POTENTIAL explanation for PFS.

Walker

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So Dr Powers’ theory is pretty much what Helen mentioned in this specific thread. His theory as of why pfs happens is pretty much a given now. Finding the cure is his next goal. The chemical castration seems to have worked, but time and some adjustment is needed.

In the meantime, Helen’s ideas (and Talkedout’s) posted in this thread should definitely gain way more attention now.
 

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Yes, it does make sense. Also what Helen says about finasteride not being metabolized out. I had years of low DHT after stopping finasteride. Until I didn't anymore after doing a bunch of protocols and I was back in my old situation. Which was also flawed. In some ways it was better in PFS certain things. Except for the insane anxiety and lack of emotions/libido/ability to connect. I was more levelheaded even with the anxiety. Once I got out of PFS I became more like my old self I got angry faster and even my old depression came back. PFS I was depressed for other reasons. Out of PFS I had that old hopelessness depression and nothing matters.

Now much better. I think Helen also said this as well that sometimes you will just get worse when you get out of PFS. You just go back to your old health status.
 
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exactly what i told pedro @Pedro melo that it inhibits its own metabolism and or its not depleted, still actively metabolized in ways.

fine maybe for test or anavar... but ya that's terrible for a terrible drug. a castration/ pseudohermamphrodite derived drug.
almost killed many of us, imagine what that and trans drugs do to kids (but all cool by the bill gates medical types, and mostly just dumb followers).

hence just proviron or any singular treatment isn't a singular cure.

and why fasting for ppl like me. carnivore or whatever meat and cooked veg and TEI (after and around actual drugs).
and the actual pathways are broken along whatever 40 possible chains, as per that image Walker posted on discord a couple yrs ago.

Who is Talkedout btw?
 

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Thinking about how to increase UGT activity, particularly UGT2B15 and 2B17, as those metabolize androgens most heavily.
So here is my guess at a protocol to increase UGT enzyme activity, by providing substrates:
Also, avoid this for more UGT activity:
Green and white teas suppress UDP-glucuronosyltransferase UGT2B17 mediated testosterone glucuronidation

Talkingant I mean. Sorry!

This post barely got any attention, because Helen was sprouting ideas and protocols back then. Such a shame!

Anyway, he comes up with a protocol. I think these days, with the help of AI such as Claud Science, we could come up with an even better protocol.

I really feel there’s an answer here. Hope more chime in.
 

bruschi11

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I mean it’s pretty simple. Correcting metabolic function at its core ends up being the most simple solution after looking at talkingant’s stuff.

Hence why mineral balancing works for simple cases. Then the sicker people have to focus on glucagon insulin glycogen stuff a more diabetes type mindset. Hormone
Metabolism specifically.

Seeing what I see in those posts gives me more confidence I’m working on exactly what I should be.
 
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The reason for dis-ease (both mental and physical) is because people are born in toxic mothers and once out of the mother's womb, people eat/ drink/ inhale/ smoke/ take(pharmaceuticals, especially vaxxines/ supplements)/ wear (clothing)/ dwell in and bring in their dwelling place (mold, scented stuff, furniture, flooring, paint, man made EMF pollution etc.)/ place in their mouth (dentistry stuff)/ clean with/ apply on their body (personal care products etc.)/ inject in themselves: incredibly toxic stuff.

It is that simple. Really.
 

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The reason for dis-ease (both mental and physical) is because people are born in toxic mothers and once out of the mother's womb, people eat/ drink/ inhale/ smoke/ take(pharmaceuticals, especially vaxxines/ supplements)/ wear (clothing)/ dwell in and bring in their dwelling place (mold, scented stuff, furniture, flooring, paint, man made EMF pollution etc.)/ place in their mouth (dentistry stuff)/ clean with/ apply on their body (personal care products etc.)/ inject in themselves: incredibly toxic stuff.

It is that simple. Really.
Mostly just how you are born in my opinion. That's the start of it all. Look at some black people in USA who live insanely unhealthy with no problems. Old buildings, etc. Crap diet. Smoking weed. They are still healthier than me funnily enough. Of course in the long run they get run down and they get problems. But still it shows the body is resilent when it is already healthy. They have the luxury to do whatever they like up to a point.

That's why those people probably will look funny at you if you tell them all the "health protocols" you follow (as an example)

It's the same as Helen said he had to avoid screens, avoid mold, all types of things and now he does not have problems with those things and can live with it.

If you start unhealthy/unbalanced from the womb you go at least first 12+ years feeding that imbalance probably more. Probably longer. Until 23/24 I didn't do any protocols or try to reverse this imbalance. So it grew up to that point. Reversing it is like reversing a deep rooted pathway that's been there since birth.
 

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From AI....seems there is some carry over with HDAC inhibitors

UDP-glucuronosyltransferase (UGT) is a crucial Phase II detoxification enzyme responsible for conjugation—attaching glucuronic acid to toxins, excess hormones (like estrogen and bilirubin), and drugs to make them water-soluble for excretion.

Increasing UGT activity relies on upregulating the gene expression of UGT isoforms (such as UGT1A1, UGT1A6, and UGT2B7) primarily through nuclear receptor pathways like Nrf2, AhR (Aryl hydrocarbon receptor), PXR, and CAR.

