RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)

[rock]

Sounds really encouraging. How much liquorice root are you taking?

I'm taking 10 drops(Nature Answer Licorice extract) morning and afternoon. I don't think licorice alone is helping, cause I used it six months back also without much benefits. I think you need to create right conditions in your body. You can check my log for what I did.

Note: I'm not yet cured. Will keep updating.

 

[Jack17]

Caber arrives tommorrow How much should I take? Everyday 0,5 mg ?

so messing with prolactin is save? I read some horror stories about it in some PFS Forums. So I´m a bit worried to take caber.

I use caber but since we don’t know how everything works here, good to be cautious. You could try like a quarter tab once and see how it goes. You’ll only really need prolactin control with Ru and less so w Ella and prob don’t need to use caber w progesterone. May be consider L dopa.

 

[Jack17]

Update:
9 days ago I had to take a pain pill. I had to do this two months ago and I felt like my symptoms worsened bc spike in Prolactin. So I took 2 doses of Caber 1/2 tab. I think this was too much. I am thinking that I may be trying to hard with controlling Prolactin. What I mean is that I might be taking Caber too often when I might not need it. I thought taking this might have dropped my prolactin too much because my symptoms worsened significantly. So then I decided to take a small dose of Ella, as I had planned to take another dose at some point. So it took several days but by last Wednesday I had recovered to essentially my state before pain pill. I'd rate ED at 80% and libido 75%. I am rating that lower because when I think about pre PFS, I'm not close to that yet. At least I am interested and it seems like I get excited a lot easier with my wife and it doesn't feel forced at all. I still think I am significantly better over the past few months with this protocol. I haven't used progesterone in over a month.

 

[Shadow]

@Jack17 what pain pill?

 

[Jack17]

@Jack17 what pain pill?

Norco. I think I over reacted with taking too much Caber.

 

[Jack17]

Update:
I continue to feel like I’m improving. The set back 10 days ago has completely resolved.

 

[Jack17]

Who else is/has followed progesterone RU/Ella protocol??? Any updates?

 

[RuProgStack82]

Jut a quik update:

I´m on day 5 LLA Protocol

Before the cycle

Libido: 0,00 %

Day 1: Libido 50 %, Real hard Morning wood!
Day 2: Libido 100% I really thought I was normal again on this day. This was the same feeling I had when I used for the first time prog creme 2 mg. Again I thougt I was normal pre pfs. It only lasted one day! On the second day 2mg progesteron had no libido.
Day 3: Libido 80 %
Day 4: Libido 20 %
Day 5: Today No Libido at all.

I must say that after 1 month water fasting. I was cured for 2 month!. I had 100 % libido and the only thing I thought about was sex! After 2 month my libido was again at 0%.
After that I took high doses of T3 Again libido was at 100%. Again I was cured for about a month.

I took propecia for 12 years. My question is how can one single short cycle for a week or so heal the damage the drug made for 12 years?
My thought is to take lla for a month and then stop. Why only 6 days lla cycle? Why so short?

 

[Shadow]

I took propecia for 12 years. My question is how can one single short cycle for a week or so heal the damage the drug made for 12 years?

Because probably, it isnt damage, just stuck in the wrong place.

Why only 6 days lla cycle? Why so short?

Maybe even shorter cycles are better, from what we saw, we want to induce our body to get back on track, and not "treat" it with some drug.

 

[Jack17]

Jut a quik update:

I´m on day 5 LLA Protocol

Before the cycle

Libido: 0,00 %

Day 1: Libido 50 %, Real hard Morning wood!
Day 2: Libido 100% I really thought I was normal again on this day. This was the same feeling I had when I used for the first time prog creme 2 mg. Again I thougt I was normal pre pfs. It only lasted one day! On the second day 2mg progesteron had no libido.
Day 3: Libido 80 %
Day 4: Libido 20 %
Day 5: Today No Libido at all.

I must say that after 1 month water fasting. I was cured for 2 month!. I had 100 % libido and the only thing I thought about was sex! After 2 month my libido was again at 0%.
After that I took high doses of T3 Again libido was at 100%. Again I was cured for about a month.

