best way to liver flush & no supps needed half the time

[Helen]

Do you recall the effect during prior liver flush as cleaning the GI tract as was mentioned or some else. Also about the antioxidant side, do you refer to studies or you might have experienced positive change in certain metabolic markers ?


From what Helen suggests is happening it seems it increases PPP. I might rethink on malic for now, cause looking at the steroid path seems my NADPH hormones are on high side already. If im wrong on the increase in PPP and actually aids in glutathione recycling, then it might be better for me.

Malic does not increase PPP. It lowers it. Since it makes NADPH in the krebs cycle thru Malic enzyme.

NADPH strongly inhibits PPP. There are alternative ways to make NADPH, with isocitrate enzyme, with nicotinamide enzyme and with malic enzyme. so by making those in alternative pathways, you actually inhibit the PPP.

 

[DrivenToRecover]

are you telling me how to do liver flushes ? Bud , I did 80 of them. and you just started . I know everything about flushing and problems of flushing. If you dont listen it is your choice.





I had stones stuck in my bile ducts. when I just ate apples. trust me it is not a pretty thing to experience. When the big ones start going you dont want them to be stuck . You will pass out and be in the hospital. And the big ones will start going.

Also dont be lazy and prepare before every single liver flush. I sometimes got lazy and ran out out of malic acid on my 30-40 flushes. And just flushed on apples. I had 2 incidents of stones being stuck. I had to drink liters of oil to flush the stone out of my bile duct. I had it there I could feel it and it hurt like hell.

MY advice to you always wait till the stones dilute. never get lazy, if you are planning to continue with the flushes. Doing 10 flushes and stopping will do you more harm than good. You need to flush everything out of dont flush at all.






I know exactly why you need malic acid. It has nothing to do with fiber in apples YOu need malic acid, to make NADPH in krebs cycle, from malate enzyme. NADH gets converted into NADPH. by malic acid. NADPH is what makes bile acids from cholesterol. along with vitamin C. This is why apple juice or malic acid are given.

In 3 days, you will not even make enough NADPH for the system , not only for the bile system. You need bile acids to soften your cholesterol stones, for that you need to produce bile acids. with NADPH.. And since many people run very low on NADPH. It is impossible to even produce NADPH in 3 days, not only to soften stones.

For toxic people I advice to be on malic acid for a month before the first flush.

You need 14 days min to prepare for the first flush. then as long as you drink malic acid, you can do it weekly

In my experience, malic acid is the best for liver flushes. Apples are ok.

The best thing is to buy malic acid and drink it daily. And keep flushing. I dont go by Moritz style or any other style, I go by my style. I flushed all the stones out. and did it weekly. So the gallbladder stayed open all the time. I found that if you flush every 2-3 weeks , stones block it. And that impairs digestion. So I chose to keep flushing non stop.


The goal of apples or malic acid is not to clean you out, but to produce bile acid. And wait till this bile acid softens dilutes your cholesterole and billirubin deposits

You dont eat regular food during flushes, you go on more veggy fruit diet. cycled with low protein rice.



Also remember that if you plan to flush it all out, keep doing it and never get lazy and wait for the stones to soften. Also remember that you can always gulp a liter of oil in case of some blockage. And if you flush 30 or more times, you will have the blockages. since the big ones start going and your bile ducts will be very flexible by then.


Good luck , liver flushes are great, you wont regret it.

A few months back I actually ended up in the emergency room with pancreatitis caused with what I now believe was a gallbladder attack with stones cloging up the ducts. I can tell you it was easily the most painful thing I have ever experienced with nothing coming close. The next time I started experiencing the onset of the same symptoms I downed some epsom salts, chugged the oil, and my sympoms were gone in 15 minutes


Also, an extra thing I have been doing for my flushes is drinking the oil, and laying down on my side on a massager that vibrates the shit out of my rib cage above the liver. I cannot say for sure that this helps, but it makes sense that it would help dislodge more stones, and I swear I have passed more stones consistently having started doing this.

