RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)

[IHateFin]

Yo @Jack17 with such drastic improvement you thinking about getting some bloods to see what's changing? I know plasma hormone levels don't mean too much with PFS but I would be interested to see how your hpta is affected by the ella.

Your recovery is pretty badass and it seems Ella gave you the nudge that prog n ru couldn't quite give you and snowball effect rolling! Haha nice!
I have some Ella and as you may know from my log I have been experiementing with estrogenic herbs, 4andro and Randro estrogen cream and enclomid which has helped a shit ton, but I'm hoping hitting prog directly again will do me in

 

[Minime]

So what actually happened was that I was getting a pretty reasonable benefit from taking progesterone topically for about 7 days then off for 2-4 days and somtimes taking RU between progesterone cycles but then ( you can read in my posts) while on progesterone the benefit started fading and I was frustrated as I didn't know why it was not working anymore. This damn thing is so frustrating to begin with! Anyway I thought I was taking progesterone too long or the off time wasn't long enough so in frustration I stopped everything. After one week I decided to take Ella not for any particular reason as I could have easily just took RU again. Anyway, after about 4 days I noticed a slow but continued improvement. I think I have documented this above. I'd really encourage other guys to try this protocol.
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@Jack17 Sorry if this has already been disclosed but did you have any other sides (such as shrinkage or brain fog, etc) before starting this protocol? I’ve been thinking about trying RU for a while now but my high estrogen levels has me concerned. Were your labs good going into this protocol or did you have certain labs outside of range? So happy this is working for you! I hope the benefits stick for you!

 

[IHateFin]

@Jack17 Sorry if this has already been disclosed but did you have any other sides (such as shrinkage or brain fog, etc) before starting this protocol? I’ve been thinking about trying RU for a while now but my high estrogen levels has me concerned. Were your labs good going into this protocol or did you have certain labs outside of range? So happy this is working for you! I hope the benefits stick for you!

If you have high estrogen rn you should consider high dose Randro cycles first. After a few of these I responded to Randro better and ru486 better too.

 

[Snow1]

I’m legit impotent from hydrogen water/ detox protocol @Jack17 ...got another 10 days of this stuff.

Refreshing having in the back of my mind if I need something bad eventually I have this protocol that worked for me. On two seperate occasions.

The guys that have primarily sexual issues should really attempt this in my POV.

You’re scaring me off investing in a hydrogen machine! Has anyone else had negative sexual sides from taking hydrogen water?

 

[Jack17]

Yo @Jack17 with such drastic improvement you thinking about getting some bloods to see what's changing? I know plasma hormone levels don't mean too much with PFS but I would be interested to see how your hpta is affected by the ella.

Your recovery is pretty badass and it seems Ella gave you the nudge that prog n ru couldn't quite give you and snowball effect rolling! Haha nice!
I have some Ella and as you may know from my log I have been experiementing with estrogenic herbs, 4andro and Randro estrogen cream and enclomid which has helped a shit ton, but I'm hoping hitting prog directly again will do me in

I hadn’t planned to get labs. I checked last year and testosterone, free testosterone were higher end of normal. Estradiol normal. I’m not exactly sure why the Ella dose helped so much. If you read my posts I was slightly depressed because the progesterone benefits dropped significantly. In slight frustration I just stopped everything. I was off progesterone for a week and I was debating trying ru or Ella and decided Ella. Not sure that’s important. Maybe the regimen should be ru off for 4-5 days then progesterone small topical dose daily for 7 days then off for 7 days the Ella for 2 days.

 

[Jack17]

@Jack17 Sorry if this has already been disclosed but did you have any other sides (such as shrinkage or brain fog, etc) before starting this protocol? I’ve been thinking about trying RU for a while now but my high estrogen levels has me concerned. Were your labs good going into this protocol or did you have certain labs outside of range? So happy this is working for you! I hope the benefits stick for you!

Thanks!
I had pretty bad anxiety initial jan 2017 when I crashed. I had some brain fog that I think improved the first time I tried progesterone May 2017. That helped mentally but no real sexual improvements. I was not really trying to control prolactin then and I think that’s important IMO , at least for me.

 

[IHateFin]

I hadn’t planned to get labs. I checked last year and testosterone, free testosterone were higher end of normal. Estradiol normal. I’m not exactly sure why the Ella dose helped so much. If you read my posts I was slightly depressed because the progesterone benefits dropped significantly. In slight frustration I just stopped everything. I was off progesterone for a week and I was debating trying ru or Ella and decided Ella. Not sure that’s important. Maybe the regimen should be ru off for 4-5 days then progesterone small topical dose daily for 7 days then off for 7 days the Ella for 2 days.

i think prog making you feel worse was possibly a sign of healing. prog shouldnt make a normal man feel good, but with pfs things that make normal men feel good make us feel bad haha but i did read into what you did and read your past posts so im all caught up. good move going with ella. i think it took RWAC 2 ella cycles to be 100%. what are your plans from here? give andother 2 day ella a shot after a few months?

