PFS theory ( taking into account all the data that we received., CSF values, studies , blood tests, reactions)

[RebelWithACause]

Why not give all programs some time. There are many different trials going on. In the end we can see what worked best and what was worse.

I'd be happy to just get a normal, healthy libido and mental health back, everything else is a PLUS, a bonus.

I understand sometimes it is shocking to lose hair on a program or you feel depressed/anxious/bad mood on it (I do from time to time as you can read in my log) but it is even worse to jump from protocol to protocol because then you don't know what works. And your body has no time to heal itself.

The rest is just noise so let's focus on the important things.

 

[Helen]

My only gripe with TEI is that as of now, nobody got any regrowth with TEI so far and there are many people reporting increased shedding/hair loss, including myself. Yes TEI will fix your health, but there are so few cases where people fixed their mental issuess and libido while keeping their hair. In the end we value our hair so much, we ended up risking our health to keep our hair (Finasteride). What if you become balanced and keep losing your hair, then it means hair loss isn't a balancing issue, but indeed a genetic one.

you are on your first cycle of TEI )) this cycle could be even wrong for you))

 

[Helen]

Nah, I'm still on arl.. and was back then as well.
I was just talking about mineral balancing in general. When I get the hardcopy in the mail i'll scan and show u the difference between the tei and arl results. Arl is showing a specific pattern, so I'm sticking with it

ha, this was meant for Ingeno))

 

[Ocguy]

ha, this was meant for Ingeno))

Lol, I know I realized that and deleted, not in time though, you're quick

 

[Trump_1776]

I brought up CDs protocol for obvious reasons outlined earlier.

 

[Reverse]

@Helen You mentioned in first post how the body is kind of aging because hormones aren't getting where they need to go.

My observation shows me that PFS people are not aging but instead are actually deteriorating slowly from the inside out thru deprivation.

I say this because I've seen plenty of older men in their 60's and 70s with high nitric oxide flow (their veins pop out). They also maintain a full and strong facial structure. They even have little to no wrinkles.
Only thing is that their skin looks older (probably due to sun exposure over the years).

Am I correct in my observations?
PFS is not aging?
This also leads me to think that men who develop and have little to no nitric oxide flow are imbalanced...may have even inherited it? And or continued the same unhealthy dietary habits from their parents? It's difficult to say which is in effect, maybe a little of both?

 

[TubZy]

@Helen to put it in perspective, @Walker recovered from PFS but he did not have hair loss prior to going on saw palmetto (he went on due to prostate issue, not for balding) and recovered from PFS and still has his hair without hair loss. He took saw palmetto and got PFS and then cured his PFS with CDnuts protocol, multivitamin, R-andro etc. but he did not get put into that unbalanced body chemistry of super oily skin, hair loss etc. like most ppl have prior to going on fin after getting cured. Because people can get "PFS" without a hair loss body chemistry from things like deca/fin/dut/saw P/fenugreek etc. that take that stuff for prostate issues, to build muscle etc and not just for hair loss purposes.

So maybe it is possible to get cured from PFS without landing back in the same body chemistry you were prior to taking finasteride for hair loss (like the balding unbalanced body chemistry) possibly other ways than TEI?

 

[Helen]

@Helen to put it in perspective, @Walker recovered from PFS but he did not have hair loss prior to going on saw palmetto (he went on due to prostate issue, not for balding) and recovered from PFS and still has his hair without hair loss. He took saw palmetto and got PFS and then cured his PFS with CDnuts protocol, multivitamin, R-andro etc. but he did not get put into that unbalanced body chemistry of super oily skin, hair loss etc. like most ppl have prior to going on fin after getting cured. Because people can get "PFS" without a hair loss body chemistry from things like deca/fin/dut/saw P/fenugreek etc. that take that stuff for prostate issues, to build muscle etc and not just for hair loss purposes.

So maybe it is possible to get cured from PFS without landing back in the same body chemistry you were prior to taking finasteride for hair loss (like the balding unbalanced body chemistry) possibly other ways than TEI?

I do'n't get your logic , the guy who is not prone to hairloss. just manipulates his AR with saw palmetto and does not get hairloss. He probably would have recovered without any protocols at all if he did not have hairloss. If he had prostate problems, and did not have hairloss, that means he is not prone to hairloss at all, since androgens were effecting his prostate but not hair.


Saw palmetto is no finasteride for one. Much much easier imbalance. may be someone does not lose hair when they recover. or may be they are not even recovered. just masking some symptoms.