 

[bruschi11]

A few months back I actually ended up in the emergency room with pancreatitis caused with what I now believe was a gallbladder attack with stones cloging up the ducts. I can tell you it was easily the most painful thing I have ever experienced with nothing coming close. The next time I started experiencing the onset of the same symptoms I downed some epsom salts, chugged the oil, and my sympoms were gone in 15 minutes


Also, an extra thing I have been doing for my flushes is drinking the oil, and laying down on my side on a massager that vibrates the shit out of my rib cage above the liver. I cannot say for sure that this helps, but it makes sense that it would help dislodge more stones, and I swear I have passed more stones consistently having started doing this.

Awesome tips man... looks like I’ll be investing in some sort of massager in near future lol. I think I have a bunch of flushing ahead of me.

You feel really good the day after flush is finished? That’s normally what occurs for me.

 

[DrivenToRecover]

Awesome tips man... looks like I’ll be investing in some sort of massager in near future lol. I think I have a bunch of flushing ahead of me.

You feel really good the day after flush is finished? That’s normally what occurs for me.

Yes, energy definitely increases. I notice bowell movements are better too.

 

[TubZy]

A few months back I actually ended up in the emergency room with pancreatitis caused with what I now believe was a gallbladder attack with stones cloging up the ducts. I can tell you it was easily the most painful thing I have ever experienced with nothing coming close. The next time I started experiencing the onset of the same symptoms I downed some epsom salts, chugged the oil, and my sympoms were gone in 15 minutes


Also, an extra thing I have been doing for my flushes is drinking the oil, and laying down on my side on a massager that vibrates the shit out of my rib cage above the liver. I cannot say for sure that this helps, but it makes sense that it would help dislodge more stones, and I swear I have passed more stones consistently having started doing this.

Damn man, did the pancreatitis cause permanent damage to you from that?

 

[supernature]

Malic does not increase PPP. It lowers it. Since it makes NADPH in the krebs cycle thru Malic enzyme.

NADPH strongly inhibits PPP. There are alternative ways to make NADPH, with isocitrate enzyme, with nicotinamide enzyme and with malic enzyme. so by making those in alternative pathways, you actually inhibit the PPP.

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[Aflac94]

Malic acid makes me shit like crazy, I can't handle it. I've never managed to get around to a full liver flush because even half a gram a day and I'll just be crapping water. I've always had to quit because after multiple days of the stuff I'd be afraid I'll shit my pants one day.

@Helen

Why is this? I was on electrolytes protocol for 1 month. Not cured but fell like it took me in the right direction.

I’m going to get back on soon. BUT one of the reasons I stopped was the diarrhea out of no where. And when I had to go I would shit my pants if I didn’t find a toilet.

I was on full protocol so no way I could know which part caused that to start. I guess it was the gram of malic acid a day.

When I restart I’ll probably have to leave out the malic acid with school and work starting up I can’t go through that again

 

[DrivenToRecover]

Damn man, did the pancreatitis cause permanent damage to you from that?

Don't think so. It was something that happened quickly, and went away quickly. Most cases of pancreatitus keep people in the hospital for a week, and I was out in three days.

Interestingly, the hospital's treatment is fasting. Not even water..iv fluids only till your labs improve.

This actually happened to me right around the time that Avicci died from pancratitis.

But dude...the pain was insane...Nothing has ever come close for me. Mothers who have had it say its worse than chiIdbith and it lasts for a longgggg time. I showed up at the ER at 6 in the morining having smoked weed to numb some of the pain, and I was asking them for morphine asap. Needless to say they thought I was a druggie looking for a fix LOL so I laid there for about an hour in the worst kind of pain before they even saw my labs and realized I wasnt faking...

Now I know I could have done an impromptu liver flush and avoided it all, but at the time I thought it was some type of food poisioning.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

are you telling me how to do liver flushes ? Bud , I did 80 of them. and you just started . I know everything about flushing and problems of flushing. If you dont listen it is your choice.





I had stones stuck in my bile ducts. when I just ate apples. trust me it is not a pretty thing to experience. When the big ones start going you dont want them to be stuck . You will pass out and be in the hospital. And the big ones will start going.

Also dont be lazy and prepare before every single liver flush. I sometimes got lazy and ran out out of malic acid on my 30-40 flushes. And just flushed on apples. I had 2 incidents of stones being stuck. I had to drink liters of oil to flush the stone out of my bile duct. I had it there I could feel it and it hurt like hell.