Key Botanical & Dietary Inducers​

The most effective natural compounds upregulate UGT synthesis by activating cellular stress-response pathways:

  • Cruciferous Vegetables & Sulforaphane: Vegetables like broccoli sprouts, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, and kale are rich in glucosinolates. When chewed or digested, these yield sulforaphane and indole-3-carbinol (I3C), which strongly activate the Nrf2 and AhR signaling pathways, prompting the liver to manufacture more UGT enzymes.
  • Resveratrol & Curcumin: Both of these polyphenols are potent Nrf2 activators. Regular intake of curcumin (found in turmeric) and resveratrol upregulates multiple Phase II enzymes, including UGT1A1 and UGT1A6.
  • Green Tea Extract (EGCG): Epigallocatechin gallate induces hepatic UGT expression through antioxidant pathway signaling.
  • D-Limonene: Abundant in citrus peels (oranges, lemons, grapefruits), d-limonene triggers Phase II enzyme induction, specifically enhancing UGT activity.
  • Astaxanthin & Rosemary Extract: Carnosic acid and carnosol from rosemary, alongside marine carotenoids like astaxanthin, trigger Phase II enzyme transcription via Nrf2 pathways.
  • Milk Thistle (Silibinin): Silibinin supports hepatic phase II conjugation mechanisms, promoting increased clearance rates for lipid-soluble metabolites.

Complementary Pathway Support​

  • Calcium D-Glucarate: While it does not directly increase UGT enzyme production, Calcium D-Glucarate plays a critical secondary role. It inhibits beta-glucuronidase—an enzyme produced by certain gut bacteria that breaks apart glucuronide conjugates and re-releases toxins back into circulation. Inhibiting beta-glucuronidase ensures that once UGT binds a substrate, it stays bound until excreted.
  • Glucuronic Acid Cofactor Support: Efficient glucuronidation requires adequate levels of UDP-glucuronic acid (UDPGA). Supporting mitochondrial energy production (ATP) and liver carbohydrate metabolism provides the raw substrate required for the conjugation reaction to proceed.

Pharmacological Inducers​

In a clinical context, certain prescription medications act as heavy inducers of UGT through the PXR and CAR receptors:

  • Anticonvulsants & Antibiotics: Drugs such as phenobarbital, carbamazepine, and rifampicin significantly upregulate UGT enzyme synthesis. However, because these medications broadly induce cytochrome P450 enzymes and alter drug metabolism across the board, they are reserved strictly for clinical management.

Practical Daily Approaches​

For everyday optimization, the most sustainable approach combines:

  1. Dietary Brassicas: Daily consumption of raw or lightly steamed cruciferous vegetables (especially broccoli sprouts, which contain high concentrations of glucoraphanin).
  2. Targeted Polyphenols: Supplemental or dietary sulforaphane, curcumin, green tea catechins, or rosemary extract.
  3. Gut Microbiome Care: A fiber-rich diet or targeted Calcium D-Glucarate supplementation to maintain low intestinal beta-glucuronidase activity.

Directly upregulating UDP-glucuronosyltransferase (UGT) gene expression via isolated vitamins and minerals is actually rare. Unlike phytochemicals (such as sulforaphane or curcumin) that trigger transcription via the Nrf2 or AhR pathways, isolated vitamins and minerals generally act as cofactors, antioxidant buffers, or substrates rather than direct genetic inducers.

In fact, high single doses of certain isolated vitamins (such as A, B1, B2, B6, C, and E) have been shown in laboratory models to competitively inhibit UGT active sites rather than upregulate them.

However, several essential micronutrients play critical, indispensable roles in supporting and maintaining the UGT system:

Micronutrients That Support the UGT System​

1. Zinc​

  • Mechanism: Zinc is a major cofactor for antioxidant enzymes like Superoxide Dismutase (SOD1/SOD2) and regulates cellular redox balance through the activation of Nrf2 (the primary transcription factor that upregulates Phase II detoxification enzymes).
  • Impact: Maintaining adequate zinc status ensures that Nrf2 can move into the nucleus to induce target genes, protecting the structural integrity of hepatic tissue where UGT enzymes operate.

2. Magnesium & Manganese​

  • Mechanism: While they do not upregulate the transcription of the UGT gene itself, these minerals are crucial cofactors for the enzymes involved in generating UDP-glucuronic acid (the necessary substrate that UGT attaches to toxins).
  • Impact: Without sufficient magnesium and manganese, the pool of UDP-glucuronic acid drops, causing glucuronidation reactions to stall regardless of how much UGT enzyme is present.

3. Vitamin B3 (Niacin / NAD+)​

  • Mechanism: The conversion of UDP-glucose into UDP-glucuronic acid is catalyzed by UDP-glucose dehydrogenase, an enzyme that strictly requires $NAD^+$ as an electron acceptor.
  • Impact: Vitamin B3 maintains hepatic $NAD^+$ pools, ensuring that the rate-limiting cofactor for UGT conjugation remains available.

4. Selenium​

  • Mechanism: Selenium is essential for the function of Glutathione Peroxidase (GPx).
  • Impact: By controlling lipid peroxidation and oxidative stress within liver cell membranes (where UGT enzymes are localized in the endoplasmic reticulum), selenium protects UGT proteins from oxidative degradation.

How to Effectively Upregulate UGT Enzymes​

Because isolated micronutrients act primarily as baseline support, inducing the actual expression of UGT isoforms (such as UGT1A1, UGT1A6, and UGT2B7) is best achieved through plant-derived signaling compounds:

  • Sulforaphane & Indole-3-Carbinol (Cruciferous Botanicals): Strongly activate Nrf2 and AhR, triggering direct synthesis of UGT enzymes.
  • Curcumin & Resveratrol: Activate Nrf2 signaling pathways, boosting Phase II enzyme levels in hepatic and intestinal tissues.
  • Astaxanthin & Carnosic Acid (Rosemary): Upregulate Phase II transcription factors.
  • Calcium D-Glucarate: Inhibits beta-glucuronidase in the gut, ensuring that compounds processed by UGT remain conjugated and are successfully excreted rather than reabsorbed.