Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[Helen]

I honestly dont get the tone sometimes, like i am a troll making stuff up.
The test group had 18 members to test, 22 in total that watched/discussed, not 5. Most people tried it alot longer than a week.
I have read many logs, the ella/RU logs have very little to do with your protocol post in general. Some other are doing better, like iHatefin, but he is doing other stuff, like R-andro as well. Definately not solely the electrolytes protocol at least.
There are so many hairtests posted on this forum, which have one thing in commen, a question what to do next, as they dont know and apparently dont get official follow-up. Having a critical note about the real results of hair tests is only fair.

Again, i am not saying this to agitate people, but i dont see it as read protocol - get cured.

5 people tried the electrolytes, not 22. None of those people were part of that trial. list was long that Tubzy created, but not many participated. people who tried this were wuf, health, barbar. admiral, and a few more. I was in the private thread I saw the messages. They tried electrolytes with HCL only. It was a trial setup by Tubzy. that had nothing to do with this protocol. It was a trial to try things that helped Tubzy.
If people get hairtest without a program. They are stupid. And stupid is as stupid does. If you are stupid, you dont get cured. That is the bottom line.

I gave you the logs of people who are doing better. it is not only about electrolyte protocol, some are doing better on r andro, ru ella and getting cured. Some are doing ARL and electrolytes and getting cured. ( raincoast, herrfish, scenes, tubzy march orion )

People can post all the hairtests they want. I am not going thru them. I told that 10000 times already. Go get a program from ARL and take it.

this protocol says exactly that, read first page.

this is just getting ridiculous. If people get random hairtests and asking for interpretation from me , it is their problem, since this protocol SAYS go get a program from ARL on the first page.

And to me , yes , you are making stuff up. I keep telling you that you are making the stuff up and you still continue to make stuff up.

I said to you multiple times. The trial that Tubzy setup had nothing to do with this protocol. It was just HCL with magnesium and potassium. IT IS NOT THIS PROTOCOL. WHERE do you see HCL with magnesium and potassium on the first page of this protocol. WHERE? It has 10 different things in it. including getting a program from ARL.
Also that trial had only a few people. like 5-6 people. Discussing it in that thread.

Protocol is outlined on the first page. SO please tell me who took it and who did not get cured.
So far who ever took it GOT cured.

Bottom line. I created this protocol and wrote everything out on the first page of this thread. And you keep telling me about some people posting hairtests. WHERE DOES IT SAY in the protocol posted on the first page of this thread to get a hairtest and ask me for the interpretation. WHERE?
SO you are making stuff up. I have no idea why you are doing this and wasting my time.

I personally tell you the logs of people who are trying to follow the protocol and you are comging back to me with people posting random hairtests and asking for advice. Do you have an agenda or something. @TubZy since I keep telling you how it is and trying to help you , but you are telling me the opposite things.

 

[barbaar]

Look what is coming out of my bladder. If somebody is wondering if the hydrochloric acid really cleanse the lymphatic system(but not just lymphatic system) from waste products. No wonder that I felt like shit when I started with hydrochloric acid. The first few of days were worst..

Dude ewwwww what is that ?!

 

[Helen]

@TubZy can you please clear this situation. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Yura]

Dude ewwwww what is that ?!

Hydrochloric acid will clean everything from the body even mineral deposits, but this guy looks like some type of fungus from lymphatic system..

 

[HerrFisch]

There are so many hairtests posted on this forum, which have one thing in commen, a question what to do next, as they dont know and apparently dont get official follow-up. Having a critical note about the real results of hair tests is only fair.

Why no try it and see for yourself?
Ask people if they think their hair test was a waste of money.

To be honest, I did not follow TEI suggestions. But maybe I should have.
I now know pretty much what I need to do. But it took some time and I realized that the TEI suggestions are not too far off from what Im using now.
So if you dont want to struggle... you know what to do.

You wont succed with asking other PFS, PSSD people what they were helped from. You need to make it fit for yourself. But basics are in the protocol.

 

[Slayo]

Get an ARL program and follow it. Or you can follow TE program. YOu cant just buy random stuff and take it.

