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@tonysoprano , I think there are better things for testosterone and libido than Pine Pollen. Bulbine is great and has been studied for increasing testosterone.

@TubZy , Yes, I will continue Vitex as needed. I don't take anything all the time or everyday, except mabybe B's. but Pine Pollen made my testes smaller and libido went down. Bulbine, butea, icarrin, androsterone, dopafibra, seem like it covers all the bases.

I'm off the Pine and vitex , FYI....Off about week. I had a date last week, and I dosed butea and Icarrin, and Androsterone 2mg, and ended up having a great erection for her. Also, all this week after my date. Ive been having night long erections up until I get up in the morning. The Pine...

@TubZy,,,hahah, no it didn't. But the thread poster named franko stayed strong and didn't let the comments get to him. I think this Vit A has a bit of merit. the night shades are high in carotene, and RP does not like carotene either. I think not eating the night shades will help a lot of...

Great question, I'm not sure what I feel from the PP. the Vitex maybe the only thing giving results. I was not on VItex regularly before, I only experimented with it at certain times. To combat prolactin. I'm pairing the two, only based on Helen's advice to pair things up for safer results...

I will open up my own thread when I get my hair test. but I'm PFS, haven't used Fin in along time, maybe 8 years. But My goal are to be like Area , and be above and beyond the average man.

My belief is that there is no reason to take large doses, at least not at once. the body only make 4-7mg of testosterone a day , so no reason to try and take a whole bunch of PP. I respond well to Vitex by itself. But I no longer take Vitex alone, taking Helen's advice a pair things up.

I like it. Ive been having normal morning wood. I think I respond well to VItex. the pine pollen adds in the hormones, and Vitex either helps lower prolactin and gives me better wood. I'm taking a small does too. 800mg PP, and 600mg vitex.

I have a question about finasteride. Finasteride basically is a mutated progesterone that does not go to cortisol. Does that take down cortisol , does it block cortisol since it's not making any more from finasteride? I'm just trying to piece together if finasteride is a cortisol blocker? Which...

@TubZy, yes you are right. My bottles states to take 4 as serving size. That's 1600mg. I will up the dose. I usually do the minimum first on all herbs and drugs. I'm still seeing libido and erection quality results though. I'm going to have to up the dose of Vitex or progesterone as well too.

Ive been seeing good results with 400-800 mg Pine Pollen, and 600mg Vitex. however, I don't think I'm getting enough progesterone with that.

@Helen, for testosterone, Pine Pollen Is good? for Progesterone, Vitex, but it would be hard to figure out how much progesterone with that. Better off taking real Progesterone 20mg , right. So is Pine Pollen with 20 mg real progesterone good?

definitely safer, I like herbs , from god . Helen is recommending Pine+Vitex for people who want to get a quick fix. and it might stick. Vitex is progesterone, which should lower Prolactin.

I asked about hair loss, because Roddy and Peat basically state that there is high Cortisol and high Prolactin in balding. I would give Helen's advice and try Pine Pollen with Vitex. Vitex is known to lower prolactin. You can also try Mucuna . But definitely try Pine Pollen coupled with VItex...

So your prolactin is high and your DHEA and cortisol are high... So do you have hair loss?

Try reading about the Vitamin A elimination diet. Works well for people that used Accutane. Vitamin A =retinoic acid=chemotherapy.

My blood show high Estrone and high range Estradiol. My estrone was 135, my Estradiol is always around 39. Probably from drinking a lot of beer. my test is always around 600-700. When I use DHT topically, 1 or 2 drops only, I get woman attracted and sniffing me. i'ts crazy. but, since Ive been...

@Helen , what does estriol do, as I have read that estriol is the safe estrogen... So there should be three estrogens estriol oestrone and estradiol

Actually, when I was talking about DHEA and 5 Delta Androstenediol, that was Haiduts personal opinion on why guys go bald. He stated that 5 Delta androstenediol was being built up from DHEA due to low metabolic rate. Yes, I took Avodart and finasteride. My DHEA was 348 ng which is higher end of...

I don't know , but I believe Helen stated that when we don't have cortisol we then run on adrenaline,