Barbaar, PSSD log

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Well give it some time, most people dont report anything before day 4. (I assume you will still feel something after day 3 considering the long half life)
 
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I had my windows always in week2, after upping my dose, for both moclobemide and sjw. Maybe we arent talking this stuff long enough to make an impact?
 
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Jaxx said:
I had my windows always in week2, after upping my dose, for both moclobemide and sjw. Maybe we arent talking this stuff long enough to make an impact?
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Last time I began to notice things on day 2, felt best on day 3, only for the benefits to start fading away after day 4. I took it for 6 days total.

I bet there are a lot of other factors that we're missing when just taking Ella. No way to know without tests I think.
 
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barbaar said:
Last time I began to notice things on day 2, felt best on day 3, only for the benefits to start fading away after day 4. I took it for 6 days total.

I bet there are a lot of other factors that we're missing when just taking Ella. No way to know without tests I think.
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Tests are useful when we know what to look for. Did you ever try the ace route? Everyone is on the zinc finger theory at the moment, not sure if thats the right strategy
 
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Jaxx said:
Tests are useful when we know what to look for. Did you ever try the ace route? Everyone is on the zinc finger theory at the moment, not sure if thats the right strategy
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Naw I haven't touched the ace yet. My first priority now is getting some tests done to find out what case I actually am instead of randomly guessing, since that isn't working too well.
 
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Hey guys. So I had an appointment with a nutritional balancing dude today. Actually he does a lot more than that, but I'm not sure what his official title is.

We talked a bit about my history, how I got to this point etc. He briefly went over some information about receptor sensitivity, and how it can be persistently altered by outside influences. He told me about the work by György Csaba, and that his ideas about receptors are based on his work. I haven't had time to read up on it, but it could be interesting.

If I understood everything correctly, the major things that are wrong with me are:
  • Iodine deficiency for pretty much my whole life, possibly passed on from my mom when she was pregnant with me. Hence the low metabolism and thyroid not working.
  • Insensitive serotonin receptors, caused by SSRI use
  • Congenital oxytocin, GABA (So anxiety, no feelings of safety), and possibly dopamine (reward system) insensitivity. The oxytocin insensitivity might be from the fact that I was born by caesarean section. According to him early life experiences have a huge influence on receptor sensitivity for the remainder of ones life.
  • I told him I could take 12 caps of betaine HCl without feeling much warmth in my stomach, confirming that I have low stomach acid. He didn't really comment on the possible protein deficiency that could cause.
I was like, cool, this guy knows his shit about receptors. He'll tell me what I need to take in order for them to regain their sensitivity. The thing is, he did propose a protocol, but nothing involving minerals / aminos etc. He first wants to treat the serotonin insensitivity, since that might be blocking the recovery of the other things.

His protocol for upregulating receptor sensitivity involves taking a range of homeopathic dilutions of the medicine that caused the problem in the first place. So I'll be taking one molecule or less of citalopram I guess :/

Now, I don't want to offend anyone who does believe in homeopathy, but I don't. I simply don't see how taking a bit of water/alcohol which may or may not have a single molecule of active ingredients is going to fix anything. Low dose SSRI, sure, that has actually worked for people before. But I think this dose might be a little too low lol. I'd absolutely love to be proven wrong, so I still think I'm going to try it. What do you guys think @gbolduev @mattyb @Ghost . Am I wasting my time and money, or should I give it a shot?
 
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I think you could give a shot.
I remember when I was a kid, y mother was used to cure me with homeopatic medicines and nothing more. So I guess if they are the right one, they can be usefull.
 
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I think homeopathy is a complete waste of time. It can be great placebo if you buy into it, so for people that buy into it it can work. Otherwise the usefulness isn't really there IMO.
 
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Low dose SSRI makes sense, I don't think the one molecule thing makes sense. Low dose SSRI is counted in beads isn't it?
How's he going to prepare that? Wouldn't you need to get a script for citalopram again? (at one molecule? Is this even possible?)
I don't know man. His other advice may be ok. I've never tried much of homeopathy... too many physicians in my family. Although I understand the want to try it, considering medicine got us in this.
 
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mattyb said:
I think homeopathy is a complete waste of time. It can be great placebo if you buy into it, so for people that buy into it it can work. Otherwise the usefulness isn't really there IMO.
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Thats what I was thinking.

I'm checking out some Csaba papers atm, this doesn't sound good:

Hormonal imprinting in the central nervous system:
causes and consequences
The notion of the perinatal „hormonal imprinting” has been published at fi rst in 1980 and since that time it spred
expansively. The imprintig develops at the fi rst encounter between the developing receptor and the target hormone
– possibly by the alteration of the methylation pattern of DNA – and it is transmitted to the progeny generations of
the cell. This is needed for the complete development of the receptor’s binding capacity. However, molecules similar
to the target hormone (hormone-analogues, drugs, chemicals, environmental pollutants) can also bind to the developing
receptor, causing faulty imprinting with life-long consequences. This can promote pathological conditions.
Later it was cleared that in other critical periods such as puberty, imprinting also can be provoked, even in any age in
differentiating cells. The central nervous system (brain) also can be mistakenly imprinted, which durably infl uences
the dopaminergic, serotonergic and noradrenergic system and this can be manifested – in animal experiments – in
alterations of the sexual and social behavior. In our modern age the faulty hormonal imprintig is inavoidable because
of the mass of medicaments, chemicals, the presence of hormone-like materials (e.g. soya phytosteroids) in the food,
and environmental pollutants. The author especially emphasizes the danger of oxytocin, as a perinatal imprinter, as it
is used very broadly and can basically infl uence the emotional and social spheres and the appearance of certain diseases
such as auitism, schizophrenia and parkinsonism. The danger of perinatal imprinters is growing, considering
their effects on the human evolution. Orv. Hetil., 2013, 154, 128–135.
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From here. The rest of the paper is in Czech(?) I think so not sure what it's saying. I'm not qualified to judge the trustworthiness of this guys work, don't take anything here as fact.
 
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MNK99 said:
Low dose SSRI makes sense, I don't think the one molecule thing makes sense. Low dose SSRI is counted in beads isn't it?
How's he going to prepare that? Wouldn't you need to get a script for citalopram again? (at one molecule? Is this even possible?)
I don't know man. His other advice may be ok. I've never tried much of homeopathy... too many physicians in my family. Although I understand the want to try it, considering medicine got us in this.
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I'm not sure of the exact dilution he uses, but he labels them as 30K / 200K / MK / 10MK. Apparently there is a pharmacy that makes them. I am very sceptical...
 
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