 

[Jack17]

i think prog making you feel worse was possibly a sign of healing. prog shouldnt make a normal man feel good, but with pfs things that make normal men feel good make us feel bad haha but i did read into what you did and read your past posts so im all caught up. good move going with ella. i think it took RWAC 2 ella cycles to be 100%. what are your plans from here? give andother 2 day ella a shot after a few months?

I definitely am considering another round of Ella maybe in a month. For this protocol I think there may be a synergy with using progesterone and ru/Ella but not at the same time, IMO. I think it would be great if others would experiment with the protocol. If we had enough guys trying it and documenting outcomes I think we might be able to work something out to help more guys.

 

[bruschi11]

You’re scaring me off investing in a hydrogen machine! Has anyone else had negative sexual sides from taking hydrogen water?

I’m coming back sexually now while on h2 fortunately l.

 

[RuProgStack82]

@Jack
" I think it would be great if others would experiment with the protocol. If we had enough guys trying it and documenting outcomes I think we might be able to work something out to help more guys."

I will start this protocol in a few days and will report here. How should I start with ru and pro and then lla? Or can I start with lla? I´m confused.

Jack the last four days I took myo-inositol 500 mg and I´m feeling awesome mood wise but I´m afraid that inositol will have a negative effect on my libido.

A common side effect from inositol is

Libido reduction

Did you notice something libido wise when taking inositol?

 

[Snow1]

I’m coming back sexually now while on h2 fortunately l.

Awesome!!! Good news for you brother - and good news for my piece of mind before investing in the hydrofix.

Can you keep us updated with how the sexual sides keeps progressing for you on h2, especially if it goes above your original baseline before starting h2.

 

[Jack17]

@Jack
" I think it would be great if others would experiment with the protocol. If we had enough guys trying it and documenting outcomes I think we might be able to work something out to help more guys."

I will start this protocol in a few days and will report here. How should I start with ru and pro and then lla? Or can I start with lla? I´m confused.

Jack the last four days I took myo-inositol 500 mg and I´m feeling awesome mood wise but I´m afraid that inositol will have a negative effect on my libido.

A common side effect from inositol is

Libido reduction

Did you notice something libido wise when taking inositol?

I'm glad you're considering it. I don't have a particular protocol but you could follow what I did. I have particular belief about what's going on but there's no way at this point to be certain. I know I improved a lot and it's kind of a hybrid of what was described on propeciahelp. I just read somewhere that they stay off of that board bc it's so depressing. I agree!! Anyway, my current thinking about this is that finesteride is a progesterone like substance. For some reason, whether it's from stopping or just occurs, your system changes and you get stuck in a negative feedback loop and this causes a down regulation of CNS progesterone and allopregnalone and other neurohormones causing all the symptoms. By the way, recent article about Alzheimer, now some believe there is a disorder of Allopregnalone causing some of the symptoms! Shit!! So I think RU/Ella may prime your system or hormone pathway. So take either ( I probably would take RU because that is what I did RU 10mg daily for 2-3 days) This will increase prolactin and I suspect this increase interferes with the anticipated improvement. What I mean is that if you don't control prolactin from the beginning you will feel nothing or even a lot worse. And it's not about feeling better or worse on the protocol, it's the bounce back that we are after. ( I would also track your symptoms daily with some sort of scoring system like a percentage and track what you took and when you took it. It gets too confusing if you don't. (Side note: I think if I was tracking my symptoms May 2017 I probably would have continued on the progesterone regimen described by Light at the end at propecia help. But I became frustrated and stopped) So take RU and you need to take something with it. I would take Inositol and I wouldn't worry about possible decrease in libido at this point. You can also take L-dopa or even both. Wait 4-5 days after stopping and then start progesterone 5mg or less topically to scrotum (I know it's weird but it's what we do and it likely helps progesterone not accumulate in subcutaneous fat under skin so when you stop, the progesterone drops instead of leaching in your system when you are not using it) Do the progesterone 7-10 days and then stop. You can either take a 4-5 day break and do another cycle of progesterone (which maybe preferred ) or do another dose of RU. I did this for 2.5 months about and was getting good progress. At some point I'd stop everything and wait a good week and then do Ella 10mg for two days and stop and wait for bounce back.

