FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[Helen]

So androsterone or the like. I have been using haiduts 5 keto dht as I have upregulated receptors and it has fully restored my libido and ed after it has waned the last few weeks.

These have been shown to be more androgenic than anabolic.

I thought you were a fast oxidizer with high prolactin. with downregulated receptors. which is why you feel good while on DHT supps.

I was talking about Niles and people with low dht, low prolactin.

Tubzy @HS had similar tests to yours and he felt like shit on while on anavar and hypersexuality snap back. when off the supps

 

[Helen]

@HS I just found this chart LOL this chart says the opposite of what we looked at. Anabolic Ratio and Androgenic Ratio Chart and Major Steroid Profile - WUMEITECH

Does anyone have a real information on androgenic anabolic steroid action?

You see on this chart superdrol that you took is highly anabolic, and anavar is highly androgenic. LOL

 

[joekool]

Any of the DHT based steroids will be higher androgenic over anabolic.

Anavar, Winstrol, Proviron, Masteron

 

[MNK99]

'May do this, after Mineral balancing.... I shall see/ future.

 

[Helen]

Any of the DHT based steroids will be higher androgenic over anabolic.

Anavar, Winstrol, Proviron, Masteron

anavar is usually considered the opposite of them. Everywhere it is described as almost zero androgenic and high anabolic. This is why I am trying to figure it out since in the table I found it is the opposite, but I guess that table is wrong. When Tubzy wakes up we will look at it again, Since he is a steroid guru ))
I understand about masterons provirons etc but they have to be more androgenic than DHT, but they are less.

So far we only have testosterone which will provide you DHT equal to your DHT strength. but it is slow, since it is equal to DHT, so if we find something stronger than DHT we can do it much faster than just taking test with AI, or lower test like you do.. this is for upregulated receptors case.

I will look for more androgenic things

For downregulated I wish Tubzy tries superdrol or anavar, since we have his bloods now. And we know he is more on the prolactin side.

We know that anavar worked for PFS for some case.

 

[MNK99]

-Should I just take all at same time?

 

[joekool]

that chart is correct but note nothing will be compared to DHT... those #'s are somewhat speculative as they are compared to test which has a Anabolic/Androgenic ratio of 100/100. So nothing will say more androgenic to DHT, they'll just say how much more androgenic than test is. Proviron is higher, Anavar too...

 

[Helen]

that chart is correct but note nothing will be compared to DHT... those #'s are somewhat speculative as they are compared to test which has a Anabolic/Androgenic ratio of 100/100. So nothing will say more androgenic to DHT, they'll just say how much more androgenic than test is. Proviron is higher, Anavar too...

Joe. that chart has it opposite )) I am pretty sure

 

[Helen]

that chart is correct but note nothing will be compared to DHT... those #'s are somewhat speculative as they are compared to test which has a Anabolic/Androgenic ratio of 100/100. So nothing will say more androgenic to DHT, they'll just say how much more androgenic than test is. Proviron is higher, Anavar too...

I hope you understand that when you go on proviron masterone and anavar or superdrol you will have 2 opposite reactions.


Anavar (Oxandrolone) - Anabolic.org

Androgenic 24 . anabolic 300.

they have them all mixed in that chart, that is why I posted it for Tubzy to crack up at


Here is your masterone. Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate) - Anabolic.org

androgenic 24 anabolic 60-100

Only test will give you androgenic 100. and Tren which will give you 500. , but tren also has high anabolic.

this is why probably none of masterones and provirons work for PFS. since they cant work for either case. since they are not enough anabolic or androgenic. So cant affect cortisol receptor or AR. that much.

 

[Troy]

I hope you understand that when you go on proviron masterone and anavar or superdrol you will have 2 opposite reactions.


Anavar (Oxandrolone) - Anabolic.org

Androgenic 24 . anabolic 300.

they have them all mixed in that chart, that is why I posted it for Tubzy to crack up at


Here is your masterone. Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate) - Anabolic.org

androgenic 24 anabolic 60-100

Only test will give you androgenic 100. and Tren which will give you 500. , but tren also has high anabolic.

this is why probably none of masterones and provirons work for PFS. since they cant work for either case. since they are not enough anabolic or androgenic. So cant affect cortisol receptor or AR. that much.

Shouldn't we just be focusing on the mineral/electrolyte route?

Hormones route risks throwing other things out.

Some combinations of aminos, potassium, magnesium, copper and b vitamins is where the cure lies I think.

 

[Helen]

Shouldn't we just be focusing on the mineral/electrolyte route?

Hormones route risks throwing other things out.

Some combinations of aminos, potassium, magnesium, copper and b vitamins is where the cure lies I think.

of course , dude, just go on TEI. All these people who are fucking with hormones will have to come back go TEI anyway. eventually.

Since even if they restore their zinc finger, they will lose their hair, or gums or other things with oxidative stress.

So hormones routes are just for the people who dont really care about all other things.


People were sick before PFS, so all those things wont go away. SO it is silly just to concentrate on receptors.

Especially for PSSD people. Those had panic attacks and had to take SSRI. And now they want back ? OK, the go back and most of them start taking SSRI again. since how can you live with anxiety like that.

 

[Helen]

Shouldn't we just be focusing on the mineral/electrolyte route?

Hormones route risks throwing other things out.

Some combinations of aminos, potassium, magnesium, copper and b vitamins is where the cure lies I think.

Look at Goose and other folks on TEI, they are slowly improving better better better better, and TEI does not concentrate on your sex drive , they are fixing everything. So sometimes it will take time for you to get to the libido part. but you will get there

People need to realize that they were sick before taking FIN.

 

[Jaxx]

of course , dude, just go on TEI. All these people who are fucking with hormones will have to come back go TEI anyway. eventually.

