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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2698 time=1508979213 user_id=57]
niggas!
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niggas!
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lol
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Wait more off cycle and congratulations, im low progesterone also and high blood potasium if that means something. Lets see where these goes.
BeLikeWater post_id=2701 time=1508981087 user_id=112 said:
hmmm yea
it's been discussed that low prog could be an indicator of highly sensitive/up regulated receptors. I have normal T. so it's weird that my prog would just be low as it's step 2 in the hormone pathway. So maybe body keeps prog low to try to adjust to it's really sensitive upregulated receptors. .
Than because the RU is taken with low prog it can't block the receptors which would in theory upregulate them even more..
instead with the lack of prog being around with the RU, the RU acts on the receptors causing them in theory to down regulate. obviously if I in my case had upregulated receptors this is what I would want
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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2715 time=1508991609 user_id=57]
hmmm yea
it's been discussed that low prog could be an indicator of highly sensitive/up regulated receptors. I have normal T. so it's weird that my prog would just be low as it's step 2 in the hormone pathway. So maybe body keeps prog low to try to adjust to it's really sensitive upregulated receptors. .
Than because the RU is taken with low prog it can't block the receptors which would in theory upregulate them even more..
instead with the lack of prog being around with the RU, the RU acts on the receptors causing them in theory to down regulate. obviously if I in my case had upregulated receptors this is what I would want
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Seems complicated bro, seems you could end up with worse upregulation, if you had upregulated receptors you should try high dose progesterone, but then the bidy could lower the amount of progesterone it mades instead of lowering the density only of the receptors.
BeLikeWater post_id=2701 time=1508981087 user_id=112 said:
hmmm yea
it's been discussed that low prog could be an indicator of highly sensitive/up regulated receptors. I have normal T. so it's weird that my prog would just be low as it's step 2 in the hormone pathway. So maybe body keeps prog low to try to adjust to it's really sensitive upregulated receptors. .
Than because the RU is taken with low prog it can't block the receptors which would in theory upregulate them even more..
instead with the lack of prog being around with the RU, the RU acts on the receptors causing them in theory to down regulate. obviously if I in my case had upregulated receptors this is what I would want
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Seems complicated bro, seems you could end up with worse upregulation, if you had upregulated receptors you should try high dose progesterone, but then the bidy could lower the amount of progesterone it mades instead of lowering the density only of the receptors.
yea who knows it's all a theory.
But you can read about RU and you can find info that says it can agonize or antagonize the receptors depending upon how much prog is present. So if no or very little prog is present its more apt to act on or agonize the receptors which according to the working theory this would down regulate them.
day seven being off. I am still feeling same improvements that I mentioned yesterday.
that's interesting that you have low prog as well. Are you aware of any way prog can be lowered with normal testosterone ?
Also wouldn't low prog explain low 5adhp or Allopreg? in other words couldn't 5ar be normal but we could still have low steroid metabolites that form from prog simply because our prog is low?
when I have a chance I want go to back and read the studies to see if the PFS groups low in 5adhp and Allopreg where also low in prog
But you can read about RU and you can find info that says it can agonize or antagonize the receptors depending upon how much prog is present. So if no or very little prog is present its more apt to act on or agonize the receptors which according to the working theory this would down regulate them.
day seven being off. I am still feeling same improvements that I mentioned yesterday.
that's interesting that you have low prog as well. Are you aware of any way prog can be lowered with normal testosterone ?
Also wouldn't low prog explain low 5adhp or Allopreg? in other words couldn't 5ar be normal but we could still have low steroid metabolites that form from prog simply because our prog is low?
when I have a chance I want go to back and read the studies to see if the PFS groups low in 5adhp and Allopreg where also low in prog
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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2785 time=1509056775 user_id=57]
yea who knows it's all a theory.
But you can read about RU and you can find info that says it can agonize or antagonize the receptors depending upon how much prog is present. So if no or very little prog is present its more apt to act on or agonize the receptors which according to the working theory this would down regulate them.
day seven being off. I am still feeling same improvements that I mentioned yesterday.
that's interesting that you have low prog as well. Are you aware of any way prog can be lowered with normal testosterone ?