 

[RuProgStack82]

Thanks Jack for your help! So in 2 days I will start the protocol exactly like you described.

"So take RU and you need to take something with it. I would take Inositol and I wouldn't worry about possible decrease in libido at this point."

Can you recommend a inositol dose to control prolactin?

 

[Walker]

I’m coming back sexually now while on h2 fortunately l.

I figured you would once you detoxed - that extra shit you're dealing with is what was keeping you back. Like I was saying, if anything I notice increased libido (but I am also coming from a clean baseline for the most part). This is a great sign, man.

 

[bruschi11]

I'm glad you're considering it. I don't have a particular protocol but you could follow what I did. I have particular belief about what's going on but there's no way at this point to be certain. I know I improved a lot and it's kind of a hybrid of what was described on propeciahelp. I just read somewhere that they stay off of that board bc it's so depressing. I agree!! Anyway, my current thinking about this is that finesteride is a progesterone like substance. For some reason, whether it's from stopping or just occurs, your system changes and you get stuck in a negative feedback loop and this causes a down regulation of CNS progesterone and allopregnalone and other neurohormones causing all the symptoms. By the way, recent article about Alzheimer, now some believe there is a disorder of Allopregnalone causing some of the symptoms! Shit!! So I think RU/Ella may prime your system or hormone pathway. So take either ( I probably would take RU because that is what I did RU 10mg daily for 2-3 days) This will increase prolactin and I suspect this increase interferes with the anticipated improvement. What I mean is that if you don't control prolactin from the beginning you will feel nothing or even a lot worse. And it's not about feeling better or worse on the protocol, it's the bounce back that we are after. ( I would also track your symptoms daily with some sort of scoring system like a percentage and track what you took and when you took it. It gets too confusing if you don't. (Side note: I think if I was tracking my symptoms May 2017 I probably would have continued on the progesterone regimen described by Light at the end at propecia help. But I became frustrated and stopped) So take RU and you need to take something with it. I would take Inositol and I wouldn't worry about possible decrease in libido at this point. You can also take L-dopa or even both. Wait 4-5 days after stopping and then start progesterone 5mg or less topically to scrotum (I know it's weird but it's what we do and it likely helps progesterone not accumulate in subcutaneous fat under skin so when you stop, the progesterone drops instead of leaching in your system when you are not using it) Do the progesterone 7-10 days and then stop. You can either take a 4-5 day break and do another cycle of progesterone (which maybe preferred ) or do another dose of RU. I did this for 2.5 months about and was getting good progress. At some point I'd stop everything and wait a good week and then do Ella 10mg for two days and stop and wait for bounce back.

F*cking love it.

 

[bruschi11]

I figured you would once you detoxed - that extra shit you're dealing with is what was keeping you back. Like I was saying, if anything I notice increased libido (but I am also coming from a clean baseline for the most part). This is a great sign, man.

We shall see. It started coming a tiny bit on Saturday. And has increased ever so slightly more since. It’s still very low. Like now 10% whereas I was steady at say 40% libido for a bit there and saw days of 80-90% at my best. But I have dick to brain connection again (thank goddd).

It’s part of process. But will be very interesting when I stop all this. Gonna have to be another week, ten days. I want to use more sodium theosulphate and microsilica.

Theosulphate has been making my body annihilate pathogens the nights I use it I believe. I piss greenish cloudy when I’m killing things and that’s happening. Herx entails tinnitus and minor fatigue.

Microsilica gives me a form of chemical depression that I understand is chelation. Same feeling as ARL but to a much lesser degree. Much more tolerable. I wonder if it’s just the h2 water making it so tolerable.

Also when I use these together (microsilica/Theo), it can be a little bit too much for my system. My gut has constipation problems and ugly looking stools. My brain fog gets horrible and fatigue too much. It’s the combination of chelation and herxheimer reactions.

We need to look at micro silica/ Theo as things that get toxins into your blood. Toxins are coming from liver and pathogen die off. It’s all about getting that stuff out of your body once you use these.

Hydrogen water deactivates some toxins and helps your system move other toxins out of the system. That’s why activity, sweat, saunas and overall movement are good too.

 

[Kamil]

Hey. I have progesterone cream from biovea. Does your cream have palm oil and grape seed extract ???

 

[RuProgStack82]

Is inositol strong enough to control prolactin? You said it is very important to control prolactin the whole protocol depends on it. So what do you recommend Jack?

 

[Kamil]

Take large doses of vitamin B6 and l dopa at the recommended doses or greater

 

[RuProgStack82]

What is a large dose of vit b6?