MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

[Allen]

@Allen Can you please complicate things even more? You need PET bottle from coca cola, citric acid, elemental magnesium rod and urine test tube or any kind of test tube (glass or plastic with the lid that will fit into the hole of coca cola PET bottle) How hard is that? This is the process like chemistry class for 8 yo kids.. It can't be any more simple and the result is better than 1000$ machines. + the pressure from the process can easily burst (if you add to much acid) even 500ml coca cola PET bottle. Which can hold like 10 times more pressure than beer bottle. Good luck with exploded glass into every direction... LOL

Thank you for your response. I would find a gas method more convenient because it would be on-demand not something I have to make ahead of time. Have you used a SodaStream? Psstt and you've charged a bottle of water. There are commercial vending machine water chargers in Japan that use hydrogen gas. They are expensive and I thought a SodaStream might be an inexpensive launching off point. I also suspect that method would give better, more consistent results.

I'm also thinking about doing that widely disseminated test tube method. Of course, following the steps is simple but there are variables that effect ppm concentrations. While, as you point out, anyone can follow the simple steps, we don't have the experience or equipment. I could use a reagent to test, but, I found that experience counts--I think we've all had the experience of messing up a simple food recipe!

At the very least, I'd use the reagent to test--there are going to be variables, such as temperature. Have you done that?

Even with direct gas to water (pressurized), I'd have the question of ppm. I'd like an electronic meter but the cost stops me. $449.95 here:
Trustlex Molecular Hydrogen H2 Meter

Reagent $24.95
H2 Sciences Inc. About H2Blue

(I wonder what's going on in someone's life when they need to try to demean someone. I'd be happy to listen to your story but that's not what this thread is about.)

 

[TubZy]

Did you buy the 2k one??

Yeah

 

[Yura]

" I also suspect that method would give better, more consistent results."
"I'm also thinking about doing that widely disseminated test tube method. Of course, following the steps is simple but there are variables that effect ppm concentrations. "

Those stupid blue drops for measuring ppm concentration are on the way and I hope that they will be here soon. Then I can say for sure how much is in it. But I have no idea what you talking about in terms of inconsistent results? I am making the water 3-4 times a day. It takes like 2 minutes literally and the results is the same all the time. You can't have different results when you are using same amount of ingredients all the time. The only thing that can mess with the result is hydrogen leakage from the bottle. Your famous soda stream bottles are useless. I bought one and the lid can't hold the pressure.. Only the cheap and humble coca cola PET bottle can hold the pressure with zero issues. Also this "test tube in the bottle" method is not something "widely recognized" Actually if there is like 100 people who are doing this world wide that is maybe to much LOL.. You can do what you want. Buying 2000$ machine or tablets which is like 5$ for one bottle or something. But we are trying to make it simple so that everyone can make it yourself very easy and inexpensive. Otherwise nobody will do it.

 

[Ben123]

" I also suspect that method would give better, more consistent results."
"I'm also thinking about doing that widely disseminated test tube method. Of course, following the steps is simple but there are variables that effect ppm concentrations. "

Those stupid blue drops for measuring ppm concentration are on the way and I hope that they will be here soon. Then I can say for sure how much is in it. But I have no idea what you talking about in terms of inconsistent results? I am making the water 3-4 times a day. It takes like 2 minutes literally and the results is the same all the time. You can't have different results when you are using same amount of ingredients all the time. The only thing that can mess with the result is hydrogen leakage from the bottle. Your famous soda stream bottles are useless. I bought one and the lid can't hold the pressure.. Only the cheap and humble coca cola PET bottle can hold the pressure with zero issues. Also this "test tube in the bottle" method is not something "widely recognized" Actually if there is like 100 people who are doing this world wide that is maybe to much LOL.. You can do what you want. Buying 2000$ machine or tablets which is like 5$ for one bottle or something. But we are trying to make it simple so that everyone can make it yourself very easy and inexpensive. Otherwise nobody will do it.

do u use same magnesium rod and same test tube over and over again?

