**HS Approved Protocols**

[Jaxx]

because we did not have the same results with anavar. ihatefin is very impulsive. and takes all kinds of stuff, he had the same results from RU also. And the same feedback.

We have discussion in his log. And I asked him to take nothing and and understand his new baseline. or lack of it.

PSSD person talkingant took anavar and discussed it and he is your body chemistry PSSD, Boris took anavar and discussed it in his log and we even did blood testing. And he took anavar already 2 times))

so I have no clue why you look at Ihatefin. and not talkingant

Well it are 2 examples, and yeah talkingant is also PSSD. IF we are more similar i dont know, i responded to ella, ihatefin did to RU.
Having said that, Talkingants dosing was very conservative and side-effects also very mild, but he did experience it positive.
Comparing what bodybuilders are taking this was a very low dose. Will a larger dose be better? We dont know, no one is testing or logging properly, right?

 

[Helen]

Following that logic, why not make a more restricted area to try things then? You have been hypothesizing quite a bit about a PSSD variation of the electrolyte protocol. It could pay off to test with a larger group that is considered responsible.
I do understand that not every new member here should be doing random stuff immediately. But i think there are still so many leads with dopamine, progesterone, electrolytes anavar that should be explored and i know for a fact are now simply off the radar.

You should explore it, but you are not taking stuff, but you want other people to take it?

I took 2 people with PSSD and I am dealing with them now. and we are making test and doing the whole nine yards.

If you want to try things, go try things.


What are you talkinga about simply off the radar. I have a group of people that I try all these things with .


You sound like you want to learn on other people experiements from this forum. This is NOT fair coming from you.

Jump in and try things yourself. I did , 3 times on propecia.

 

[Helen]

Well it are 2 examples, and yeah talkingant is also PSSD. IF we are more similar i dont know, i responded to ella, ihatefin did to RU.
Having said that, Talkingants dosing was very conservative and side-effects also very mild, but he did experience it positive.
Comparing what bodybuilders are taking this was a very low dose. Will a larger dose be better? We dont know, no one is testing or logging properly, right?

you should try it. why do you want other people to try stuff for you? you have these questions, go ahead try it , we will learn from your experience.

 

[Jaxx]

You should explore it, but you are not taking stuff, but you want other people to take it?

I took 2 people with PSSD and I am dealing with them now. and we are making test and doing the whole nine yards.

If you want to try things, go try things.


What are you talkinga about simply off the radar. I have a group of people that I try all these things with .


You sound like you want to learn on other people experiements from this forum. This is NOT fair coming from you.

Jump in and try things yourself. I did , 3 times on propecia.

Wait wait wait, not fair of me? I am promoting sharing experiences that are happening anyway. Not making others take stuff that i am afraid of.
As you know i was on MAOI until last week, bare in mind this comes with the side-effects and precautions as well, it's not like i am sitting on the side-line.

And yes, i do want to learn from others on this forum, as should everyone.

 

[MNK99]

--Look I responded to A LOT of what @IHateFin did, and I tried em. NOT ALL. Some things I do, IHATEFIN is probably against. --Same with @Tubzy, responded well to lots of his advice, and some stuff that doesn't help him, doesn't help me.... still on net, trial and error kind of saved my life. --gotta try stuff. --***I mean taking calculated risks*** not a bunch of crazy shyt!!!
--I have rules like for me: no ozone, no hydrogen water.
-Jacknap and I did a lot of similar things, but I used ella and ru... and maybe fasting was BAD for him.
--If I waited for 100% clear routes, I'd have zero formal post high school degrees, zero job exp, zero money. I literally trialled and errored a lot of life/ maybe most till mid 20s.
-terrible health too. Can't depend on insane food pyramids in Canada or the US and wackjob family docs. --if it actually mostly works for me, likely can for a lot of others too.
-only 2 things for me, and mostly 1 bc anavar could fuck me up, so if im on tei 6mo i may slap myself and say stick to it, and fk using steroids for me, but i can't predict my exact actions. --i can and will as always exercise caution and self-control tho.

 

[TubZy]

Following that logic, why not make a more restricted area to try things then? You have been hypothesizing quite a bit about a PSSD variation of the electrolyte protocol. It could pay off to test with a larger group that is considered responsible.
I do understand that not every new member here should be doing random stuff immediately. But i think there are still so many leads with dopamine, progesterone, electrolytes anavar that should be explored and i know for a fact are now simply off the radar.

we do have two areas now, approved and experimental
https://hackstasis.com/forums/post-finasteride-pfs.71/

 

[TubZy]

And nothing has changed, all that there is a disclaimer now with separated sections, people can still experiment all they want but the only approved protcol is TEI, which is both safe and effective. So if a new person comes in they have a place to start

 

[Jaxx]

we do have two areas now, approved and experimental
https://hackstasis.com/forums/post-finasteride-pfs.71/

I indeed was not aware, like the setup, but still believe some experiments could be shared more imo..

