HIGH and LOW DHT and PFS cases ( protocols , explanations, theories)
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Have to stock up! But androhard gel is good to, if they are still making it.
I think shbg is high to counteract high dht but I could be completely off. Are your bloods on here?
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I think it could be the cure for both but maybe some would benifits with different cofactors with it, like b3.
I already voted.
I felt good on ella and bad off, and I felt bad on randro and slightly off. Some benefits on andro were harder erection and more ejaculate but mood, energy, hair, and labido were terrible on.
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Also we need to test that herb that Joe mentioned DHM. seems like an interesting herb . I'm going to test it on some POIS people.
and PFS people , especially the ones who have intolerance to alcohol, I wonder if they feel better or worse on it. May be it would give us more clues on exact balance of people.
and PFS people , especially the ones who have intolerance to alcohol, I wonder if they feel better or worse on it. May be it would give us more clues on exact balance of people.
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As far as running hormones, it is all good and stuff, but as we saw on some tests from Walker. body chemistry is completely utterly fucked afterwards.
Would be interesting to see Cdnuts or some other peoples hairtests after Cdnuts protocol, I suspect it would look the same.
It seems it speeds up some compensatory system like crazy. and all minerals just go Insane.
may be the problem is that some people use gaba agonist. where they needed DHT or testosterone and vice versa.
Like they would use r andro, which could modulate gaba and DHT.
They fix their DHT but fuck their gaba even worse.
And then just like Walker= gaba problems. fixed DHT.
and just like Jacknap= also gaba problems( cant sleep, ) but seems fixed DHT.
This is why r andro it seems cant be a fix for both cases if we look at the hairtests that we got.
in cases of Walker and Jacknap, it seems it fixed DHT problems, but did not fix gaba problem.
We do have these 2 problems in my opinion and people should play around with gaba agonist gaba antagonist and see which one makes them feel better
same with DHT. and better I mean on the snap back.
@Goose12 as we saw on your tests, the body also loses tons of minerals to fit the current receptor density , so without those minerals back it would be hard to restore the body chemistry, it would just not hold.
that is why TEI could have permanent improvements if their protocol is correct.
Bottom line, it is not always the things that make you feel better are the correct things for your bodychemistry.
Meaning that some people wiht blocked AR by progesterone, can keep upregulating their AR like crazy and feel better doing this.( and it is very hard to convince those people that it is not a cure) may be just by showing them their hairtest.
but then they will be stuck in some wicked bodychemistry where they are all stilted up in all the places. and thus body chemistry is so fucked
and cant hold those stilts steady( like crazy 4 highs, or 4 lows stilts))
Would be interesting to see Cdnuts or some other peoples hairtests after Cdnuts protocol, I suspect it would look the same.
It seems it speeds up some compensatory system like crazy. and all minerals just go Insane.
may be the problem is that some people use gaba agonist. where they needed DHT or testosterone and vice versa.
Like they would use r andro, which could modulate gaba and DHT.
They fix their DHT but fuck their gaba even worse.
And then just like Walker= gaba problems. fixed DHT.
and just like Jacknap= also gaba problems( cant sleep, ) but seems fixed DHT.
This is why r andro it seems cant be a fix for both cases if we look at the hairtests that we got.
in cases of Walker and Jacknap, it seems it fixed DHT problems, but did not fix gaba problem.
We do have these 2 problems in my opinion and people should play around with gaba agonist gaba antagonist and see which one makes them feel better
same with DHT. and better I mean on the snap back.
@Goose12 as we saw on your tests, the body also loses tons of minerals to fit the current receptor density , so without those minerals back it would be hard to restore the body chemistry, it would just not hold.
that is why TEI could have permanent improvements if their protocol is correct.
Bottom line, it is not always the things that make you feel better are the correct things for your bodychemistry.
Meaning that some people wiht blocked AR by progesterone, can keep upregulating their AR like crazy and feel better doing this.( and it is very hard to convince those people that it is not a cure) may be just by showing them their hairtest.
but then they will be stuck in some wicked bodychemistry where they are all stilted up in all the places. and thus body chemistry is so fucked
and cant hold those stilts steady( like crazy 4 highs, or 4 lows stilts))
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Guys, also this was just a draft and I hope I did not get cases mixed up, since it is so complex.
