ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Jamie]

are you sure about that? Because i'm quite sure that I started shedding all over the MPB area, just that it is more visible on top of the head. Could be same with you. Do you have anyone with MPB in your family?

The area shedding appears is a place where there is no muscle on a head. Just look at any picture showing what is beneath skin on the head. So called MPB area is a place that there is no muscles on a head. Check graphic on google. People with TE loose hair on that area also, but the process is a bit different. My brother has thick fantastic hair, father has always had, but recently he started diffuse shedding(he is 55). To be honest I don't think that there is something like mysterious balding gene that some people inherit from no reason and other don't. Company selling fin earn 400mld$ annualy so for them it is better we still believe in their theory and buy their sh*t.

 

[Orion]

Guys, does anyone else get hairloss when they take copper?

On day 5 of taking 1mg copper and stack to reduce histamine, has not stopped my shedding, could even be increasing it for me hard to tell, but the thinning continues for now...

 

[Canari]

I think we need to create labs and hairtest section.

It exists already.... or do you mean something different?
Also the topic about what tests to do for zinc finger is there now.

Lab Results & Hair Analysis

 

[Helen]

People who are taking copper etc route. Please read what you need to take with copper . since taking copper alone or with cysteines, or any other made up stuff by yourself, will not lead to fixing hairloss and PFS at the same time.

Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16)


I outlined two cases. People seem not to read this thread. @Scenes taking copper with methionine = NO HAIRLOSS< taking made up protocols with cysteine= hairloss.

If you think you can just take some random part of stuff and get cured, it is silly

Read the hairloss patents outlined on the first page also.


So you have 4 choices


manganese zinc histidine or inositol route


copper magnesium potassium methionine selenium , vitamin D. etc route

And 2 patents outlined on the first page

Or the full zinc finger protocol.



We have many people already posted that for those who fit manganese zinc route everything works. Read the messages.. I think @TubZy should post them. PFS people usually do not fit that route. since they already impaired themselves up with fin. That route is for normal people not post PFS.


PFS people usually will need to combine 2 methods at the same time. not to lose hair. Since they were forced into higher oxidation by FIN.


I am trying things now with several people, so when they are balanced and fixed we will post the protocols, so NO REASON TO RISK and take random stuff now. THIS IS STILL A DISCUSSION

 

[Orion]

I'm fast oxidizer with TE and PE. I'm taking minerals mentioned by @gbolduev, do not take cysteine but recently I started taking methionine and it is a real game changer for me. I think that it is far to early to give a firm testimonial, but it may be helpful in further research. Since I added methionine, it definitely lowered my really bad PE (typicall 3 seconds man :/ ), hair shed is definitely stopped or way decreased, finally I don't have that shitty oily skin on my forehead and don't have such alcohol intolerance.

Just saw this post as gbolduev quoted it in another thread, @Jamie how much methionine were you taking? thanks

 

[Helen]

Just saw this post as gbolduev quoted it in another thread, @Jamie how much methionine were you taking? thanks

I posted all the dosages for you . in that other thread.

 

[Blue88]

I posted all the dosages for you . in that other thread.

I have high calcium, so you advised not to use Vit D. Can it be excluded from the above protocol in my case?

 

[Helen]

I have high calcium, so you advised not to use Vit D. Can it be excluded from the above protocol in my case?

what are you talking about. this protocol was for Orion. he is post accutane.

are you PFS. or accutane? This is so confusing. Normal people mixed with accutane and pfs people fixing things. we need to separate this stuff.

It is all different for people.

 

[PFStinks]

@gbolduev I've experimented with raising and lowering my DHT levels to see what category of PFS I fit into, and I've noticed Im a better responder to zinc. If zinc makes me feel better would I fit the standard PFS case or do you think my zinc finger has been upregulated? SO dexamethasone + progesterone vs cysteine + histidine...

 

[Helen]

Wait, we have to get a hair transplant in order to resolve accutane problems with copper and cystein taken together? I'm back on finasteride that's what you told us to do right?

I told someone to go on finasteride? LOL you are kidding right?

Accutane is not PFS> this is PFS thread. people should stop mixing all this. Accutane is different, and i have no idea how to fix it yet. we are experimenting.

Copper and cysteine? what protocol is that? where do you see that?

 

[PFStinks]

I have PFS and found that I felt slightly better on zinc, but am looking to feel even better.

I'm going to try experiment with NAC Cysteine, Copper, Electrolytes, and eat some naturally testosterone boosting foods and see how I feel.
Cysteine + Copper worked for @Scenes so I'm going to see what it does for me. I know this isn't even half of what @gbolduev is looking into but it doesn't hurt to try.
I'll post results after a few days.

