FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[IHateFin]

Dude are you getting this anavar. I hope it works man, since it would be so easy then.

yes, i will be getting anavar... well technically i already ordered it from russian star peptide so now i just wait for it to come it. ordered it two days ago.
im checking my emails all day to see that beautiful tracking number come in.

 

[wuf]

I know an italian guy who just got cured by a specialist doctor in Immune system medicine.
From this study you can read how Finasteride impacts, lowing/depressing the auto-immune cells and this can let virus/bacteria get in your body.
These "infections" can be the cause and the reason of why some people do not get back after they discontinue Finasteride.
The guy who got cured (I am in direct contact with him), got rid just after his immune system got started back again.

Finasteride Enhances the Generation of Human Myeloid-Derived Suppressor Cells by Up-Regulating the COX2/PGE2 Pathway. - PubMed - NCBI

@Helen @TubZy

 

[Helen]

I know an italian guy who just got cured by a specialist doctor in Immune system medicine.
From this study you can read how Finasteride impact on auto immune cells and can let virus/bacteria get in your body.
These "infections" can be the cause and the reason of why some people do not get back after they discontinue Finasteride.
The guy who got cured (I am in direct contact with him), got rid just after his immune system got started back again.

Finasteride Enhances the Generation of Human Myeloid-Derived Suppressor Cells by Up-Regulating the COX2/PGE2 Pathway. - PubMed - NCBI

@Helen @TubZy

the immune system is your potassium system, so anything you do the immune system will be thru potassium regulation.

This is why cortisol = immune supressive.

So if AR is upregulated= GR is upregulated= suppressed immune system. YOu never get sick

Immune system = either your NADPH oxidase or nitric oxide system.

since nitric oxide is the duaretic. Then without potassium. you cant have nitric oxide.

and thus in low potassium environment NADPH oxidase is working. And what is does it breaks down your NADPH to make ROS.

This is why in low potassium environment = no androgens, since NADPH makes androgens.


So PFS is basically potassium wasting disorder, since cortisol singlaing is upregulated.

 

[Helen]

yes, i will be getting anavar... well technically i already ordered it from russian star peptide so now i just wait for it to come it. ordered it two days ago.
im checking my emails all day to see that beautiful tracking number come in.

Dude, do they accept pay pal now?

 

[IHateFin]

Dude, do they accept pay pal now?

they do not. they accept western union, bitcoin and credit card.. i paid with credit card, BUT you can only use this option if you are a returning customer and thankfully i had ordered dht gel from them before so i was able to do that for this order.

 

[PFStinks]

the immune system is your potassium system, so anything you do the immune system will be thru potassium regulation.

This is why cortisol = immune supressive.

So if AR is upregulated= GR is upregulated= suppressed immune system. YOu never get sick

Immune system = either your NADPH oxidase or nitric oxide system.

since nitric oxide is the duaretic. Then without potassium. you cant have nitric oxide.

and thus in low potassium environment NADPH oxidase is working. And what is does it breaks down your NADPH to make ROS.

This is why in low potassium environment = no androgens, since NADPH makes androgens.


So PFS is basically potassium wasting disorder, since cortisol singlaing is upregulated.

How does this apply to Ella?

Ella made me feel good for about a month before the effects disappeared.

 

[Helen]

@IHateFin

You know what I just read, I read that ozone can break up the protein structures in AR receptor. and downregulate the shit out of it.


this is why I take bath with ozone, I put a machine right into my water and breathe ozone while taking a bath. it causes crazy oxidative stress, I even get hemolysis from it, meaning the red blood cells break down and get yellow . but then after doing this for 3-4 days in a row, you take B vitamins, and orange juice. and boom I get so androgenic, my muscles get very tight, very strong.

Now it makes sense why))

 

[Helen]

@IHateFin

The only problem with all these hormonal routes is this

the cell has minerals in it. And some minerals can be all low. Lets say you can have low copper and low zinc.

If you increase zinc= boom you get castrated.since you have low copper and if you lower zinc = hairloss

this is because you just jump from low zinc to no zinc in the cell. and copper is also low.

but in reality you should have copper and zinc in the cell. And the ratio between them what makes all this work

but like Tubzy said. he takes anavar= boom that chelates zinc out of the cell= hairloss

He takes fin which puts zinc into the cell= no hairloss


But in reality it is both copper and zinc low in the cell probably, so people jump like yo yo back and forth.


This is why balancing the cell all together is the best approach. Not just jump from low zinc levels to non existant zinc levels.

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin

The only problems with all these hormonal routes is this

the cell has minerals in it. And some minerals can be all low. Lets say you can have low copper and low zinc.

If you increase zinc= boom you get castrated. and if lower zinc = hairloss

this is because you just jump from low zinc to no zinc in the cell.

but in reality you should have copper and zinc in the cell. And the ratio between them what makes all this work

but like Tubzy said. he takes anavar= boom that chelates zinc out of the cell= hairloss

He takes fin which puts zinc into the cell= no hairloss


But in reality it is both copper and zinc low in the cell probably, so people jump like yo yo back and forth.


This is why balancing the cell all together is the best approach. Not just jump from low zinc levels to non existant zinc levels.

would taking the amino acids histidine, arginine and cysteine be able to feed the body minerals to maybe help strike a balance when taking something like anavar?