Cdnuts got bald, light at the end got bald. after recovery. May be if someone is not prone for hairloss at all, then they can keep hair.


Usually if people have prostate problems, they are balding. and you should not get PFS if you just take fin. or saw palmetto. and you are not balding.

Since that means your glutathione system was working fine. why would you get PFS.

 

[TubZy]

Saw palmetto is no finasteride for one. Much much easier imbalance. may be someone does not lose hair when they recover. or may be they are not even recovered. just masking some symptoms.

Cdnuts got bald, light at the end got bald. after recovery. May be if someone is not prone for hairloss at all, then they can keep hair.

What about deca though, isn't deca a progestin and does the same thing as fin in regards to putting the body in a PFS state but there is no hair loss involved. There was a guy who got PFS from a deca cycle on SS. Also, if they are not prone to hair loss, do you mean that hair loss is genetic or a just a metabolism imbalance? Meaning people who are not prone to hair loss will always have a perfect metabolism their entire life with no imbalances? I do agree that many people did go back to their previous hair shedding state recovering though

 

[Helen]

What about deca though, isn't deca a progestin and does the same thing as fin in regards to putting the body in a PFS state but there is no hair loss involved. There was a guy who got PFS from a deca cycle on SS. Also, if they are not prone to hair loss, do you mean that hair loss is genetic or a just a metabolism imbalance? Meaning people who are not prone to hair loss will always have a perfect metabolism their entire life with no imbalances? I do agree that many people did go back to their previous hair shedding state recovering though

deca converts into nandrolone decanoate which circulated for 9 months. blocking DHT


Hairloss is glutathione problem. If your glutathione system is fine, you should not even get PFS.


Too many people call other things PFS.

Like on some other forums. people called PFS PFS, but they had other problems.


Not only people go to their previous hair shedding state, they get into super accelerated state. since skin AR is highly overexpressed.


this is why they cant' fix their PFS. since anything they do just causes hairloss, and they don't go into that direction. but how would you downregulate AR)


like Goose , when he went on andro, hairloss was insane. His whole scalp was on fire.

but most people would see a little shedding and they wont go that route.


Hairloss is imbalance of iron, copper, and manganese zinc system and also b vitamins.


As I mentioned , people do want to get rid of PFS, but they dont want to lose their hair))


Look at the old timers, like light at the end, and cdnuts. Hairloss was welcome in their book, when they were recovering, they were looking and were guided by hairloss.

And now look at people here. some shedding, and they stop the program and look for stuff which stops the shedding.) this is why they are not recovered.


like ihatefin. I mean where is the balding in that guy? there are no signs of balding at all. means his glutathione system is fine.

I mean something made him take fin. since he thought he was losing hair. and now may be something tells him that he had PFS, when he really does not.

Since the chance of getting PFS with full head of hair.is low.

May be just some sugar imbalance or metabolism went into overdrive.

 

[Helen]

@Boris but returning to your question, is it possible to cure PFS and keep the hair. the answer is yes.

For instance, B2 is curing hairloss in people. and curing PFS at the same time))

 

[TubZy]

deca converts into nandrolone decanoate which circulated for 9 months. blocking DHT


Hairloss is glutathione problem. If your glutathione system is fine, you should not even get PFS.


Too many people call other things PFS.

Like on some other forums. people called PFS PFS, but they had other problems.


Not only people go to their previous hair shedding state, they get into super accelerated state. since skin AR is highly overexpressed.


this is why they cant' fix their PFS. since anything they do just causes hairloss, and they don't go into that direction. but how would you downregulate AR)


like Goose , when he went on andro, hairloss was insane. His whole scalp was on fire.

but most people would see a little shedding and they wont go that route.


Hairloss is imbalance of iron, copper, and manganese zinc system and also b vitamins.


As I mentioned , people do want to get rid of PFS, but they dont want to lose their hair))


Look at the old timers, like light at the end, and cdnuts. Hairloss was welcome in their book, when they were recovering, they were looking and were guided by hairloss.

And now look at people here. some shedding, and they stop the program and look for stuff which stops the shedding.) this is why they are not recovered.


like ihatefin. I mean where is the balding in that guy? there are no signs of balding at all. means his glutathione system is fine.

I mean something made him take fin. since he thought he was losing hair. and now may be something tells him that he had PFS, when he really does not.

Since the chance of getting PFS with full head of hair.is low.

May be just some sugar imbalance or metabolism went into overdrive.