Edit: I've heard that zinc helps people with the type of PFS that's rooted in an overload of DHT, so testosterone boosting foods might seem counter-intuitive; but I've researched that sulforaphane in broccoli sprouts encourages DHT to break apart faster. So eating testosterone enducing foods + broccolli sprouts should in theory give me more testosterone but also DHT with a shorter "half-life" so to speak. Haven't tried it yet. Doesn't seem like a cure but I hope maintaining these levels will give my body a chance to sort itself out.

 

[Helen]

I have PFS and found that I felt slightly better on zinc, but am looking to feel even better.

I'm going to try experiment with NAC Cysteine, Copper, Electrolytes, and eat some naturally testosterone boosting foods and see how I feel.
Cysteine + Copper worked for @Scenes so I'm going to see what it does for me. I know this isn't even half of what @gbolduev is looking into but it doesn't hurt to try.
I'll post results after a few days.

Edit: I've heard that zinc helps people with the type of PFS that's rooted in an overload of DHT, so testosterone boosting foods might seem counter-intuitive; but I've researched that sulforaphane in broccoli sprouts encourages DHT to break apart faster. So eating testosterone enducing foods + broccolli sprouts should in theory give me more testosterone but also DHT with a shorter "half-life" so to speak. Haven't tried it yet. Doesn't seem like a cure but I hope maintaining these levels will give my body a chance to sort itself out.

I posted what you need to take with copper, otherwise you will tank your thyroid. scenes did not take copper and cysteine. I have no idea why you are saying this/ he took copper magnesium ptoassium for 2 weeks, and then he took manganese and zinc for a week. and then added cysteine , and then just took copper and cysteine, and tanked his thyroid

where people come up with these protocols I have no clue. the protocols are outlined just 5 posts higher ,

 

[PFStinks]

I posted what you need to take with copper, otherwise you will tank your thyroid. scenes did not take copper and cysteine. I have no idea why you are saying this/ he took copper magnesium ptoassium for 2 weeks, and then he took manganese and zinc for a week. and then added cysteine , and then just took copper and cysteine, and tanked his thyroid

where people come up with these protocols I have no clue. the protocols are outlined just 5 posts higher ,

Sorry I misread some stuff... I'll just blame the brainfog. In that case I'm going to try Copper + magnesium + potassium + methionine, + selenium + vitamin D because all that stuff is readily available in supplement stores. Is there any information for the ratios, how much of each is recommended?

Edit: Perhaps the HCL versions are better but the over the counter version couldn't hurt?

 

[tfcjesse]

Sorry I misread some stuff... I'll just blame the brainfog. In that case I'm going to try Copper + magnesium + potassium + methionine, + selenium + vitamin D because all that stuff is readily available in supplement stores. Is there any information for the ratios, how much of each is recommended?

Edit: Perhaps the HCL versions are better but the over the counter version couldn't hurt?

Read/search the thread before overloading him with questions already answered... gbol has recommended formulas that contain all of those supplements in one.

 

[Canari]

WE should explore 2 cases, supersensitive cortisol and cortisol resistance.

I think it is a matter of upregulated or downregulated . Upregulated or downregulated zinc finger. For some crazy reason, everyone just thinks that they need to increase zinc finger.

Read carefully what I wrote in the first post. UPREGULATED or downregulated. That is why I guess if cortisol is too sensitive you can have protein wasting hairloss, and if cortisol is insensitive you can have androgenic hairloss.

those 2 x 2 cases are related or not? Are cortisol and zinc finger linked? If guys know in what they fit for one, does it gove t other? Or both must be tested?

 

[Helen]

those 2 x 2 cases are related or not? Are cortisol and zinc finger linked? If guys know in what they fit for one, does it gove t other? Or both must be tested?

PFS people should combine 2 cases in one. Fast and slow oxidizer, I am getting to a complete protocol. Coming soon.

 

[Canari]

PFS people should combine 2 cases in one. Fast and slow oxidizer

What is difficult to understand is what goes with what.... Will all slows be in the same case? And all fasts in another one?

Are all slows having all the time cortisol resistance? (as they benefit from fasting...)

 

[Helen]

What is difficult to understand is what goes with what.... Will all slows be in the same case? And all fasts in another one?

Are all slows having all the time cortisol resistance? (as they benefit from fasting...)

You wont need to understand anything after protocols will be outlined. I posted these theories to discuss with people the THEORIES, but no one is really discussing anything here, theoretically, people are just waiting for protocols, so there is no SENSE or reason of these threads. I just need 2 people from each group of a disorders to fix personally, and then just post protocols.

Since I dont want to answer questions 24/7 on this thread or any other thread. about some people experimenting with random protocols.

 

[IHateFin]

So some people should try histidine and see what it does to their libido

what does histidine specifically do that helps stimulate the libido? i read it being a precursor to histamine which i thought was not that good? didnt look into it too too much tho haha

 

[Canari]

ok then better! Just post here if something is missing so that guys know what they have to test....

What to test, for zinc finger