FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[Helen]

@Troy but if we can figure out fast hormonal routes like 2-3 weeks, that would be also good for some people. At least start in a better position for all kinds of other manipulations.

Like dude who recovered on anavar, that was 2 weeks. boom and you recovered, not 6 month s, not a year. right way, just like Scenes. Just like Rwac

 

[Jaxx]

yeah, dude, since per SSRI it was a lot more serious than PSSD.

I dont see many people with PSSD try TEI. yet. I see 3 of you are about to try ))

True, several did arl though.

I am still pro neurotransmitter/hormone route (or own electrolyte protocol overall), simply based on the successful results I’ve have seen so-far. I am sure my restlessness plays a role too in that judgement.

 

[Troy]

@Troy but if we can figure out fast hormonal routes like 2-3 weeks, that would be also good for some people. At least start in a better position for all kinds of other manipulations.

Like dude who recovered on anavar, that was 2 weeks. boom and you recovered, not 6 month s, not a year. right way, just like Scenes. Just like Rwac

Yeah fair point. And when your hormones are in balance and receptors balanced, any mineral imbalances will be much easier to fix.

 

[Helen]

True, several did arl though.

I am still pro neurotransmitter/hormone route (or own electrolyte protocol overall), simply based on the successful results I’ve have seen so-far. I am sure my restlessness plays a role too in that judgement.

Upregulating or downregulating stuff does not fix the underlying problem which you had before taking SSRI.

Actually it can create even more problems down the line.

Like your body excessively breaks down dopamine, you take stuff to upregulate dopamine receptors. boom you feel better. but the body is just killing itself now by retaining more and more iron.

People are trying to make themselves feel better. short term. but you have a life to live later )) and real shit starts when you are older.

 

[Jaxx]

Upregulating or downregulating stuff does not fix the underlying problem which you had before taking SSRI.

Actually it can create even more problems down the line.

Like your body excessively breaks down dopamine, you take stuff to upregulate dopamine receptors. boom you feel better. but the body is just killing itself now by retaining more and more iron.

People are trying to make themselves feel better. short term. but you have a life to live later )) and real shit starts when you are older.

yeah for some, but you know how fast some docs can prescribe ssri’s in some countries. Shyness, test stress can already be a reason for a serious drug like ssri.
I have seen some cured cases going back to antidepressants, some people need something to cope i guess.

 

[Helen]

yeah for some, but you know how fast some docs can prescribe ssri’s in some countries. Shyness, test stress can already be a reason for a serious drug like ssri.
I have seen some cured cases going back to antidepressants, some people need something to cope i guess.

yeah, man I remember when they put me on SSRI. I dont think I would be able to live in the state before the SSRI. It was constant panic attacks. You cant cope with that. I dont even know what one can do. Panic attacks ruined my life completely.

SO most people will go back on SSRI after curing the PSSD I would assume. I think the PSSD is a more stable situation than than pre SSRI situation for some people.

 

[Jaxx]

yeah, man I remember when they put me on SSRI. I dont think I would be able to live in the state before the SSRI. It was constant panic attacks. You cant cope with that. I dont even know what one can do. Panic attacks ruined my life completely.

SO most people will go back on SSRI after curing the PSSD I would assume. I think the PSSD is a more stable situation than than pre SSRI situation for some people.

I dont know man, most people with pssd actually had a milder form of depression or anxiety. Doubt they would go back, some might try TCA’s or atypical i guess. Speaking for myself, i think a healthy life balance, sports and perhaps some mildfulness would come along way.

 

[brix]

I thought you were a fast oxidizer with high prolactin. with downregulated receptors. which is why you feel good while on DHT supps.

I was talking about Niles and people with low dht, low prolactin.

Tubzy @HS had similar tests to yours and he felt like shit on while on anavar and hypersexuality snap back. when off the supps

Ah, right. Well do we want to feel good on the supps or feel better with the snapback? Am I doing the wrong thing by taking dht with downregulated receptors?

 

[bruschi11]

People who are recovered like scenes, recovered very fast , just on some zinc finger stuff, antagonizing or agonizing.

But antagonizing the zinc finger or agonizing it wont cure all your problems, it will hit PFS, but then you deal with all kinds of other shit.

So I think it is safer to give everything and let the body recover.

PFS may have caused a bunch of problems in people. But I’m realizing even as you do put away pfs, maybe some problems get better, but they don’t all go away.

I think a lot of guys are looking for that switch to turn on or off, but realistically that switch isn’t going to change too much more beyond libido, erections, confidence/anxiety (maybe more anxiety or less depending on person).

Something like fatigue and sleep issues I think there’s deeper stuff that need to be dealt with. Fixing pfs I think can help these but you gotta go deeper to fix them at the root which is likely a pathogen, toxin, or nutritional/metal imbalance.

 

[hairsuit]

PFS may have caused a bunch of problems in people. But I’m realizing even as you do put away pfs, maybe some problems get better, but they don’t all go away.

I think a lot of guys are looking for that switch to turn on or off, but realistically that switch isn’t going to change too much more beyond libido, erections, confidence/anxiety (maybe more anxiety or less depending on person).

Something like fatigue and sleep issues I think there’s deeper stuff that need to be dealt with. Fixing pfs I think can help these but you gotta go deeper to fix them at the root which is likely a pathogen, toxin, or nutritional/metal imbalance.