 

[Yura]

I change the tube and the bottle like once a week(Bottle needs to be changed, but test tube doesn't show any sign of damage or what. But I change the tube anyway, because it's plastic and it's cheap..). On the page 7 you have a photo of rods and pieces that fit into the test tube. Each reaction with 1g of citric acid will "consume" like 500mg from the rod. So the piece is getting smaller and smaller. When is to small I use more smaller once into the tube until they just melt..

 

[Ben123]

I change the tube and the bottle like once a week. On the page 7 you have a photo rods and pieces that fit into the test tube. Each reaction with 1g of citric acid will "consume" like 500mg from the rod. So the piece is getting smaller and smaller. When is to small I use more smaller once into the tube until they just melt..

cant wait to see how strong it actually is. funny if its something crazy like 50 ppms while others have bought a god damn 2k machine and get 1 ppms tops

 

[Ben123]

H2 Magnesium Rod
this guy claims he got 77 ppms over night without test tube

 

[Yura]

cant wait to see how strong it actually is. funny if its something crazy like 50 ppms while others have bought a god damn 2k machine and get 1 ppms tops

heh I think that 3-5 ppm is possible...

 

[Yura]

H2 Magnesium Rod
this guy claims he got 77 ppms over night without test tube

"I get 10ppms in a matter of hours"
bullshit..

 

[Allen]

Already threw this idea around earlier, but after extensive internet searches, it seems the threads of a soda stream nozzle don't match those of hydrogen tanks for industrial use. And I wasn't able to find any kind of adapter that would work either. It's almost like they don't want us using pressurized hydrogen for personal experiments... Go figure lol

I guess it's still possible with a custom machined adapter, but it just gets to be too much of a pain in the ass at that point.

It doesn't have to be custom (super-expensive) adapters (around $100) are widely available. Many conversion kits to let you attach a SodaStream proprietary connector to a CGA connector. I agree on the hassle part though and without a meter to test, I'd wonder about the results. I suppose, whatever I do, I'll at least want to test with the H2 reagent. I was just hoping someone with more chemistry experience (and the testing equipment) would latch on to the idea and lead the way for us

sodastreamhack

https://www.amazon.ca/External-Cga-...pID=41Eq49pP5zL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 

[Allen]

" I also suspect that method would give better, more consistent results."
"I'm also thinking about doing that widely disseminated test tube method. Of course, following the steps is simple but there are variables that effect ppm concentrations. "

Those stupid blue drops for measuring ppm concentration are on the way and I hope that they will be here soon. Then I can say for sure how much is in it. But I have no idea what you talking about in terms of inconsistent results? I am making the water 3-4 times a day. It takes like 2 minutes literally and the results is the same all the time. You can't have different results when you are using same amount of ingredients all the time. The only thing that can mess with the result is hydrogen leakage from the bottle. Your famous soda stream bottles are useless. I bought one and the lid can't hold the pressure.. Only the cheap and humble coca cola PET bottle can hold the pressure with zero issues. Also this "test tube in the bottle" method is not something "widely recognized" Actually if there is like 100 people who are doing this world wide that is maybe to much LOL.. You can do what you want. Buying 2000$ machine or tablets which is like 5$ for one bottle or something. But we are trying to make it simple so that everyone can make it yourself very easy and inexpensive. Otherwise nobody will do it.

I look forward to your reagent test results. I'm not a chemist, I just read comments from people doing this and they claim that temperature is a variable. Some people claim you have to put it in the freezer, some people use hot water. Time is another variable.

I see bubbles so I know hydrogen is produced. (My only previous experience is when some friends and I made hydrogen with aluminum foil and drain cleaner in a bottle and put a balloon over the top, then attached a fuse to the balloon and lit it. It floated up about 30-40 feet and FOOOOMMM! Oh, the humanity!)

 

[Yura]

I look forward to your reagent test results. I'm not a chemist, I just read comments from people doing this and they claim that temperature is a variable. Some people claim you have to put it in the freezer, some people use hot water. Time is another variable.