MY advice to you always wait till the stones dilute. never get lazy, if you are planning to continue with the flushes. Doing 10 flushes and stopping will do you more harm than good. You need to flush everything out of dont flush at all.






I know exactly why you need malic acid. It has nothing to do with fiber in apples YOu need malic acid, to make NADPH in krebs cycle, from malate enzyme. NADH gets converted into NADPH. by malic acid. NADPH is what makes bile acids from cholesterol. along with vitamin C. This is why apple juice or malic acid are given.

In 3 days, you will not even make enough NADPH for the system , not only for the bile system. You need bile acids to soften your cholesterol stones, for that you need to produce bile acids. with NADPH.. And since many people run very low on NADPH. It is impossible to even produce NADPH in 3 days, not only to soften stones.

For toxic people I advice to be on malic acid for a month before the first flush.

You need 14 days min to prepare for the first flush. then as long as you drink malic acid, you can do it weekly

In my experience, malic acid is the best for liver flushes. Apples are ok.

The best thing is to buy malic acid and drink it daily. And keep flushing. I dont go by Moritz style or any other style, I go by my style. I flushed all the stones out. and did it weekly. So the gallbladder stayed open all the time. I found that if you flush every 2-3 weeks , stones block it. And that impairs digestion. So I chose to keep flushing non stop.


The goal of apples or malic acid is not to clean you out, but to produce bile acid. And wait till this bile acid softens dilutes your cholesterole and billirubin deposits

You dont eat regular food during flushes, you go on more veggy fruit diet. cycled with low protein rice.



Also remember that if you plan to flush it all out, keep doing it and never get lazy and wait for the stones to soften. Also remember that you can always gulp a liter of oil in case of some blockage. And if you flush 30 or more times, you will have the blockages. since the big ones start going and your bile ducts will be very flexible by then.


Good luck , liver flushes are great, you wont regret it.

Isn't it NAD TO NADH instead of NADH TO NADPH ?
Principles of Biochemistry/Krebs cycle or Citric acid cycle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

 

[Helen]

Isn't it NAD TO NADH instead of NADH TO NADPH ?
Principles of Biochemistry/Krebs cycle or Citric acid cycle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

it is usually NADP to NADPH.

When pentose is not working NADPH can be made from NADH in krebs cycle using malate isocitrate enzymes

 

[Admiral]

Liver flushes make me dehydrated and fatigued for days. Dr Wilson also mentions that liver flushes aren’t necessary on an ARL program, so I might quit them all together. Hopefully my yellowish/orange tan subsides either way. I have that for years now and am quite fed up with people assuming I use spray tan, for fucks sake haha.

 

[Canari]

Liver flushes make me dehydrated and fatigued for days. Dr Wilson also mentions that liver flushes aren’t necessary on an ARL program, so I might quit them all together. Hopefully my yellowish/orange tan subsides either way. I have that for years now and am quite fed up with people assuming I use spray tan, for fucks sake haha.

Do the diet free of vitamine A or at least avoid all caroten!

 

[BC2018]

Most cases of pancreatitus keep people in the hospital for a week, and I was out in three days.

This actually happened to me right around the time that Avicci died from pancratitis.

Avicii committed suicide. He was depressed by his hairloss because youthful looks is feminist males offer women and gays. Since he produces fake electronic music we can assume he's not against artificial solutions so he must have tried Fin which means he's another PFS suicide statistic and thanks to him being a coward who couldn't even tweet out a message about the effects of the drug when he was stabbing himself we're no closer to getting a cure or getting it off the market.

If he never tried fin and had gone straight to the hair transplants he probably wouldn't be suicidal and have declining health at such a young age. But people would notice his hairline changed and would talk about it and then he would probably suicide from that. And more men will suicide from the effects of fin thanks to him.

Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

 

[BC2018]

I have that for years now and am quite fed up with people assuming I use spray tan, for fucks sake haha.

A tan is better than being extremely pale from PFS and people staring at you like they've seen a ghost. What's ARL?

 

[MNK99]

Hope he ok, this BC2018 guy. But yeah I think Avicii did commit suicide partially due to Accutane, maybe hair loss too but he had INSANE anxiety for years and hated that life... minus the money and partying and surely the drugs (probably love and hate with that too). RIP.