Man, if the libido/sexual stuff would change, I’d buy every person on here a bottle of fine Kentucky bourbon, but damn if it isn’t the only thing that will not change for me. Weird how we all have different resistant symptoms that won’t let go. There is no pattern that is tried and true it seems

 

[brix]

Man, if the libido/sexual stuff would change, I’d buy every person on here a bottle of fine Kentucky bourbon, but damn if it isn’t the only thing that will not change for me. Weird how we all have different resistant symptoms that won’t let go. There is no pattern that is tried and true it seems

Are you fast or slow oxi? Low or high prolactin?

 

[MNK99]

@Helen. -SHOULD MNK SKIP THE BS
-AND JUST DO ANAVAR?
-YOU SEEN MY LOG MAN.
-MNK cannot be solving this bs 100 yrs.
-WHat of brain structural differences in disorders? I will still take some nicotine and stuff, bc lets face it addictive tendancies will not go away.
-I'll try... but then you need to add niac or whatever... ... can't delay life 50yrs to balance and then die of old age.
-Millionaries and vampires and ppl like me - future whatevers esp in East Coast NA do not sleep 8 hrs, and eat fish and whatever all the time and be content
and happy and at peace and all that stuff.

 

[Helen]

@Helen. -SHOULD MNK SKIP THE BS
-AND JUST DO ANAVAR?
-YOU SEEN MY LOG MAN.
-MNK cannot be solving this bs 100 yrs.
-WHat of brain structural differences in disorders? I will still take some nicotine and stuff, bc lets face it addictive tendancies will not go away.
-I'll try... but then you need to add niac or whatever... ... can't delay life 50yrs to balance and then die of old age.
-Millionaries and vampires and ppl like me - future whatevers esp in East Coast NA do not sleep 8 hrs, and eat fish and whatever all the time and be content
and happy and at peace and all that stuff.

Lol dude, you got a lot more shit to get off from and it is a lot more than solving PFS.

 

[MNK99]

OK. I was kidding. I know not all issues will go away after PFS. Not on drugs at all. TOok HCl and Enzymes and a choline tablet, one coffee yday.
ZERO mood drugs, nicotine everyday since fasting. Coffee like 5-6months maybe and hardly ever half the time. Dexedrine like 60 days this yr maybe if that.
Inhalers? So I don't die. I'm better off than most. NON-PFS-WISE? Yeah, probably not. WOW SO MEAN.

CONCUSSION may have caused it all at 21. Blacked out on bday. Nearly died --- shitty friends. Not my fault. I don't think it was all from that fall. I fell face first black out drunk, lost a tooth. I think I was fkd up before that. I was joking about a lot, I'm not crazy. SO IF I HAD AIDS, this would remineralize me and fix all?

Well , I wanted brain scans but couldn't bc I was destroyed and didn't want to see any doctors then at 21-22. No one said concussion, but maybe. Brain injury.

-COFFEE FINE I CAN QUIT. INHALERS? FINE... FOR 3months. Or more... I'll exercise less.Lithium orotate? LIKE 10x in a month? That's nothing. But fine. I'll just be an invalid for a year to move 10%. CHOLINE? may be hit or miss, so fine. DONE... HCl enzymes? They're in this too.

You're really mean. I just don't want to make a major mistake and do anything that hurts me. Don't want to be suicidal again.

-Fine. ADD probably not so bad zero coffee. I guess at 13 no coffee and top of the school system... eccentric then and also fat. AND later zero structure.
-rather swim and fast 80 days then follow rules, but that's just me.

 

[Mateusz]

Sorry, I’m dumb and just asking, TEI is traceelementsinc, right? You guys did profile 2? I just want to fix myself.

 

[joekool]

I disagree with some of your hormone statements. They don't cause all the downstream affects you list... I've done them for ages, which is why I was so flippant with FIN

 

[Admiral]

I’ve tried testosterone (injections, pills, gells), hydrocortisone, T3, NTD (thyroid), growth hormones, pregnenolone, DHEA, stanozolol, clomifeen, turinabol, ostarine and every drug imaginable. Nothing works for PFS. Some of ‘m did, but only for a few days. Some of ‘m made my baseline even worse. Never touching hormones or drugs ever again.

Well, drugs I will. This is Holland after all.

 

[hairsuit]

Are you fast or slow oxi? Low or high prolactin?

Just flip flopped from slow to fast. Extremely fast. Not sure about where prolactin sits....

 

[TubZy]

@HS I just found this chart LOL this chart says the opposite of what we looked at. Anabolic Ratio and Androgenic Ratio Chart and Major Steroid Profile - WUMEITECH

Does anyone have a real information on androgenic anabolic steroid action?

You see on this chart superdrol that you took is highly anabolic, and anavar is highly androgenic. LOL

Yeah that link is wrong, they reversed all the ratios LOL if anavar is highly androgenic you'd be shedding like a cat on cycle, the reason why girls choose anavar is simply because it is the LEAST androgenic

 

[Chapman]

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Sorry, I’m dumb and just asking, TEI is traceelementsinc, right? You guys did profile 2? I just want to fix myself.

Yeah thats it man you got it!