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[zsoka]

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[HerrFisch]

Did kind of like his blog. Even though I did not agree on everything.

But disklike his selling-strategy.
He sells Gift-cards from 10-40$ even though the book for 29$ is the only thing he is selling Lol.

 

[bruschi11]

What are his ideals? Seems interesting. I think any type of major healthy recovery story done naturally is interesting to read.

 

[Canari]

Good resumé! Nathan is quite Peat oriented...
So... who has the same hair test result as him?
This is always the problem when we do not know the starting point of each person..... What was his metabolism?

 

[Helen]

@HerrFisch basically his strategy is to raise metabolism(coffee, salt, gelatin etc.) and feed the body vitamin C and B-complex and protein and good fats and LOTS of carbs(preferably fruits) frequently during the day and calcium(he says the metabolism must be raised first in order for the body to absorb Ca)... In his opinion free iron is the culprit of almost every illness and Vitamin C and B1 and B2 (and niacin) will help the body to get rid of excess iron.

He burned fat and gained muscle WITHOUT exercising by following his protocols... i also think he regrew thinning hair...interesting ideas.

IMO calcium is a biggie.. most people are not getting enough calcium every day.. 1000mg minimum to 2500mg upper limit.. maybe more if u are into extreme exercise routines..

I hope you understand that this forum came from Ray peat forum. and that everyone did exactly what you wrote. This is Ray Peat program. People did this program for years and it works for some and does not work for others.

If you give calcium to a slow oxidizers he will have a heart attack. I hope you understand that in the US , calcium is given to everyone in huge amounts and everyone consumes dairy and calcium is put in everything, all junk food has tons of calcium.

As far as b1 and b2 , I say the same , but for certain body chemistries.


As far as this guy, i hope you understand that this guy just copied Ray Peats ideas. There are several websites that claim hormone supremacy and write books now and take advantage of Ray Peats ideas Some websites are created by Georgi Dinkov and some are created by other people who sell their products based on Peats work. This guy is definately from Ray peat forum


I dont quite understand why you go around this calcium thing. For fast oxidizers they are in lactic acidosis, and they do need calcium to buffer it and copper and b1 which is givein on ARL program to fast oxidizers along with calcium. For slow oxidizers calcium will slow them down even more. it does not raise metabolism, copper slows down the thyroid also. This is why for slow metabolism people b complex is given with zinc and manganese .

I dont get why it is so hard to understand this.

 

[Helen]

@zsoka


Roland,

nathan website, Vitamin B1, anti-estrogenic, pro-DHT, anti-serotonin, pro-dopamine
and a dozen similar websites are created to promote products based on Ray Peats ideas. They all belong to one group of people. I assume to Haidut and friends.

Ray peat program is correct for a fast oxidizer, it is not correct for a slow oxidizer. And we saw this on hairtests, when people got toxic in copper after eating liver and have huge high calcium levels after Ray Peats program. Those people got back to normal avoiding calcium and avoiding copper and adding zinc and manganese plus b vitamins and amino acids to their program.


Most sports people are fast oxidizers and they do need the Ray Peat program. So it is better for you , just to hang out with Peat people since that program is good for you.

 

[Helen]

P.S those people did not cure any cancer. they did not have it in a first place. Also they might grow muscle, since fast oxidizer burns thru protein and if you slow fast oxidizer down, with glutathione ( b1 and b2 ) with copper, with calcium, then the metabolism will be more efficient. I still cant understand why those people dont understand that they are actually slowing their metabolism down, not up with Ray Peat advice. temperature has nothing to do with the speed of metabolism. Temperature is the match of fuel by expenditure, so a person with high thyroid can have really low body temperatures, and cold hands and feet, since adrenaline will be pumping making you cold and vasoconstricted and reverse T3 hormone will be up. but thyroid hormone and metabolism is showed as fast on the hairtest. And if that person takes thyroid they will crash. This is what happened to Haidut and many others on Ray Peat forum. I kept telling him, he is a fast oxidizer, stop spewing the same nonsense for slow metabolism people. Haidut could not tolerate thyroid. Since he was hyperthyroid. he retained the water, and was fat and lost hair. And now he slowed down his metabolism with Ray Peat ideas and some of the hair came back as he claims.