I took propecia for 12 years. My question is how can one single short cycle for a week or so heal the damage the drug made for 12 years?
My thought is to take lla for a month and then stop. Why only 6 days lla cycle? Why so short?

Do you mean Ella? I agree that you probably only want short low dose cycle w Ella. Then wait several days. I can totally feel the bounce back at day3-5. Have you considered restarting progesterone after? So like after the 5th - 6 th day you can consider restating progesterone for 7-14 days depending on how you feel. I believe now that the mechanism here is not to treat w a drug to feel better, it is to treat then stop and look for bounce back to a normal ( more normal state). I’ve totally felt great this week. If you read above, I had a small set back two weeks ago but then took Ella 5mg and Caber ( I started caber first and think I took too much). But then about four days later I was feeling better and now pretty good libido ( not at 100% yet) and very strong erection. Morning wood essentially every morning like pre pfs. The point is don’t give up. Consider keep doing the cycling. Don’t do too much for too long. We are tryiNg to reset the system to normal.
Good luck!

 

[Ingeno]

Completed a 4 day Ella cycle with 2-4mg each day. Will report back if I notice any changes the upcoming week.

 

[RuProgStack82]

.Have you considered restarting progesterone after? So like after the 5th - 6 th day you can consider restating progesterone for 7-14 days depending on how you feel

Yes I´ll take 1-2mg Prog 6 days after the cycle for 7 days.

Update:

Day 6 Last Day of the Cycle= no libido at all
Day 7 First day after the cycle no libido at all

I wonder If it was a mistake to continue after day 2 of the cycle. Day 2 I was my old self again 100% libido and feeling awesome.

 

[Jack17]

Yes I´ll take 1-2mg Prog 6 days after the cycle for 7 days.

Update:

Day 6 Last Day of the Cycle= no libido at all
Day 7 First day after the cycle no libido at all

I wonder If it was a mistake to continue after day 2 of the cycle. Day 2 I was my old self again 100% libido and feeling awesome.

I’d stay off Ella for several days, 5-6 and then start progesterone.
Previously I used like 1-3 days but no worries. You can always do shorter course next time. The more I think about this issue, lower doses and shorter duration stuff and then waiting for bounce back is the way to go. IMO.

 

[RuProgStack82]

@ Jack
Yes I´ll start Day 6 with prog.
Day 8 and
Day 9

So three days after the cycle no change libido wise. Still no libido 0 %.

Sidenote. If the prog cycle is not succesful I´l start with prami next month.

 

[Jack17]

@ Jack
Yes I´ll start Day 6 with prog.
Day 8 and
Day 9

So three days after the cycle no change libido wise. Still no libido 0 %.

Sidenote. If the prog cycle is not succesful I´l start with prami next month.

What’s prami?

 

[Shadow]

What’s prami?

Pramipexole, a dopamine agonist

 

[Jack17]

Right... Definitely would take dopamine agonist when taking Ella. Suspect that could be the reason there was not a better response. Might want to take dose now. Suspect prolactin could still be elevated from Ella. IMO..

 

[RuProgStack82]

Jack how risky do you think is taking caber every other week concerning DAWS ?

Dopamine agonists are effective and widely used treatments for Parkinson disease (PD). However, patients on dopamine agonists may experience significant side effects which necessitate dose tapering or discontinuation. Dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome (DAWS) is a complication that affects up to 19% of PD patients who undergo a dopamine agonist taper

 

[Jaxx]

I noticed i started to sweat again after my last cycle. Anyone else had this too?

 

[Jack17]

Jack how risky do you think is taking caber every other week concerning DAWS ?

Dopamine agonists are effective and widely used treatments for Parkinson disease (PD). However, patients on dopamine agonists may experience significant side effects which necessitate dose tapering or discontinuation. Dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome (DAWS) is a complication that affects up to 19% of PD patients who undergo a dopamine agonist taper

Completely different. Parkinson’s Disease pts are using much higher dosing and for longer periods. 1/2 caber ( wouldn’t use whole tab) every other week should be of no consequence imo.