 

[Helen]

Wait wait wait, not fair of me? I am promoting sharing experiences that are happening anyway. Not making others take stuff that i am afraid of.
As you know i was on MAOI until last week, bare in mind this comes with the side-effects and precautions as well, it's not like i am sitting on the side-line.

And yes, i do want to learn from others on this forum, as should everyone.

Bud, We have people trying things now. Ihatefin is in the process of trying anavar. Joe is trying long test cycle with PCT( hope it works for him , he deserves to get cured)

I am in the process of 2 people using blood test electrolytes and all other stuff with barbaar so I am dealing with PSSD.

I am in process with other 10 people trying other things.

I am controlling these trials, I am chosing people who I communicate with and I find them strong and responsible to take these risks.

And I am constantly online with them helping them out. and they are trying things out.

I have people even cycling dexa now. and progesterone.

WE dont want new people come here and start trying hormones, which did not even work for us yet. and then end up in emergency rooms or dead or severely impaired like this MInimi guy did. I' m so sorry for him.

 

[Jaxx]

you should try it. why do you want other people to try stuff for you? you have these questions, go ahead try it , we will learn from your experience.

And FYI, i am not planning to sit still. My draft plan is:
- Get broad tests at Endo (November)
- Hope to get Prami through official route
- If Prami doesnt work alone, combine it with seronotine antagonist
- If no responds, Prami + anti-Progestin

Then i will be looking to other options, like anavar. But with tests pre-post if possible and proper PCT.

 

[TubZy]

I indeed was not aware, like the setup, but still believe some experiments could be shared more imo..

Wouldnt that be more on the thread or log owner though? Many people take stuff and dont report back, i dont think there is much we can do for those issues from a forum perspective Tbh

 

[Helen]

And FYI, i am not planning to sit still. My draft plan is:
- Get broad tests at Endo (November)
- Hope to get Prami through official route
- If Prami doesnt work alone, combine it with seronotine antagonist
- If no responds, Prami + anti-Progestin

Then i will be looking to other options, like anavar. But with tests pre-post if possible and proper PCT.

We cant try these things on random people. I understand what you mean, but we have a core group of people and we should try these things on them

Plus your approach like I want to get back to Pre SSRI is a wrong approach. IMO/ Ask @barbaar does he want to get back into pre SSRI. I dont thinks so.

He wants to get fixed. and fixed in all his health.

Post SSRI condition is way more stable for most people than pre SSRI.


Plus even 2 different SSRIs have 2 effects, one type of SSRI increases cortisol and another type lowers it.

 

[Jaxx]

Wouldnt that be more on the thread or log owner though? Many people take stuff and dont report back, i dont think there is much we can do for those issues from a forum perspective

Well take the electrolyte group trial, which was conducted in a closed group. The daily experiences were never shared anymore. I understand you want to discuss some stuff privately, but now the reports are basically small summaries what happened 2 weeks back.

I agree that people should take the initiative to share themselves, but i see less sharing these days. Seriously, that summer discussion on RayPeatForum in 2017 was simply inspiring, we need that stuff back!

 

[Jaxx]

We cant try these things on random people. I understand what you mean, but we have a core group of people and we should try these things on them

Plus your approach like I want to get back to Pre SSRI is a wrong approach. IMO/ Ask @barbaar does he want to get back into pre SSRI. I dont thinks so.

He wants to get fixed. and fixed in all his health.

Post SSRI condition is way more stable for most people than pre SSRI.


Plus even 2 different SSRIs have 2 effects, one type of SSRI increases cortisol and another type lowers it.

I do want to go back pre-SSRI, i was in an extreme situation which made me take the meds. If i need to take TEI when i am pre SSRI to be happier, fine.

 

[MNK99]

--Yeah same here. It's easier to be nicer all the time; and Lamotrigine would do that... but its situational and life exp stuff... so I feel a lot like pre lamotrigine but I'd rather not need any of that shyt, and TEI helps mood and even ADD med side effects a ton (can sleep 8hrs) but I only used it a couple times.
-If anything I want tei to be faster and would double the dose if that worked that way, but I highly doubt it does.
--I'm a lot like pre lamotrigine and pre fin (which was way worse than Lamotrigine but Lamo can be deadly too)... I want to see my counsellor and doc and live downtown again... but don't want to be happy sometimes or fleetingly, but like everyday. AND out on my own will be much better, but for a time, likely have to face a lot of stress.
-and for a bit face, the fact that I was suicidal when I moved... but I went to my old building saw a friend there and a cafe downstairs too. --it was fine. Faced fears.
-BUT yes, clearly there's reasons why I would use Lamotrigine or have such docs, but counselling, seeing friends, girlfriend, career, exercise, and walking, music... etc that's my main therapy. --maybe if I really luckout work will be artistic and creative and not "something you need to go to", but a lot of stuff is up in the air. AND I hate that feeling, but it has to be dealt with. Risks must be taken and believing in myself is key.
--AND rite before taking Lamotrigine and being lost like was it adhd or bipolar ii... ya I learned a lot but I don't want to feel like that again. THO preferred to PFS, was still pretty tough. Mostly im normal or close enough to it, lots of issues were money and crappy people caused... but ya, working to be happy. ANd feel 8.7-9.5/10 mood sometimes, but it's really really hard forgetting all the stuff that's happened. --Or trying to understand why... --and believing in a happy ending. --and that things will be ok.
--or that I can "catch up". --Or pretend life will be ok. I think it can be, but I think that I can't control everything and lots of bridges are burned and this and that, anyways.
--also even if I choose a happier better career - then How come I didn't earlier on? --can't win, but can't think like that.