 

[Helen]

ARL does give calcium to slow oxidizers. along with magnesium. But what I noticed is until slow oxidizers metabolism rises all this calcium will be just deposited all over the place, since it wont be ionized. Until metabolism rises calcium wont get to be ionized, this is why from my point of view, slow oxidizers do get older looking on ARL program for the first year. And it is much faster to decalcify them without calcium for the first year. This is what Traceelements does, They dont give calcium to slow oxidizers and their program is faster.

When metabolism speeds up, then and only then you will need extra calcium. people get tons of calcium from their diets, since 80% of people eat dairy. cheese and other calcium products. Also calcium is in all junk food.

If you look at people brains , arteries they are all calcified. they are not calcified from PTH)) , PTH goes up only when body need calcium. and that happens when the vein PH is acidic. if vein is acidic you dont get calcified. You get calcified when vein is alkaline. And if when the vein is alkaline , person takes calcium or vitamin D, that is when you get hairloss , and calcification of the scalp.

this is why sulfur compounds like thiosulphate are used after to decalcify people, since sulphur is acid forming and basically dilutes calcium into ionized calcium.

 

[NaturalSalmon]

Hey Gbolduev/ @User. I saw that you linked my article on vitamin B1, while stating websites like these are there to promote Peat's ideas.
Just wondering if this might have been a mistake of some kind, because if you read my articles, you'll see that I don't mention Peat or his ideas, not even once.
I wrote that article on B1 to explain how it's beneficial and how it's used in the body.
I only link Haidut's products because I believe they're good quality products and I use them myself. I only recommend products/supplements which I know work well, or that have worked well for me personally. I am not affiliated with Haidut and don't get anything for advertising his products. Haidut and Peat also don't have the same beliefs, as Haidut himself also said that he only agrees with Peat <70%
If you look on the internet, every guy that is selling a product has to advertise it and tries to rub it off on people, whether it be for bodybuilding, health, Peat's ideas or whatever, because that's how they make cash...from selling their products. However, Haidut isn't trying to push his products off on anyone, and I recommend them by choice and not because I get something out of it.
But for anyone interested, you can check out my website: Natural Supremacy
I mainly post content on health, exercise, androgens, etc...

 

[artemis]

but thats what 90+% of women do anyways,

Really? 90+%, huh? Wow, that's a pretty impressive number. I'm sure you have a source for it.

 

[Helen]

@User All the calcium rich foods and calcium additives people eat(from junk foods or not) are actually robbing their bodies of calcium.

When you heat/pasteurise/microwave calcium rich foods the calcium and proteins become indigestible and creates loads of metabolic waste acid products which makes the body pull out calcium from its stores(first teeth, than skull, than spine, than hips and the robbing continues) to buffer/neutralise these acids...

The longer this dietary abuse goes on, the person first will have teeth issues(sensitivity, pain, infection, decay/rotting/brown spots, braking of teeth), than spine issues/back pain, than hip issues, muscle soreness/tightness due to the un-buffered acids.

We need calcium for nerve sheath, vein and artery walls, bone, teeth, etc.

Children with crowded crooked teeth, and later the wisdom teeth are pulled because of not enough room, is caused by a narrow jaw from not having enough calcium in the body. The mother carrying the baby before birth should increase her natural calcium intake, now for two people, her and the baby, so it will be built with good wide jaw and tooth material.

Sugars, pastries, soft and alcoholic beverages, breads, candies, etc., leach the calcium out of the body, causing varicose veins, cramps, Charlie horses, loss of teeth, nervous upsets, etc.