Also wouldn't low prog explain low 5adhp or Allopreg? in other words couldn't 5ar be normal but we could still have low steroid metabolites that form from prog simply because our prog is low?
when I have a chance I want go to back and read the studies to see if the PFS groups low in 5adhp and Allopreg where also low in prog
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Ok I will definetly see that studies if someone have them at hand, now it makes sense.
All pfs sufferes are low in 5dhp/allo since Melcangi study but he didnt mention anything about low progesterone. Yes we could have low 5dhp and low allo since we have low prog I guess, me myself is trying low dose Zoloft(SSRI) that is said to increase allo without interfering with the serotonin, we will see, I have experience with 5dhp so I know what means to have high allo in brain.
yea who knows it's all a theory.
But you can read about RU and you can find info that says it can agonize or antagonize the receptors depending upon how much prog is present. So if no or very little prog is present its more apt to act on or agonize the receptors which according to the working theory this would down regulate them.
day seven being off. I am still feeling same improvements that I mentioned yesterday.
that's interesting that you have low prog as well. Are you aware of any way prog can be lowered with normal testosterone ?
Also wouldn't low prog explain low 5adhp or Allopreg? in other words couldn't 5ar be normal but we could still have low steroid metabolites that form from prog simply because our prog is low?
when I have a chance I want go to back and read the studies to see if the PFS groups low in 5adhp and Allopreg where also low in prog
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Ok I will definetly see that studies if someone have them at hand, now it makes sense.
All pfs sufferes are low in 5dhp/allo since Melcangi study but he didnt mention anything about low progesterone. Yes we could have low 5dhp and low allo since we have low prog I guess, me myself is trying low dose Zoloft(SSRI) that is said to increase allo without interfering with the serotonin, we will see, I have experience with 5dhp so I know what means to have high allo in brain.
I'm thirteen days off RU.
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
Shadow post_id=3247 time=1509586618 user_id=54 said:
thanks man. I don't want to get ahead of my self and I would like more gains. but honestly if I could stay here at this level while doing CD's protocol for that extra edge i would be happy enough to move on from this
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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3246 time=1509586397 user_id=57]
I'm thirteen days off RU.
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
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This is promising!! Some good news, man and I agree on waiting a month between ru cycles.
If you decide to try ru again for another nudge I would say stick to 10mg or lower for 3 days or something. It's exactly what I suggested for goose12 to make sure that he doesn't sway his receptors too far one way or another which is also something you pointed out.
I'm thirteen days off RU.
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
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This is promising!! Some good news, man and I agree on waiting a month between ru cycles.
If you decide to try ru again for another nudge I would say stick to 10mg or lower for 3 days or something. It's exactly what I suggested for goose12 to make sure that he doesn't sway his receptors too far one way or another which is also something you pointed out.
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Shadow post_id=3247 time=1509586618 user_id=54 said:
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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3243 time=1509585559 user_id=57]
is this your first time trying zoloft?
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Yeah first time, never ever I would think I would try an SSRI
is this your first time trying zoloft?
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Yeah first time, never ever I would think I would try an SSRI
IHateFin post_id=3252 time=1509589896 user_id=48 said:
This is promising!! Some good news, man and I agree on waiting a month between ru cycles.
If you decide to try ru again for another nudge I would say stick to 10mg or lower for 3 days or something. It's exactly what I suggested for goose12 to make sure that he doesn't sway his receptors too far one way or another which is also something you pointed out.
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this sounds like a good idea. I'm sold on three day cycles with a month in between and why not try the next one at 10mg. worst case I feel as if the dose is too low in which case I could up it not to exceed 50mg. Possible needing to up a 10mg dose is much less of an issue compared to the possibility of swaying my receptors too far in the wrong direction from taking too high of a dose.
everything about this makes sense.
[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3246 time=1509586397 user_id=57]
I'm thirteen days off RU.
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
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Mate that's gold! You'll take that 20% improvement any day! That's what we want to hear.
I'm thirteen days off RU.