 

[Troy]

@Troy Bud, tell them your experience with potassium

So my approach was to lower cortisol with aminos and then to take potassium at this same time to get my potassium levels up.

I built up slowly on the potassium starting at about 100mg, working my way up to 2000mg per day (split in two doses). The more I took, the better I felt but then I started getting a racing heart, electric shocks in my body, panic attacks, unable to breathe. Basically thought I was going to die.

So I stopped everything. Felt shocking the first week or so after stopping. At about 3 to 4 weeks off, I started noticing big improvements. Am improving each day since.

When I stabilise and stop improving, I will do this method again. Just considering whether I add in magnesium and b1, or all of the b vitamins in addition to b1. Probably leaning to just b1 at the moment to kick start nadph. What do you reckon @Helen

 

[Helen]

would taking the amino acids histidine, arginine and cysteine be able to feed the body minerals to maybe help strike a balance when taking something like anavar?

I would not add anything to anavar, but eat high potassium foods and take B vitamins

 

[Helen]

So my approach was to lower cortisol with aminos and then to take potassium at this same time to get my potassium levels up.

I built up slowly on the potassium starting at about 100mg, working my way up to 2000mg per day (split in two doses). The more I took, the better I felt but then I started getting a racing heart, electric shocks in my body, panic attacks, unable to breathe. Basically thought I was going to die.

So I stopped everything. Felt shocking the first week or so after stopping. At about 3 to 4 weeks off, I started noticing big improvements. Am improving each day since.

When I stabilise and stop improving, I will do this method again. Just considering whether I add in magnesium and b1, or all of the b vitamins in addition to b1. Probably leaning to just b1 at the moment to kick start nadph. What do you reckon @Helen

yeah. man Bs. You did exactly what I wrote to get out of alkalosis. in electrolytes protocol . It says to take b1 after you start the potassium.

When are you going to do round 2?

Also my hair was shedding pretty bad on potassium , yours?

 

[Troy]

yeah. man Bs. You did exactly what I wrote to get out of alkalosis. in electrolytes protocol . It says to take b1 after you start the potassium.

When are you going to do round 2?

I still haven't stabilised from the first go. The first 2 weeks off were seriously hell. A racing heart each night, still unable to breathe here and there, weird shocks throughout my body. That has settled down nearly except with spasmodic episdoes of the breathing stuff. On top of this, I'm still improving each day. Test and estrogen are definitely going up each day. So I'll wait till everything levels out.

So you reckon all the bs or just b1? all bs

 

[Helen]

I still haven't stabilised from the first go. The first 2 weeks off were seriously hell. A racing heart each night, still unable to breathe here and there, weird shocks throughout my body. That has settled down nearly except with spasmodic episdoes of the breathing stuff. On top of this, I'm still improving each day. Test and estrogen are definitely going up each day. So I'll wait till everything levels out.

So you reckon all the bs or just b1? all bs

since in low potassium environment, your NAPDH oxidase is activated and it works on FAD. so I would assume FAD will the most under pressure

I actually thought bout trying combinations with B2. I did not get to that yet.

I think it is best to give all Bs. since FAD is also needed to make cortisol and all hormones.



Scenes did not have to suffer thru it all, he jut took copper and magnesium with the potassium )) So the effect was not after quitting potassium but right on it.


I think high potassium level forces the body to keep putting copper into the cell and getting zinc out of the cell.

 

[PFStinks]

since in low potassium environment, your NAPDH oxidase is activated and it works on FAD. so I would assume FAD will the most under pressure

I actually thought bout trying combinations with B2. I did not get to that yet.

Does Ella downregulate the receptors?

 

[Troy]

yeah. man Bs. You did exactly what I wrote to get out of alkalosis. in electrolytes protocol . It says to take b1 after you start the potassium.

When are you going to do round 2?

Also my hair was shedding pretty bad on potassium , yours?

And yes potassium definitely increases the rate of hair shedding. I get the mpb itch on potassium. I was and have been since waking up scratching furiously at my head as it gets really itchy.

 

[wuf]

the immune system is your potassium system, so anything you do the immune system will be thru potassium regulation.

This is why cortisol = immune supressive.

So if AR is upregulated= GR is upregulated= suppressed immune system. YOu never get sick

Immune system = either your NADPH oxidase or nitric oxide system.

since nitric oxide is the duaretic. Then without potassium. you cant have nitric oxide.

and thus in low potassium environment NADPH oxidase is working. And what is does it breaks down your NADPH to make ROS.

This is why in low potassium environment = no androgens, since NADPH makes androgens.


So PFS is basically potassium wasting disorder, since cortisol singlaing is upregulated.

The reason that guy got cured is in first place cause he killed the virus he got by using finasteride.
that was the reason and the root he never got back to healthy state.

 

[Helen]

The reason that guy got cured is in first place cause he killed the virus he got by using finasteride.
that was the reason and the root he never got back to healthy state.

You cant not kill the virus with stuff. the only way to kill the virus is to put your Nitrix oxide immune system online.

Which is what most of cures for viruses are all about.

 

[Helen]

Does Ella downregulate the receptors?

Probably yes

 

[PFStinks]

Probably yes

I noticed when I used Ella my digestion would return to normal. But after I started having loose stools.
When I have diarrhea and loose stools, I have PFS. When my stools are normal, I feel normal.

Other people on this site say they are constipated. Can this be two different types of PFS?