Are TEI suggestions as good as ARL ones ? I ask because TEI is very cheap and they test much more minerals than ARL

 

[Helen]

Why no try it and see for yourself?
Ask people if they think their hair test was a waste of money.

To be honest, I did not follow TEI suggestions. But maybe I should have.
I now know pretty much what I need to do. But it took some time and I realized that the TEI suggestions are not too far off from what Im using now.
So if you dont want to struggle... you know what to do.

You wont succed with asking other PFS, PSSD people what they were helped from. You need to make it fit for yourself. But basics are in the protocol.

Herrfish, this guy is hard to please, he thinks I am going to sit on this forum and go thru hairtests .. Some person can just post his hairtest and boom, I will be right there interpreting it for him. He probably did not even read the first post in this thread.
I don't know may be we should simplify the first post and make the program for dummies like you suggested.

 

[Helen]

Are TEI suggestions as good as ARL ones ? I ask because TEI is very cheap and they test much more minerals than ARL

Some do better on ARL, some do better on TEI. TEI is the same price I thought. I personally like ARL better. but I did see some people do better on TEI and some people do better with ARL

 

[supernature]

Hydrochloric acid will clean everything from the body even mineral deposits, but this guy looks like some type of fungus from lymphatic system..

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[Yura]

no change in color of urine.

 

[supernature]

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[Helen]

@Jaxx Sir, I honestly want to help as many people as I can. But it is impossible to go thru all hairtests , I am not a computer, and I simply dont' have time for it. I did help many people interpret their tests without ARL's advice at first, but then I said that I cant do it , it is too overwhelming and I have zero time for that. This is why I created this protocol. And on the first page of this protocol it says to get a test and a program from ARL.

So I have no idea why you are telling me about some people posting their hairtests and asking for advice. I helped some at first, but then I said that I won't be doing that anymore. Some that I helped now know a lot more about and can help others. This is why I mentioned their logs to you.

I think it is very rude and unfair for you to keep going circles with me and totally disregarding the information that I am giving you. If you know better, proceed how you know. If you are under impression that this protocol did not help anyone , then be it. Only people keep writing to you that it did but you disregard their messages also.

There a many protocols on this forum also not just electrolytes protocol with ARL. Others are fasting, RU cycles, Ella, progesterone. etc. Clomid protocol was for one case. and if you read my messages it was not clomid protocol only , it was 10 protocols for 2 different cases. Scenes used one of them and got cured first on this forum from PFS. Those protocols are all in Tubzy's signature.
If you fail to navigate this forum, you can always ask Tubzy. But reading random questions and some people asking for advice and making your conclusions are not valid. This protocol covers all the info you need to know. If you fail to make sense of this protocol and dont know what to do , you can contact people from the logs that I mentioned to you. or Tubzy. And I am sure they will be willing to help you.

If you look at the first post of this thread you can clearly see the message written right in the beginning in the BOLD style which says the following:

"THIS IS A PROGRAM which is not specific .To see which cofactors you need I strongly advise you get a hairtest and a program, especially for people who have little experience with balancing or minerals since taking minerals can move your body chemistry very fast in different directions and if you don't understand what you are doing. It could be dangerous."


I hope it clears everything up for you , and I hope you understand that I tried to include everything you needed to know and the how to proceed in the first post.

 

[Yura]

"no change in color of urine."

Only change in frequency and consistency of bowel movements ?

When I started with hydrochloric acid I had painful diarrhea. Now it is normal. Just once a day..

 

[Goose12]

I honestly dont get the tone sometimes, like i am a troll making stuff up.
The test group had 18 members to test, 22 in total that watched/discussed, not 5. Most people tried it alot longer than a week.
I have read many logs, the ella/RU logs have very little to do with your protocol post in general. Some other are doing better, like iHatefin, but he is doing other stuff, like R-andro as well. Definately not solely the electrolytes protocol at least.
There are so many hairtests posted on this forum, which have one thing in commen, a question what to do next, as they dont know and apparently dont get official follow-up. Having a critical note about the real results of hair tests is only fair.