Now we can understand why 3- 5 year olds have rotten teeth and pulled out teeth... i know, my 4 year old nephew had 90% of his teeth pulled(in surgery) out because they were rotting away... his mother does not care about him at all, she was smoking, drinking alcohol and eating shit like ALL the time before/during/after pregnancy, she feeds him sweets, sodas, candies, chocolate and she is proud of it, but she got a university degree as well LMFAO.. its like she enjoys hurting him LITERALLY in every possible way... i tried to tell her about nutrition, and she claims she knows about everything I said... this just is another proof that she enjoys destroying his son's health/life, after all, she needed the child as a tool of control... but thats what 90+% of women do anyways, so its not news to me... oops...i am chasing another rabbit here LMFAO

High blood calcium levels also can be a sign of calcium deficiency.

I am not saying people should supplement with 1kg of calcium per day... just get enough(1000mg/day in general and up to 2500mg/day if exercising heavily) from the RIGHT FOOD(raw never heated milk and cheese, powdered eggshells, coral calcium), DAILY. And get the RDA for all nutrients DAILY to obtain and maintain balance.

Here is an interesting testimony: ''I was continually going to a Chiropractor because my back kept going out but once I faithfully began taking Bone Meal(natural source of calcium) my back has stayed strong and has not gone out despite the wear and tear I have put on it. It has been 1 year now and also my fingernails grew fast and very strong which never happened before I used Bone Meal.''

Biochemist Bob Barefoot writes: '''The most important question to ask is "Why the calcium buildup is in the joints in the first place?" The answer is that these patients are calcium deficient. In order to acquire the required calcium for the body's numerous biological functions, the body's parathyroid hormones oversee the removal of some calcium from the body's bone bank.

When the calcium deficiency is severe, the removal of calcium from the bones is extensive. This results in a dramatically weakened and sagging architectural structure. The body, which always knows best, adapts to the situation by physically reducing movement with a little pain and calcium deposits and spurs in the joints, thereby minimizing bone breaks.

The misinformed doctor 's recommendation to reduce calcium will only serve to aggravate and prolong the problem, as the body is desperate for more calcium to be returned to its bone bank, and in amounts substantially higher than the RDA.

Although there is enormous scientific evidence on the importance to human health of other minerals, such as potassium, magnesium and sodium,
substantial amounts of calcium are considered to be critical to human health. The following are but a few of the thousands of such statements being made
by world renowned medical researchers:

"Calcium deficiency is the universal property of all cancer cells," The Role of Calcium in Biological Systems, Volume I, 1985, CRC Press Inc.
"The rise in calcium ions is indispensable for cell proliferation (DNA synthesis)," Calcium and the Cell, L.K. Defize, and S.W. Delaat, 1986, Wiley.

“The prime period of human life could be extended by a moderate increase in calcium in the diet", Dr. Henry C. Sherman in the book How a Mineral Can Vitalize Your Health, by Dr. James K. Van Fleet, 1980, Parker Publishing.

"The calcium ion regulation of intracellular messages has broad implications in the treatment of disease,” The Calcium Signal, Ernesto Carafoli and John T. Penniston, November, 1987, Scientific American.

"Considering the wide variety of calcium binding proteins in the cell, the potential targets of calcium related disorders are enormous", Calcium Binding
Proteins, Marvin P. Thompson, 1988, CRC Press.''

Please read again what I wrote. Calcium is not destroyed with cooking it is not a protein. If PTH in blood high , then yes you do need calcium. PTH is high and blood calcium is high. hair calcium is LOW at this time. You should understand this.

Calcium will never be digested in alkalosis, since it is not needed. Teeth and cavities have nothing to do with calcium. cavities are from magnesium molybdenum silica problems. very rarely from calcium problem.

osteoporosis is never cured by calcium. If it was everyone would cure it. It never cures osteo. This is why all those women have to get special shots.