Regarding deca, I was talking about this guy who had pfs type symptoms from deca for 8 years so it shouldn't be circulating in his system it is over 9 months ))
SAME Symptoms after Nandrolone use!

Also, so you think people that do not have hair loss in their family (not prone to it) will never become imbalanced in their life and get hair loss? Like their glutathionine system is genetically better than others that is why they do not have hair loss in their family?

 

[TubZy]

@Boris but returning to your question, is it possible to cure PFS and keep the hair. the answer is yes.

For instance, B2 is curing hairloss in people. and curing PFS at the same time))

Just from glutathionine support right? I assume from clearing out the liver, but the benefits come after you are done taking B2 right, not while on it? ))

 

[Helen]

Regarding deca, I was talking about this guy who had pfs type symptoms from deca for 8 years so it shouldn't be circulating in his system it is over 9 months ))
SAME Symptoms after Nandrolone use!

Also, so you think people that do not have hair loss in their family (not prone to it) will never become imbalanced in their life and get hair loss? Like their glutathionine system is genetically better than others that is why they do not have hair loss in their family?

Unless they keep screwing with bad diets, steroids, and meds, YES

 

[Helen]

Just from glutathionine support right? I assume from clearing out the liver, but the benefits come after you are done taking B2 right, not while on it? ))

b2 clears copper , iron from the cells. since all ATPAses work on b2.

Like wilsons disease = B2 deficiency, hemochromatosis,= b2 deficiency.

this is why electrolytes protocol is helping people. SInce it has everything to support detox.

and liver flushes also help.

Fin impair bile flow. so you cna have toxicities just from keeping shit in your bile

 

[TubZy]

b2 clears copper , iron from the cells. since all ATPAses work on b2.

Like wilsons disease = B2 deficiency, hemochromatosis,= b2 deficiency.

this is why electrolytes protocol is helping people. SInce it has everything to support detox.

and liver flushes also help.

Fin impair bile flow. so you cna have toxicities just from keeping shit in your bile

So B2 clears copper from the liver, but what about other tissue like brain and stuff? Would B2 only compare to TEI in terms of clearing copper out?

 

[Helen]

So B2 clears copper from the liver, but what about other tissue like brain and stuff? Would B2 only compare to TEI in terms of clearing copper out?

I said b2 clears copper iron oxidized from the cell. since it is part of ATpases , brain included.

that is why they put parkinsons people on b2 to clear iron out of the brain.

but it is better to support all systems. since b2 alone could cause imbalances.

 

[TubZy]

Since that means your glutathione system was working fine. why would you get PFS.

However, don't other things mess with glutathionine systems that don't cause hair loss? Like viruses (mono/EBV), lyme disease, cancers etc. but many of those people aren't balding or losing hair. For example, growing up many teenagers or younger adults I knew got mono and they are not balding, isn't that an issue with the glutathionine system ))

 

[Helen]

However, don't other things mess with glutathionine systems that don't cause hair loss? Like viruses (mono/EBV), lyme disease, cancers etc. but many of those people aren't balding or losing hair. For example, growing up many teenagers or younger adults I knew got mono and they are not balding, isn't that an issue with the glutathionine system ))

Lyme disease wastes your arginine. so you dont even produce nitric oxide.

EBV also activates arginase.

If it is big enough you will be balding.



balding is a the imbalance of copper, iron manganese metabolism, along with B vitamins.


You have have high nitric oxide and bald. since it will create free radicals, since there is no SODS

you can have zero nitric oxide and bald, since there is no circulation.


You can be iron or copper toxic or def and bald


there are no tons of imbalances which can cause balding.


Like woman in menopause they are balding. why


Since now they cant deliver iron into the tissue


Probably their menopause is happened since they overloaded copper in the brain, and now estradiol falls and boom iron stays in the liver, just like men


this is why you get hairloss from jerking off too much and those compulsive masturbators are balding. since they simply stop iron delivery into the tissue. and copper delivery into the tissue, since they are low on zinc and manganese

 

[TubZy]

I said b2 clears copper iron oxidized from the cell. since it is part of ATpases , brain included.

that is why they put parkinsons people on b2 to clear iron out of the brain.

but it is better to support all systems. since b2 alone could cause imbalances.

I see, but doesn't B1 treat parkinsons as well? And don't people do better on b1 versus b2 though and vice versa? I guess it depends on body chemistry, reason is b/c everyone seems to talk about B1 being for parkinsons
An open-label pilot study with high-dose thiamine in Parkinson's disease