-EDIT: really depressed for like 10-20mins but better now/ took TEI second dose. Tired.

 

[TubZy]

Well take the electrolyte group trial, which was conducted in a closed group. The daily experiences were never shared anymore. I understand you want to discuss some stuff privately, but now the reports are basically small summaries what happened 2 weeks back.

I agree that people should take the initiative to share themselves, but i see less sharing these days. Seriously, that summer discussion on RayPeatForum in 2017 was simply inspiring, we need that stuff back!

No trials are done private anymore like that, at least none that I'm aware of. Actually the anavar trials are close to same amount of participants as that private trial. @Helen forgot to mention @Chapman and @BeLikeWater @brix who also did anavar. That is close to 10 people trialing it, so that should give you at least some input. But the main issue is that no one really wants to get pre and post bloods with var so even if the trials are conducted we really won't know why something worked for someone but not another person. If you really want to experiment, why not just do trial it on your own instead of wait for other people, TBH that is what I do. I'm not telling you to do that but if you really feel the need to do it (which it seems) why not just try it and see how you react?

From your two examples of trials that don't get that much follow up, Ihatefin didn't have pre and post bloods done for his trial and Joe is still trialing so I assume that is why they are not as discussed. I think more organized experiments are helpful meaning pre/post bloods so we can see the body chemistry change.

This post is mainly directed for new members, and this is a lot of the feedback I get from the community. The first PM I get from them is that they are confused where to start so TEI or even CDnut's protocol are safe and effective. If you want to still experiment you still can, nothing is stopping anyone there just needs some basic direction of where to start (i.e. TEI). New experiments are still going on daily basis regardless of this post, there was just a post on drinking urine LOL

After being on this forum for over a year now, what I learned is that you can't force people to do things, like get a blood test Lol.

 

[TubZy]

Word of cautions with those that doesn't have a thyroid functioning optimally with the juice of raw veggies such as broccoli, cauliflower, kale etc. goitrogens could be problematic, the cooking process usually diminish the harmful effect. It impairs the absorption of iodine
Supplementing Iodine would be wise if you juice everyday

Yeah, definitely should be careful on not overdo it. I think the cruciferous veggies are the worst with the goitrogens. I think spinach has some but was considered "mild". Also, would be smart to only juice one or two times a day away from meals so you absorb iodine when you eat real food and maybe add some salt.

My interest from broccoli juice stemmed from here https://hackstasis.com/threads/sulp...conversion-hairloss-pfs-copd-cancer-pssd.778/

 

[TubZy]

Please make a cooking channel on youtube. You can make bone broths and do juicing like you do here and throw in some health facts like this one. Id watch that shit like crazy

Lol no time right now man. Work, back in school for masters, in process of getting commercial drone pilot license... a lot going on at the moment

 

[TubZy]

I'd be happy to copy the thread content if you can link me to it, but I cannot find it, and didn't know it was going down.

I left it up on the wiki, so you can view it there and gather what content you want
Hackstasis Wiki

 

[Jaxx]

No trials are done private anymore like that, at least none that I'm aware of. Actually the anavar trials are close to same amount of participants as that private trial. @Helen forgot to mention @Chapman and @BeLikeWater @brix who also did anavar. That is close to 10 people trialing it, so that should give you at least some input. But the main issue is that no one really wants to get pre and post bloods with var so even if the trials are conducted we really won't know why something worked for someone but not another person. If you really want to experiment, why not just do trial it on your own instead of wait for other people, TBH that is what I do. I'm not telling you to do that but if you really feel the need to do it (which it seems) why not just try it and see how you react?

From your two examples of trials that don't get that much follow up, Ihatefin didn't have pre and post bloods done for his trial and Joe is still trialing so I assume that is why they are not as discussed. I think more organized experiments are helpful meaning pre/post bloods so we can see the body chemistry change.

This post is mainly directed for new members, and this is a lot of the feedback I get from the community. The first PM I get from them is that they are confused where to start so TEI or even CDnut's protocol are safe and effective. If you want to still experiment you still can, nothing is stopping anyone there just needs some basic direction of where to start (i.e. TEI). New experiments are still going on daily basis regardless of this post, there was just a post on drinking urine LOL

After being on this forum for over a year now, what I learned is that you can't force people to do things, like get a blood test Lol.

Was not aware of all these ppl on Var, so far for overview lol