaine HCl. Do you think that's enough? I'm taking a break from the betaine HCl for a bit, but if I start back up I might adjust that ratio to be heavier on the KCl.

I do 1gram KCl, with my Betaine per each meal. ~5grams K is the RDA for males. But it is the Cl that is important from the KCl I believe.

 

[Yura]

Worth a try. Do you have any reason to believe that the betaine part of the compound could be responsible for fatigue and indigestion?

No but HCL therapy is hydrochloric acid not betaine. Also it is very cheap..

 

[Yura]

I do 1gram KCl, with my Betaine per each meal. ~5grams K is the RDA for males. But it is the Cl that is important from the KCl I believe.

You need to read something about hydrochloric acid therapy. You need potassium to make hydrochloric acid and yes 5000mg of potassium a day is very hard to obtain from the diet for avarage people.. Chlorid is not a problem because people are eating a lot of sodium chloride.. I will start with potassium chloride today for the first time. So I am curious what will happend. But I have tendency to low blood pressure, dehydration etc.. So I hope that the potassium will not drop my sodium to low or I will collapse lol.

 

[Chapman]

When are people taking the betaine hcl capsules, before, during or after the meal?

Also are they putting the chloride (potassium, magnesium) salts in the protein shaker and drinking them during the meal?

 

[Yura]

When are people taking the betaine hcl capsules, before, during or after the meal?

Also are they putting the chloride (potassium, magnesium) salts in the protein shaker and drinking them during the meal?

You should take betaine capsule after couple of bites of food. Then more bites and another capsule, more bites and another capsule. Depends on how much you need. But don't take more capsules at once and don't take them before or after meal, but with the meal.. If you don't have much money and you need to eat a lot of capsules. Then switch to hydrochloric acid in 3-4% concentration and take 10-20 drops in 50-100ml of water before and 10-20 drops in 50-100ml of water after meal. It is also good to add to the water some potassium chloride(sodium is in the meal). It is much cheaper. Here in CZ I can buy like 1L of hydrochloric acid in 3,5% concentration for maybe 4 euro. It is enough acid for like 6 months at least of heavy dosage.. The only pain in the ass is that hydrochloric acid is not good for teeth. So I am drinking it with the straw..

 

[HerrFisch]

But I have tendency to low blood pressure, dehydration etc.. So I hope that the potassium will not drop my sodium to low or I will collapse lol.

No worries, I have low blood pressure as well and potassium did not lower it further.

If you don't have much money and you need to eat a lot of capsules

Betain HCL powder is very cheap as well. ~20 dollar for 1kg (equals to 1660 capsules)

You should take betaine capsule after couple of bites of food.

Thats actually really important. And capsules need time and maybe even little amounts of stomach acid to dissolve, so powder or Hydrochloric acid might be better. So it could be too late if you take them after food.

 

[Yura]

Btw I don't see any reason why to drink protein shake with the meal which contains some meat or eggs or any type of protein? It doesn't makes sense at all to be honest.. If your digestion is very bad and your stomach acid is very low. You should eat less meat and eat more easy to digest protein sources like eggs or whey protein. So you can have whey protein shake with minerals and betaine capsules and on the plate some rice with spinach for example. But you don't need meat in this meal.. If your digestion is not so bad and you can digest some meat. Than you should eat meat when you can eat slowly and without stress. So at home for the dinner etc. and protein shake is ideal meal replacement when you are in the hurry or under stress etc. in the work or outside somewhere.. So for example some meat/seafood/eggs at home for breakfast/dinner and protein shakes with some carbs in the work or when you have no time to relax and digest.. But taking whey protein shake with the meat meal? No reason for this..

 

[Chapman]

@Yura ok thanks. My digestion is bad, I was previously on ppi meds (omeprazole) due to reflux issues, turned out I had h. Pylori infection. I suffer with bad reflux still so hopefully this should help.

 

[Chapman]

Do you not find hcl powder burns your throat/ oesophagus?

 

[Yura]

Do you not find hcl powder burns your throat/ oesophagus?

Powder (betaine) is ingested by capsules. I am taking hydrochloric acid which is fluid and I use drops into the water. 15 drops in 50ml of(hard tap water) tastes like very diluted lemonade. You drink the water with HCL and than you follow with sip of plain water to wash it down. So in your case I would recommend hydrochloric acid and use dropper for dosage. But be careful which concentration you will have. 3-4% concentration is the best and very safe. 10 or even 30% is no joke and you can burn your pipes.. I am a week on 120 drops a day and I feel really strong detox.. Hopefully I will report some major improvements very soon..

 

[Orion]

You need to read something about hydrochloric acid therapy. You need potassium to make hydrochloric acid and yes 5000mg of potassium a day is very hard to obtain from the diet for avarage people.. Chlorid is not a problem because people are eating a lot of sodium chloride.. I will start with potassium chloride today for the first time. So I am curious what will happend. But I have tendency to low blood pressure, dehydration etc.. So I hope that the potassium will not drop my sodium to low or I will collapse lol.

mattyb explains it better here: Ulcerative Colitis / IBD