Since even if they restore their zinc finger, they will lose their hair, or gums or other things with oxidative stress.

So hormones routes are just for the people who dont really care about all other things.


People were sick before PFS, so all those things wont go away. SO it is silly just to concentrate on receptors.

Especially for PSSD people. Those had panic attacks and had to take SSRI. And now they want back ? OK, the go back and most of them start taking SSRI again. since how can you live with anxiety like that.

I think many cured cases in PSSD have learned their lesson and found other ways to deal with their anxiety. But you are right, also the bad things return. Perhaps TEI could help with in the future too, lets see. So far it looks like very slow route.

 

[MNK99]

-YA me too. Never used those things again, but for other reasons too.... AND none worked or if they did, did crazy things but unique case mostly.

-I just didn't treat it and found true or more realistic cause. But my issues worsened. BUT serotonin isn't the happy neurotransmitter as AREA and IHATEFIN, and me.... and others, Helen, agree.

-They're terrible. SNRI's/SSRI's. NO doc in family likes em. BUT* acute cases are different, and there are meds out there. But ev1's different.
-NEARLY most docs I know don't like them (the ones I like, are friends, aren't morons... some probably do but not for my issues or professionals, or ppl who gotta get things done). Psychiatrists... probably different story. Mine hates giving meds unless absolutely needed and for a short time for most ppl.

-I mean my anxiety got to zero tons of times, and that got better. But is still there (you need some, otherwise... no good), but other things caused most of it in first place.
-Drugs and alcohol also bad for anxiety, but better than SNRI's/SSRI's. Or overworking/running/training/fasting also better. Lithium Orotate for some.
-Cholines... ALpha-GPC, and Citocoline Joekool and Area told me about, looked into it, yeah m better. And even MMJ*.
-Walking, Journalling, Writing, Art, CBT, Talk-Therapy, GF, BF, SPOUSE - sometimes all those things. Are all better.

-I could not see it at the time when I was manic a year to two years. BUT: Later, I saw I became like 100x stronger after. And FIN: Pretty DESTROYED.
-BUT: Also getting stronger and am for the most part.
-I am still a Clusterfuck. But, don't worry everyone you can get better from PSSD and PFS.
-NEVER MAKE THIS MISTAKE AGAIN. It's a bitch, for sure.

@Jaxx
-How slow? Like 6mo? 1yr? 2yrs? Plus? Damn.......

 

[Helen]

@Troy The major problems with electrolytes and minerals is that people have to test a lot of things. and take tons of shit. There is a program TEI for that.

Since I wont be able to keep telling what to take. Look at Herrfish, Goose, etc march, people who are on the programs, they are already optimizing themself.

Look at Admiral, he was ready to kill himself not that long ago, and now his thinking and attitude is soo much better,

Plus you can relax which is also very important. ON ray peat forum people fly back and forth constantly , trying stuff, but with TEI you are given stuff, with tests and you just relax and take it and live your live, you get away from supplement and looking what is wrong with you. You just trust the program and go on . and start living the life.

Look at how many forums like phoenix rising, like this or that, constanly looking for cures. but their knowledge of the balncing is like 1/1000000- of TEI. So those people fuck themselves up all their lives.


To me you either fast, eat healthy and swim in the sea daily.

Or go on a program , or something like electrolytes protocol which gives you anything.

IF you want to screw around with hormones , you could for a short term.

 

[Troy]

Look at Goose and other folks on TEI, they are slowly improving better better better better, and TEI does not concentrate on your sex drive , they are fixing everything. So sometimes it will take time for you to get to the libido part. but you will get there

People need to realize that they were sick before taking FIN.

Electrolytes protocol is sort of like a fast paced tei isn’t it? Have you managed to come up with a new combinations of b vitamins etc that could help fix it quickly? @Helen

 

[Helen]

I think many cured cases in PSSD have learned their lesson and found other ways to deal with their anxiety. But you are right, also the bad things return. Perhaps TEI could help with in the future too, lets see. So far it looks like very slow route.

yeah, dude, since per SSRI it was a lot more serious than PSSD.

I dont see many people with PSSD try TEI. yet. I see 3 of you are about to try ))

 

[Troy]

yeah, dude, since per SSRI it was a lot more serious than PSSD.

I dont see many people with PSSD try TEI. yet. I see 3 of you are about to try ))

also did you fix your pfs yet?

 

[Helen]

Electrolytes protocol is sort of like a fast paced tei isn’t it? Have you managed to come up with a new combinations of b vitamins etc that could help fix it quickly?

Not yet man, I had a really big crash this time, and I'm not recovered yet, , and \I am trying different combinations.

But this chelation really weakened me greatly and I crashed hard.

you see to quickly fix someone you dont need to give Electolytes protocol, you need to gets tested and then hit where it hurts.

electrolytes protocol is like feeding everything hoping the body recovers.

We did not have anyone really recover yet. We have 2-3 people only doing it and they are doing great, but it is a small number

People who are recovered like scenes, recovered very fast , just on some zinc finger stuff, antagonizing or agonizing.

But antagonizing the zinc finger or agonizing it wont cure all your problems, it will hit PFS, but then you deal with all kinds of other shit.

So I think it is safer to give everything and let the body recover.

 

[MNK99]

-What about for PSSD: SImplified Electrolytes ALL YEAR, FASTED TRAINING ALL YEAR, and TEI ALL YEAR? Faster solution? @Helen!
-FOR PFS: SAME QUESTION?
-FOR ALL: CAN SOMEONE DO IT ONE ONE TO TWO OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF THIS HERE TEI?

AND FASTING AND IDEALLY SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN (NO GO ON ME THERE. It's hard to swim 100 days in an ocean, in many parts of Earth).