HIGH and LOW DHT and PFS cases ( protocols , explanations, theories)

[Helen]

DHM is gaba antagonist.

 

[Helen]

Hahaha, if you feel terrible on alcohol, just become a drunk and cure PFS))


I felt terrible on alcohol in PFS. I could not get drunk at all , and also alcohol caused weird adrenaline activation and just a little hyperactive feeling with mind not being able to stop. Also I totally lost the urge to drink in PFS and before PFS had a tendency to drink too much. SO finasteride fixed the alcoholism ))

@Boris also feels like that also


On propeciahelp we see also 2 cases, with people having total intolerance to alco and people feeling better on it.


same with POIS people, some people feel totally cured on alcohol, and some people feel worse.


I am going to try DHM with some of the POIS people and try to figure out which case is which .


Same as with estrogen, some people feel totally better blocking estro and some feel terrible doing it. and do better on soya and stuff.

And some people got PFS from soya.


so as we can see it depends on body chemistry how the body reacts to stuff,

thus we have a huge advantage since we can use hairtests to classify ourselves

This is is why it is so important to test yourself and know who are you and what your balance is , since even if you cure yourself your information can be totally worthless for other people. And actually can hurt some people.

 

[Goose12]

Good one. I felt better after drinking alcohol, in the hangover. When I drank alcohol by itself nothing worth noting. But for two days after I felt very good.

@RebelWithACause Alcohol is your cure for gaba issues lol.

@Admiral you need a gaba antagonist, ghb and alcohol will make you worse. But it could depend on what you drink. If you are drinking beer with hops it would increase estrogen also. That would explain why @brix feels better during and after getting drunk.

Vodka would be the best way to test gaba

 

[Admiral]

@RebelWithACause
@Admiral you need a gaba antagonist, ghb and alcohol will make you worse. But it could depend on what you drink. If you are drinking beer with hops it would increase estrogen also. That would explain why @brix feels better during and after getting drunk.

Vodka would be the best way to test gaba

I honestly think my GABA-system is just fine. Never had problems with depressions, mood, anxiety, whatsoever. These past years were just rough on me because PFS has deteriorated my body.

GHB doesn't make me worse. I have the same response to GHB and alcohol as normal people do. My EQ just becomes a little worse. Somehow I wake up with a much better complexion on my face, which I've always linked to increased estrogen. Same reason why DHEA made me look good, because it increased my E right before it crashes me. Now on an estrogen antagonist again with TEI and my face looks very dull.

I wish I could increase E just so I look healthier. I would have much more confidence, patience and I'd deal with this mess much better as a whole.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I honestly think my GABA-system is just fine. Never had problems with depressions, mood, anxiety, whatsoever. These past years were just rough on me because PFS has deteriorated my body.

GHB doesn't make me worse. I have the same response to GHB and alcohol as normal people do. My EQ just becomes a little worse. Somehow I wake up with a much better complexion on my face, which I've always linked to increased estrogen. Same reason why DHEA made me look good, because it increased my E right before it crashes me. Now on an estrogen antagonist again with TEI and my face looks very dull.

I wish I could increase E just so I look healthier. I would have much more confidence, patience and I'd deal with this mess much better as a whole.

You have to block estrogen so it becomes more sensitive. So now you feel bad but afterwards you should feel better. Because then your receptors will react better, even to lower estrogen. Since you do not have a lot of hormonal output making your receptors more sensitive will be beneficial.

This means you need less hormones for the same effect.

Everything you feel and look better on is most likely a stilt and might be the opposite of what you need to do. Especially if it is instant.

I am currently experiencing pretty low estrogen symptoms on this TEI cycle: irritation, no emotions, no pleasure, tiredness, feel like a grandpa (joints, weakness in the gym). I do not look great. But I would guess after this run I will feel better.

BTW if you drink alcohol and you do not feel better on it but you feel better in the hangover this means you react better to lower GABA right? After you drink alcohol your GABA drops the next day and day after that from what I know. This is why some people feel depressed in hangover. While I feel better.

 

[Helen]

You have to block estrogen so it becomes more sensitive. So now you feel bad but afterwards you should feel better. Because then your receptors will react better, even to lower estrogen. Since you do not have a lot of hormonal output making your receptors more sensitive will be beneficial.

This means you need less hormones for the same effect.

Everything you feel and look better on is most likely a stilt and might be the opposite of what you need to do. Especially if it is instant.

I am currently experiencing pretty low estrogen symptoms on this TEI cycle: irritation, no emotions, no pleasure, tiredness, feel like a grandpa (joints, weakness in the gym). I do not look great. But I would guess after this run I will feel better.

BTW if you drink alcohol and you do not feel better on it but you feel better in the hangover this means you react better to lower GABA right? After you drink alcohol your GABA drops the next day and day after that from what I know. This is why some people feel depressed in hangover. While I feel better.

As I mentioned in the first post. If DHT is too sensitive in his case, this lowers his 5AR and axis and also gaba action that is why he feels better on gaba.( but gaba is not a problem on its own.)

that is why if people upregulate gaba receptor in this scenario they would feel better as a stilt

 

[Helen]

@RebelWithACause and others also, I am not sure about these cases, since we know that gaba effects LH.

and it could be that sensitive gaba lets say can inhibit LH.


so the cases could be totally inverted.

 

[hairsuit]

@RebelWithACause Alcohol is your cure for gaba issues lol.