Again, i am not saying this to agitate people, but i dont see it as read protocol - get cured.

@Jaxx everyone @gbolduev gbollisted are doing the same thing but just coming at it from different angles.

RU and ella are hitting pfs upstream at the hormones. Zinc finger and hair test are working on it through minerals which are the precursors to hormones. Electrolyte protocol works at it from the gut, getting stimach acid up so we can absorb protein and minerals. Anything else that is mentioned fits in somewhere between the things I mentioned.

Here is another good thread to read that explains how pfs ( and possibly pss) works.
FINASTERIDE: PFS MECHANISM (detailed)

It's also becoming obvious to everyone that the quickest way out if this is a hair test with recs, and follow the protocol outlined to get balanced.

 

[Jaxx]

Herrfish, this guy is hard to please, he thinks I am going to sit on this forum and go thru hairtests .. Some person can just post his hairtest and boom, I will be right there interpreting it for him. He probably did not even read the first post in this thread.
I don't know may be we should simplify the first post and make the program for dummies like you suggested.

I never said you were responsible for going over the hairtests, saying i never read the first post is just

@Jaxx Sir, I honestly want to help as many people as I can. But it is impossible to go thru all hairtests , I am not a computer, and I simply dont' have time for it. I did help many people interpret their tests without ARL's advice at first, but then I said that I cant do it , it is too overwhelming and I have zero time for that. This is why I created this protocol. And on the first page of this protocol it says to get a test and a program from ARL.

So I have no idea why you are telling me about some people posting their hairtests and asking for advice. I helped some at first, but then I said that I won't be doing that anymore. Some that I helped now know a lot more about and can help others. This is why I mentioned their logs to you.

I think it is very rude and unfair for you to keep going circles with me and totally disregarding the information that I am giving you. If you know better, proceed how you know. If you are under impression that this protocol did not help anyone , then be it. Only people keep writing to you that it did but you disregard their messages also.

There a many protocols on this forum also not just electrolytes protocol with ARL. Others are fasting, RU cycles, Ella, progesterone. etc. Clomid protocol was for one case. and if you read my messages it was not clomid protocol only , it was 10 protocols for 2 different cases. Scenes used one of them and got cured first on this forum from PFS. Those protocols are all in Tubzy's signature.
If you fail to navigate this forum, you can always ask Tubzy. But reading random questions and some people asking for advice and making your conclusions are not valid. This protocol covers all the info you need to know. If you fail to make sense of this protocol and dont know what to do , you can contact people from the logs that I mentioned to you. or Tubzy. And I am sure they will be willing to help you.

Buddy, i already stated that i dont expect that you can help everyone. You are doing this in your fee time which in general is well appreciated by the entire forum community.
Having said that, I dont feel i am disregarding things you say, but i dont always agree with them. Being able to say that on a forum is only healthy for discussion.

I have been following your posts since RayPeat, and i have spoken with Tubzy on several occasions. This is not a random hate post, but to signal that there are many people here that are stuck in their progress and ideas what to do.
I personally have tried zinc finger + Scene's protocol. Thing is that it is difficult to understand why it did not work. Maybe my situation is slghtly different (most likely), It is difficult to pinpoint what the differences are and what to do. Getting guidance/inspiration from the "cured cases" so-far, to see what protocol to try etc. did not do much.

I understand that the "foolproof route" might be the ARL test, but like i said, the follow up so-far by the professionals seems to be lacking in several cases.
I saw your post yesterday that this should not be the case, and there should be a standardized follow-up in all cases. I really hope thats the case, and it will help some people in the future. To be seen i guess.

This is not me trying to be right, i very much hope you prove me wrong.

 

[Helen]

I never said you were responsible for going over the hairtests, saying i never read the first post is just


Buddy, i already stated that i dont expect that you can help everyone. You are doing this in your fee time which in general is well appreciated by the entire forum community.
Having said that, I dont feel i am disregarding things you say, but i dont always agree with them. Being able to say that on a forum is only healthy for discussion.