I can say for certain that the 3 day RU cycle put me at a higher level actually on all fronts. So the surges of "RU energy" lol no longer come. but my labido is always higher, I have better sensitivity and now better erections. about a 15-20 percent solid improvement in all sexual symptoms.
about a 30 percent improvement in aggression. Something I have missed. one way to explain it is that I'm acting more on instinct rather than "thinking everything through" before I do it like I use to be. I'll just randomly cut off like three people while driving with out even thinking about it. stupid example I know but I'm being honest.
I am responding to CD's herbs better. they feel stronger. it's a great feeling.
sexual function prob about 65 percent of my former self coming up from 50 percent on a good day that everything would need to be on point to have. diet, stress, sleep everything. this 65 percent feels solid and is despite not getting enough sleep and being under massive amounts of stress while not making it to the gym half the time.
only bad thing is sometimes the head aches come back that I got on RU. a weird type of RU head ache lets call it.
that's it for now . so far guys as far as I'm concerned Gbold is right. this has worked for me
I do believe though that adjusting the receptors is not an exact science. we can easily over due it on the wrong direction. for this reason I think waiting the month in between cycles of RU will be key and to not go any longer than three days and nothing higher than 50mg.
we really need hundreds of guys taking this to collect more data. and we really all deserve to be compensated for everything we have done as far as being test dummies to solve a problem the medical community should be solving.
this is a huge step for us
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Mate that's gold! You'll take that 20% improvement any day! That's what we want to hear.
Snow1 post_id=3410 time=1509709440 user_id=68 said:
Mate that's gold! You'll take that 20% improvement any day! That's what we want to hear.
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yea im pretty pumped. day 15 being off the results still continue to feel consistent.
I hope other people try the 3 day cycle at anywhere from 10-50 Mg and replicate these results
so im day 27 off RU.
some of my results faded but not all and i am still at a level that is above my pre RU base line that is noticeable every day.
it seems as of once the receptors are adjusted closer to were they need to be anything that increases hormones feels better than before.
I have decided i am running another three day 50mg cycle starting on Sunday November 19th. I see no reason not to do this. this time i will run my herbs all the way though in hopes that it will help with RU's anti androgen actions that I think may have upset the very very very minor gyno lump I have. Seeing that ihatefin's minor gyno issue got worse on his second RU cycle I believe that this is due to it dropping are T some favoring the estrogen ratio side of things.
I'm running the herbs right through with a 3 day dose of tongkat while taking that days herb. I see a very low chance of it making me worse and suspect I will get additional gains.
some of my results faded but not all and i am still at a level that is above my pre RU base line that is noticeable every day.
it seems as of once the receptors are adjusted closer to were they need to be anything that increases hormones feels better than before.
I have decided i am running another three day 50mg cycle starting on Sunday November 19th. I see no reason not to do this. this time i will run my herbs all the way though in hopes that it will help with RU's anti androgen actions that I think may have upset the very very very minor gyno lump I have. Seeing that ihatefin's minor gyno issue got worse on his second RU cycle I believe that this is due to it dropping are T some favoring the estrogen ratio side of things.
I'm running the herbs right through with a 3 day dose of tongkat while taking that days herb. I see a very low chance of it making me worse and suspect I will get additional gains.
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How went your cicle? Im very interested on hownare you doing. I have been living in this hell for 5 years, I want to achieve next level. But if I do is because because people like you.
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How bout an update @5 alpha ? Would love to hear how you're doing!
Also, are you the same 5 alpha as the guy that started this thread on PH? Experiences with attempting CDNUTS protocol. : Natural Supplements, Diet & Excercise
If so and you're making gains still with RU, would be certainly a great thing to know your progress. I mean PFS for 10 years that's a long time! I think your story would give a lot of hope to long time PFS sufferers and if you're still steadily improving I'd like to see you get it out there man!
Also, are you the same 5 alpha as the guy that started this thread on PH? Experiences with attempting CDNUTS protocol. : Natural Supplements, Diet & Excercise
If so and you're making gains still with RU, would be certainly a great thing to know your progress. I mean PFS for 10 years that's a long time! I think your story would give a lot of hope to long time PFS sufferers and if you're still steadily improving I'd like to see you get it out there man!