In the US people take calcium and vitamin D supplements excessively.

You need to snap out of things which are helping you. people are different. if you give 1 gm of calcium to a slow oxidizer a day= heart attack. Same thing can happen with vitamin D.

You can see thousands of posts on forums about it all over the internet. And doctors still continue to give calcium supplements to everyone.

You act like doctors tell people not to take calcium. It is the first thing they give people.

Just test the blood, if PTH is high , you need calcium. Very easy. but if PTH is high , usually the problem is not calcium but lactic acid. And it has nothing to do with calcium. YOu need to fix your metabolism. Macro minerals, sodium, calcium potassium magnesium can not fix your metabolism. They are macro. the body will always get them in if needed by increasing absorption.

This is why balancing with macro minerals is worthless.

 

[Yura]

"Macro minerals, sodium, calcium potassium magnesium can not fix your metabolism. They are macro. the body will always get them in if needed by increasing absorption."
You need good stomach acid to absorb calcium right? So with low stomach acid = you are basically calcium deficient.. + 90% of people are eating calcium supplement in form of calcium carbonate. Which is crazy alkaline antacid basically.. So this calcium carbonate will just neutralize stomach acid and block calcium absorption even more.. I think zsoka is right in this calcium thing, but also people are deficient in micro minerals, vit D and all cofactors for calcium metabolism.

 

[Yura]

Not really what? I am talking about calcium carbonate tablets and not eggshells so what you talking about? IF you give some old person with bad digestion calcium carbonate tablets. It will have only negative effect on him. Calcium ascorbate or citrate is another story. Those forms are much better.. For eggshells you need good stomach acid as well so people you talkin about had probably very good stomach acid. If I eat eggshell powder. I just see it in my stool + it acts almost like baking soda for me with meals = crazy inhibition of digestion..

 

[supernature]

If PTH in blood high , then yes you do need calcium. PTH is high and blood calcium is high. hair calcium is LOW at this time. You should understand this.

Calcium will never be digested in alkalosis, since it is not needed. Teeth and cavities have nothing to do with calcium. cavities are from magnesium molybdenum silica problems. very rarely from calcium problem.

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[HerrFisch]

... anyway...unblock me please on FB

LOL you are like a child.

 

[MNK99]

Tell me again what I don't know? @zsoka

I agree that education isn't all that it's cracked to be. However, some people need to be re-educated. There was a massive thread here yesterday; wherein the person you want to contact made it clear, he doesn't want to be contacted by others, re: all that's on here.

Gain 75 iq points, and an army to fuck with me @zsoka.

I know more than your feeble minded, degenerate brain can ever handle. You'd be shocked and amazed.
I bet you 900 000 GBP I'm smarter than you.
My little cousin went to the best med school there. My granduncle went to LSE/ LAW there, before non white ppl were even allowed. SO come at me.




Here's some life advice, don't fuck with people you don't know.
I got stacks of money bigger than you, you little trick.

 

[MNK99]

Ok, yes'm Master.

 

[Yura]

" i would choose eggshells anytime over ANY supplement."

Hm I would choose calcium ascorbate/citrate any time over eggshells. Since everyone is different and I don't see any reason to eat something what causes indigestion and just goes trough the body..

 

[supernature]

Hm I would choose calcium ascorbate/citrate any time over eggshells. Since everyone is different and I don't see any reason to eat something what causes indigestion and just goes trough the body..

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[Helen]

What about if calcium is high above range in blood, but PTH is not high above range at the same time. Would this still be due to alkalosis and because calcium wont be needed (so low Ca absorption, but high leaching from bones into blood) ?

If the reason for high blood calcium is not due to Hyperparathyroidism primary (high PTH) or malignant diseases like certain types of cancers (high PTH), does the next most likely reason for high blood calcium would be Hyperthyroidism and all this close related to the type of oxidation status one has ?

If you have calcium in blood high but PTH is not high , most likely you have magnesium def.