I have been following your posts since RayPeat, and i have spoken with Tubzy on several occasions. This is not a random hate post, but to signal that there are many people here that are stuck in their progress and ideas what to do.
I personally have tried zinc finger + Scene's protocol. Thing is that it is difficult to understand why it did not work. Maybe my situation is slghtly different (most likely), It is difficult to pinpoint what the differences are and what to do. Getting guidance/inspiration from the "cured cases" so-far, to see what protocol to try etc. did not do much.

I understand that the "foolproof route" might be the ARL test, but like i said, the follow up so-far by the professionals seems to be lacking in several cases.
I saw your post yesterday that this should not be the case, and there should be a standardized follow-up in all cases. I really hope thats the case, and it will help some people in the future. To be seen i guess.

This is not me trying to be right, i very much hope you prove me wrong.

@Jaxx Please read the first page of this thread again. It is quite amazing for me to hear that it is not clear enough what to do on that page. I added even a practitioner 's name now that I know there so people can go thru someone who is sane. It was a suprise to me that some people cant even get a program from ARL correctly. I

But just read the first sentence of the thread "THIS IS A PROGRAM which is not specific .To see which cofactors you need I strongly advise you get a hairtest and a program, especially for people who have little experience with balancing or minerals since taking minerals can move your body chemistry very fast in different directions and if you don't understand what you are doing. It could be dangerous."

I put this right in the beginning of this protocol. If people fail to read , I can't help them

If people dont ask for a program and just get a hairtest, it is simply stupid. I have no idea what they expect. And no not many are stuck on this forum. Most know what to do. The stuck ones are the stubborn people who don't follow what is written on the first page of this protocol. or new people like sanka, admiral, yura etc. those people are the minority and those posts you will always see , since those who got it dont ask any more questions. You will always see people stuck and always going to see people who are trying to figure it out.

I am sorry that Scenes protocol did not work for you. I made that protocol specifically for him . he did not even get a hairtest, I just guessed his body chemistry from the conversations over skype with him. and he had PFS not PSSD. I mentioned what I thought about PSSD and that serotonin receptors are based on manganese and magnesium. ARL will fix it for you in a month or 2. It is drug related simple imbalance. It is not even worthy of being researched IMO

I did not tell you to go and follow exact programs of people who got cured, I told you you can go to those logs and ask those people the procedure how they did it. And they would help you and I guess outline the main points of this protocol and how to proceed exactly

The follow up by professionals are missing from ARL?. I don't get that statement. there are no professionals, you either get a computer generated program or you dont. All those professional do is pass it over to you. So either you pay for the program or you just pay for a hairtest. Some just pay for a hairtest and dont even ask for a program. And you see those people put out their hairtests in hope someone will help them. ARL does not have professionals, ARL works with doctors and practitioners. All those people do is physically take ARL's computer generated program and pass over to you. They know nothing about the program. they are not capable to give advice, THEY ARE WORTHLESS. The only thing the practitioner is good for is to support you during detox times, since ARL is not an easy program to take if you are sick. It will turn you inside out, and it will not care how you feel in the moment. It is not created to make you feel better, It is created to rebuild you. and sometimes you need to be broken to be rebuilt.

 

[Jaxx]

@Jaxx Please read the first page of this thread again. It is quite amazing for me to hear that it is not clear enough what to do on that page. I added even a practitioner 's name now that I know there so people can go thru someone who is sane. It was a suprise to me that some people cant even get a program from ARL correctly. I

But just read the first sentence of the thread "THIS IS A PROGRAM which is not specific .To see which cofactors you need I strongly advise you get a hairtest and a program, especially for people who have little experience with balancing or minerals since taking minerals can move your body chemistry very fast in different directions and if you don't understand what you are doing. It could be dangerous."

I put this right in the beginning of this protocol. If people fail to read , I can't help them

If people dont ask for a program and just get a hairtest, it is simply stupid. I have no idea what they expect. And no not many are stuck on this forum. Most know what to do. The stuck ones are the stubborn people who don't follow what is written on the first page of this protocol. or new people like sanka, admiral, yura etc. those people are the minority and those posts you will always see , since those who got it dont ask any more questions. You will always see people stuck and always going to see people who are trying to figure it out.