@Admiral you need a gaba antagonist, ghb and alcohol will make you worse. But it could depend on what you drink. If you are drinking beer with hops it would increase estrogen also. That would explain why @brix feels better during and after getting drunk.

Vodka would be the best way to test gaba

I remember when I was still having brain fog issues, the first time I dealt with PFS, I told my wife that the only time I felt what I considered to be “normal” was after I had a few glasses of wine. This is so fascinating to finally have confirmation as to why that was....

 

[Jaxx]

DHM is gaba antagonist.

its interesting that the risk of seizues does not seem to apply to dhm. most research seems to be on mice and rats so far however.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause and others also, I am not sure about these cases, since we know that gaba effects LH.

and it could be that sensitive gaba lets say can inhibit LH.


so the cases could be totally inverted.

This is why I think TEI could be the best choice right now since you hit it from a lot of angles. At least you have something to go by. The rest is just random. Maybe for some guys finasteride fucks with DHT making it too sensitive. Others maybe estrogen.

Maybe some fast oxidizers already had higher estrogen and lower DHT but had copper toxicity causing hairloss -> they take finasteride estrogen becomes even more and your body gets used to higher than baseline estrogen. Receptors adapt to it.

Then anything below it will feel like you are low(er) estrogen or even crashed estrogen. You get the dry skin, low sensitivity in the penis, irritation, no emotions, depression and unable to get muscle pumps from lack of effect of estrogen.

For example when some guys go on TRT they feel good until they use an AI. After the AI all benefits are gone and do not seem to return. Same happened to me on the first round. I only took 1 MICRO dosage of AI and I felt crashed estrogen for weeks.

This is just speculation. I think you talked about this similar in the past.

For example right now I would bet my estrogen is on the low side frm the TEI. I have almost no muscle pumps in the gym. Weakness in the gym, etc.

 

[Helen]

This is why I think TEI could be the best choice right now since you hit it from a lot of angles. At least you have something to go by. The rest is just random. Maybe for some guys finasteride fucks with DHT making it too sensitive. Others maybe estrogen.

Maybe some fast oxidizers already had higher estrogen and lower DHT but had copper toxicity causing hairloss -> they take finasteride estrogen becomes even more and your body gets used to higher than baseline estrogen. Receptors adapt to it.

Then anything below it will feel like you are low(er) estrogen or even crashed estrogen. You get the dry skin, low sensitivity in the penis, irritation, no emotions, depression and unable to get muscle pumps from lack of effect of estrogen.

For example when some guys go on TRT they feel good until they use an AI. After the AI all benefits are gone and do not seem to return. Same happened to me on the first round. I only took 1 MICRO dosage of AI and I felt crashed estrogen for weeks.

This is just speculation. I think you talked about this similar in the past.

For example right now I would bet my estrogen is on the low side frm the TEI. I have almost no muscle pumps in the gym. Weakness in the gym, etc.

Yes, as I wrote , fin does both to estro and DHT and the same time. Estro is a problem also.


Estro slows oxidation rate by killing thyroid usually

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx Butyrate is very popular in russia, some total morons overload on it.

look at what gaba overload does to you)))


I can't believe this moron actually DROVE the car

 

[Admiral]

@Jaxx Butyrate is very popular in russia, some total morons overload on it.

look at what gaba overload does to you)))

That guy feels like a million bucks.

I can act like that while I take too much GHB. One time I took my pants down in a room full with people and danced while I swung my peepee. Once I realised what was doing it shocked me and I was embarrassed. Took another shot and it happened again an hour later haha.

Weird stuff, but you feel awesome.

 

[Jaxx]

Looks healthy lmao

 

[Admiral]

Yes, as I wrote , fin does both to estro and DHT and the same time. Estro is a problem also.


Estro slows oxidation rate by killing thyroid usually

After this TEI cycle I am going to try low dose R-Andro along with some form of estrogen. Not sure which one yet..

 

[Helen]

@Admiral hahah, man if you got to the point where you took your pants off, which is very usual thing to do on GHB, I saw a lot of people on GHB walk around butt naked on the street))


this is all fun and stuff, but you do fuck your gaba and all other systems with all of this stuff.

and PFS could be the least of your problems.

 

[Admiral]

I know. Luckily I live healthy and feel that my GABA-system is just fine. These past few years it only happens once a year. But I sure make 'm count..

 

[Jaxx]

I know. Luckily I live healthy and feel that my GABA-system is just fine. These past few years it only happens once a year. But I sure make 'm count..

Gaba mediates emotions and other neurotransmitters as well. Emotion numbness could be gaba related so i wonder if you can conclude its fine already?

 

[Helen]

Gaba mediates emotions and other neurotransmitters as well. Emotion numbness could be gaba related so i wonder if you can conclude its fine already?

Emotional numbness is estrogen related.

Gaba increases calcium which slows down thyroid.

when thyroid is slow, estrogen is not allowed.( biounavailable copper)


That is why estrogen could be used for PSSD, to actually force copper in, which will downregulate gaba.

And this is why acetylcholine works, or thyroid since both lower calcium and increase estrogen


when your cell is calcified you feel NOTHING

 

[freeflow]

After this TEI cycle I am going to try low dose R-Andro along with some form of estrogen. Not sure which one yet..

Try R andro with copper and potassium. Copper decreased the horrible low E symptoms, I got insane lethargy on R andro, same goes for vitamin E.
And potassium will save you from dying.