Like a good thing?? Yes I am sweating more normally now. Weird not to sweat.
RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)
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Yeah i guess so. Not talking about working out, more like sweaty odor waking up.
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Yesterday I took one pramipexole and libido is back at 60-70% but I could not sleep last night after prami.
I am sweating more too! Much more!
Something is changing I can feel it like my body the whole system is changing.
Beside no sleep it was the right decision to take prami my head is much clearer today and I´m feeling really good today.
A side note:
Something I find very strange is the use of pine pollen for me. Everytime when I take it I feel awesome like Alpha Man. Really good.mood etc. Libido is stronger than before so high, muscles fuller etc but I cannot get it hard down there under pine pollen. And its every time the same affect after taking pine pollen. THis is very strange for me my balls hurt when I don´t jack off but how can I when under pine pollen can I cannot get it hard. But only under pine pollen my balls hurt.
When I feely shitty I can get it hard strange.This PFS is such a complex illness. Mood wise and bodybuilding wise libidowise I would love to take pine pollen every day but how can I when down under nothing happend.
I am sweating more too! Much more!
Something is changing I can feel it like my body the whole system is changing.
Beside no sleep it was the right decision to take prami my head is much clearer today and I´m feeling really good today.
A side note:
Something I find very strange is the use of pine pollen for me. Everytime when I take it I feel awesome like Alpha Man. Really good.mood etc. Libido is stronger than before so high, muscles fuller etc but I cannot get it hard down there under pine pollen. And its every time the same affect after taking pine pollen. THis is very strange for me my balls hurt when I don´t jack off but how can I when under pine pollen can I cannot get it hard. But only under pine pollen my balls hurt.
When I feely shitty I can get it hard strange.This PFS is such a complex illness. Mood wise and bodybuilding wise libidowise I would love to take pine pollen every day but how can I when down under nothing happend.
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I know what mean. Something is out of balance w pine pollen for you ( and prob all of us) but not sure what it is. But remember I think our goal is to try to manipulate the system back to normal and not to take something to feel better, if you know what I mean.
Dopamine can interfere w sleep and should take earlier in the day. You may not need more if off of Ella.
Glad your doing better and finding the pathway to resolve this BS that we have.
Follow up on pine pollen. These are my thoughts: I took this before. I’ve taken Andro hard months ago. Both make you feel stronger even artificially better but the Andro hard faded. The pine pollen was not dramatic but I felt good. But sexual side effects did not improve and possibly a little worse. My point is I’m not sure for recovery this pathway will lead to resolution of our problem. I believe the better option is following the pathway on this thread (imo). The goal I believe is manipulate or reset the pathway that is messed up and stuck in this messed up state. For me, I’m not on anything right now and feeling closer to normal but don’t consider recovered yet. I think I may do low dose Ella once every several weeks to keep trying to nudge closer to normal. Remember have to take something for prolactin or will feel worse. IMO.
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I think I made a huge mistake please help me. After the cycle I took 3 table spoons pine pollen. And now for three days I cannot get him hard even on cialis. 0% Libido.
What can I do now? How can I get at least 10-20% libido back? I don´t know what to do now,
What can I do now? How can I get at least 10-20% libido back? I don´t know what to do now,
First, try not to worry. I would not take any hormone type stuff when on the ru/Ella progesterone regimen. I’m not exactly sure what happened but I know pine pollen never helped any sexual side w me and prob made it worse. I think maybe this protocol has increased prolactin and the additional pine did even more. I would either hold tight and wait a couple days until it gets out of ur system or take some L dopa for couple days.
How did you feel before taking pine pollen?
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Before pine pollen I was feeling good after taking one prami libido was at 60-70% and I thought about sex A few minutes ago I took 0,25mg caber
Why are you switching from prami to caber?
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I just want to test it if caber works differently for me. After Prami I could not sleep for 2 days! But I was feeling great under prami.
I`m thinking long term. I don´t want to get DAWS. Caber I can take once a week but prami I must take every day so the chance is much higher to get DAWS in my opinion.
That's great as far as how you were benefiting. Now you know that you really need to keep prolactin under control.
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I ask myself why not take Mucuna Pruriens or high doses of vitamin e (lowers prolactin even more than mucuna) every day-long term. What speaks against it?
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Can someone familiar with the prog cycle protocol help me to outline a regiment. I am going to purchase everything I need sometime this week, please let me know what I need, what my dose and dosing schedule should look like, and how long I should be cycling for. I am new to all of this so it is a bit confusing.
Thanks!
Thanks!
hello, i have one question, can someone explain why progesterone and not DHEA or testosterone?
i have been doing a similar protocol for my sort of pssd problem and it has worked, but i have been using and alternating daily low dose pregnenolone (10mg), dhea(15mg) and testosterone(2.5mg) (meaning i took only one of the tree each day)
the last week was dhea only, and the week after i took no exogenous hormones and i had a remission window with strong morning erections each day for about 8-9 days. i also did not masturbate or watch porn.
when i got home i jacked off and it was fantasatic. much improved sensitivity, stiffness and orgasm quality.
ive now fallen back into a routine of porn and masturbation and ive lost all progress. no more morning erections.
i was taking 5-10mg selegiline and a lifeflo cream that has DHEA and tribulus.
i ran out of maca etc at least two weeks earlier so i wasnt taking that
i have been doing a similar protocol for my sort of pssd problem and it has worked, but i have been using and alternating daily low dose pregnenolone (10mg), dhea(15mg) and testosterone(2.5mg) (meaning i took only one of the tree each day)
the last week was dhea only, and the week after i took no exogenous hormones and i had a remission window with strong morning erections each day for about 8-9 days. i also did not masturbate or watch porn.
when i got home i jacked off and it was fantasatic. much improved sensitivity, stiffness and orgasm quality.
ive now fallen back into a routine of porn and masturbation and ive lost all progress. no more morning erections.
i was taking 5-10mg selegiline and a lifeflo cream that has DHEA and tribulus.
i ran out of maca etc at least two weeks earlier so i wasnt taking that
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Hi....
I would get topical progesterone and make sure it doesn't have any saw palmetto in it. Get Ella online. There are several references on this board. Consider taking (small dose) Ella 5mg or less for 3 days then wait 5 days ( until it's out of your system) and then start progesterone topically 5mg to scrotum ( I know that sounds weird but there's a reason for it.) Do progesterone for 7 - 10 days then stop for 7 days then consider restarting progesterone for 7 days. You can re dose Ella after a couple rounds of Ella. You will have to control Prolactin especially with the Ella. People do that different ways. You can get L dopa online or you can get prescription Selegiline or Caber. Caber is more potent. Good luck.
DHEA will increase estrogen. Testosterone doesn't work. That's the problem. That's why we are all here. The testosterone pathway is messed up.
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Brilliant post Jack this should be the official prog cycling protocol. It easy for newcomers to follow as its all laid out.
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Dosage? Dopamine Agonists are known to cause Insomnia. Particularly at higher doses, while lower doses tend to have a slight Sedative Effect.
I know Pine Pollen is good stuff.
Could be too much Estrogen conversion. Usually high E2 is the hormonal culprit behind Erectile Issues when Testosterone levels are more than sufficient. Either that or low DHT.