I see bubbles so I know hydrogen is produced. (My only previous experience is when some friends and I made hydrogen with aluminum foil and drain cleaner in a bottle and put a balloon over the top, then attached a fuse to the balloon and lit it. It floated up about 30-40 feet and FOOOOMMM! Oh, the humanity!)

I should also try using only a test tube and an inflatable balloon to catch the hydrogen for inhalation.. This should work also very well.. I will get much more hydrogen this way actually..

 

[Niles]

It doesn't have to be custom (super-expensive) adapters (around $100) are widely available. Many conversion kits to let you attach a SodaStream proprietary connector to a CGA connector. I agree on the hassle part though and without a meter to test, I'd wonder about the results. I suppose, whatever I do, I'll at least want to test with the H2 reagent. I was just hoping someone with more chemistry experience (and the testing equipment) would latch on to the idea and lead the way for us

sodastreamhack

https://www.amazon.ca/External-Cga-...pID=41Eq49pP5zL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I've seen that adapter before, and I had high hopes as well, but that's for a gauge commonly seen in co2 tanks. Hydrogen tanks have a different cga gauge from what I've seen, likely to deter random people on the internet from experimenting with a compressed highly-flammable gas.

 

[Snow1]

Yeah

Nice one dude, so curious to see what you make of it once you start using it, it’s a lot of cash to burn. You can’t put a price tag on health tho and for that price I’m sure it will give you some results - if not helping your PFS at least in some other areas.

 

[Yura]

why would it be bullshit?

Because the reaction with just mag rod in the water without any acid produces hydrogen very slowly?

 

[Allen]

I've seen that adapter before, and I had high hopes as well, but that's for a gauge commonly seen in co2 tanks. Hydrogen tanks have a different cga gauge from what I've seen, likely to deter random people on the internet from experimenting with a compressed highly-flammable gas.

Thanks. I did not know that. I am having trouble even finding a tank of hydrogen and prices on hydrogen. Then, there is the problem of purity. I don't know what category of purity one should have or if it's important for this purpose.

 

[Yura]

how do u know when u never measured it?

Omg but you can see how much is the bottle filled with the gas. It is nowhere near to the test tube method. If his claims are true then all the machines would produce at least 10 ppm as well LOL.. On page 2 is a video of old guy doing it with 5 rods in one bottle + acid and has 3ppm. So just use your common sense..

 

[Snow1]

Wonder if this one would be any good... we can get this in Australia.

UltraStream Benchtop - Hydrogen Rich Water Ioniser - AlkaWay Australia

 

[Potion]

I just spent a while making hydrogen gas. The experiments were constructed using what I had at hand.

I found that 2 grams of aluminum foil rolled into a ball and mixed with a solution of 1 gram of sodium hydroxide dissolved in 20mL of distilled water made a fair amount of gas for about ten minutes; the lot was held in a 60mL syringe. Hydrogenated nature of the gas was confirmed by ignition.

I spent some time breathing this gas through a standard nasal canula, then made a new batch and injected subcutaneously into the abdomen what was produced over about ten minutes. The gas yet abides in the subcutaneous space this thirty minutes later.

Some things I learned:
There are three phases to the reaction process (the surface area of the foil and the concentration of the lye:water mixture controls the length and strength of these phases):

1. Clouding phase - when the liquid first contacts the aluminum, the solution will cloud with tiny bubbles. Heat manifests with hydrogen gas.
2. Turbulent phase - the water will darken with Al(OH)3, heat will increase, and abundant hydrogen will express. The water will foam with vigor: be mindful that the foam and Al(OH)3 don't creep into the tubing. The gas at this stage will be very hot.
3. Exhaustion phase - by this time, much of the pure aluminum has been exhausted in creating Al(OH)3, heat, and hydrogen gas. A stronger solution will translate all of the pure aluminum. The heat and gas production will diminish. Party's over.

Can't say I felt much. The gas feels mildly acidic and reminds me of carbon dioxide.

 

[Potion]

It's been about eighteen hours since the experiment, and I'd say about a quarter of the gas is still under the skin.