This is why it would be best if some people with blood tests, try
1) gaba agonists
2) gaba antagonist( this DHM is interesting in this respect)
3) DHT or test
We know some folks got cured by GHB. but the questions is are they still taking it? or they took the cycle and got cured.
many folks mix the CURE with feeling good while taking something and it gets very confusing this way.
CURE is when you take nothing . and you have farely balanced hairtest, meaning no 4 highs and no 4 lows.
since it is much easier to go into 4 highs or 4 lows and feel more balanced as far as oxidation goes. and call this cure, it is not.
SO it would be very helpful if someone tries to play with their gaba receptor.
You see we also dont know how r andro effects the receptor. is it an agonist of the receptor or it actually increases the density of the receptor or it increases action of GABA on the receptor.
same as allopregnenolone, is it just an agonist of GABA A receptor or it increases the density of it. or it increases gaba action on the receptor
based on this information we should know if we want to use agonist or antagonist of gaba
Usually gaba increases calcium. so people with high calcium should have high gaba action. But it also could be that high calcium actually inhibits gaba action.
This is why urecholine helps people with PSSD since it lowers calcium by increasing acetylcholine.
That is why it is very important that people get tested and then experiment so they can help the others if succesful.
Since as we know people react to things completely differently with different outcomes.
some get a little btter on anavar, others get worse on anavar etc while off of it. as an example.
This is why it would be best if some people with blood tests, try
1) gaba agonists
2) gaba antagonist( this DHM is interesting in this respect)
3) DHT or test
We know some folks got cured by GHB. but the questions is are they still taking it? or they took the cycle and got cured.
many folks mix the CURE with feeling good while taking something and it gets very confusing this way.
CURE is when you take nothing . and you have farely balanced hairtest, meaning no 4 highs and no 4 lows.
since it is much easier to go into 4 highs or 4 lows and feel more balanced as far as oxidation goes. and call this cure, it is not.
SO it would be very helpful if someone tries to play with their gaba receptor.
You see we also dont know how r andro effects the receptor. is it an agonist of the receptor or it actually increases the density of the receptor or it increases action of GABA on the receptor.
same as allopregnenolone, is it just an agonist of GABA A receptor or it increases the density of it. or it increases gaba action on the receptor
based on this information we should know if we want to use agonist or antagonist of gaba
Usually gaba increases calcium. so people with high calcium should have high gaba action. But it also could be that high calcium actually inhibits gaba action.
This is why urecholine helps people with PSSD since it lowers calcium by increasing acetylcholine.
That is why it is very important that people get tested and then experiment so they can help the others if succesful.
Since as we know people react to things completely differently with different outcomes.
some get a little btter on anavar, others get worse on anavar etc while off of it. as an example.
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test, meaning Trying them
So @Helen since a bunch of us are running TEI, do you see this as running along side of it, or replacing it? Or if we are running TEI, we should just give that a year? I just got genetic Testing done, and it’s interesting. I found out that my pathways essentially show that I will never be DHT dominant. So I would imagine I have always had low DHT, but am at risk of being estrogen dominant. I have very little body hair etc. My guess is that I fall in the naturally low DHT camp. And yet, somehow, harioss found its way to me.....
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Copper toxicity could cause hairloss easy. I wonder how did it show that you should never DHT dominant, and also did you test your hormones at all.
Go easy on gaba antagonists, in clinical setting they are rarely used anymore as they induce seizures. Probany Go herbs first
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DHM looks interesting. which is gaba antagonist. it is not like people will sit on them. gaba antagonist upregulates Gaba.
Hadnt heard about dhm before joe’s post, curious to hear ppl’s experiences
Apparently the genetic pathway that controls the T—>DHT conversion and how you are genetically predisposed to produce and convert. Also, it showed I am a super fast waster of Testosterone. In essence the doc said that my body wastes and expels it before I can use all I need to use. I forget where my DHT was when I was tested last year, but test was low. 419 I believe.
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which test did you do? 23andme?
No. Youtrients. I was warned against 23andMe
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Bacopa I think upregulates GABA as well