I am sorry that Scenes protocol did not work for you. I made that protocol specifically for him . he did not even get a hairtest, I just guessed his body chemistry from the conversations over skype with him. and he had PFS not PSSD. I mentioned what I thought about PSSD and that serotonin receptors are based on manganese and magnesium. ARL will fix it for you in a month or 2. It is drug related simple imbalance. It is not even worthy of being researched IMO

I am man enough to apologize if the ARL program will cure @barbaar within 1-2 months, but until then i remain sceptical. The tests that people were getting without feedback was useless however, i hope you can agree on that.
And yeah i realize that the Scenes protocol wasnt designed for PSSD, but it was suggested to try anyway, so i did. For now i put my money on Levonorgestrel, biggest issue for me is that the benefits dont stick, not that there is no impact. ( with SJW, muira puama, ella to less extent)

 

[Helen]

I am man enough to apologize if the ARL program will cure @barbaar within 1-2 months, but until then i remain sceptical. The tests that people were getting without feedback was useless however, i hope you can agree on that.
And yeah i realize that the Scenes protocol wasnt designed for PSSD, but it was suggested to try anyway, so i did. For now i put my money on Levonorgestrel, biggest issue for me is that the benefits dont stick, not that there is no impact. ( with SJW, muira puama, ella to less extent)

Electrolytes protocol is made for GENERAL HEALTH , it is not specific, it includes diet and electrolytes. It says it on the first page.

For PSSD, PFS specifally I said RU or progesterone. from the day ONE and then I said that ARL can do the same with minerals.

No one told people to get these tests, that is the point I am telling you. read the first page. if some people got stupid hairtest with no program, they are dumb idiots. What can I tell you. If the protocol says to get a program, but you dont. you are not following a protocol.
Progesterone RU and Ella are part of the protocols that I suggested, You can try and take them.Levonorgestrel is progesterone, which is exactly my rec.

As I said, I did not deal with PSSD cases. I have no idea why you look at other peoples cases, if I specifically said that PSSD is different from PFS. and I mentioned what I thought about it. ( mangesium and manganese) All the cases here are PFS, and I did not deal with one PSSD case. I have no idea if it would work for PSSD. I mean zinc finger etc.

First case for PSSD is barbar. who I took over just recently , and he is trying somethings.

Which exact protocol did you try, zinc finger? what did you take?

 

[barbaar]

I am man enough to apologize if the ARL program will cure @barbaar within 1-2 months, but until then i remain sceptical. The tests that people were getting without feedback was useless however, i hope you can agree on that.
And yeah i realize that the Scenes protocol wasnt designed for PSSD, but it was suggested to try anyway, so i did. For now i put my money on Levonorgestrel, biggest issue for me is that the benefits dont stick, not that there is no impact. ( with SJW, muira puama, ella to less extent)

Fingers crossed

People getting their tests back without further advice on what to do is in no way gbols fault though. I guess some "practitioners" just want to do everything they can to get the most $$$ out of you. Now that we know that, we can avoid those. We have a known good one, Catherine. If in doubt everyone should just go to her.

Do keep us updated on how the levonorgestrel goes. Someone on PSSDforum got cured doing that so who knows, maybe you won't even need to get a hairtest anymore.

 

[Helen]

Fingers crossed

People getting their tests back without further advice on what to do is in no way gbols fault though. I guess some "practitioners" just want to do everything they can to get the most $$$ out of you. Now that we know that, we can avoid those. We have a known good one, Catherine. If in doubt everyone should just go to her.

Do keep us updated on how the levonorgestrel goes. Someone on PSSDforum got cured doing that so who knows, maybe you won't even need to get a hairtest anymore.

progesterone was suggested in my orignal 10 protocols. I said RU or progesterone. levonorgestrel is just progesterone

I simplified protocols and said to try either RU or progesterone. And people without trying them go on zinc fingers etc.