Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[Helen]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I thought you had pfs and cured it long time ago?

I took fin again 2 weeks ago. just to test this all out myself

 

[TubZy]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I thought you had pfs and cured it long time ago?

For clarification, he has a lab where he can see what is exactly happening during fin and post, he is not just blindly taking it again ( I wouldn't either).

 

[MNK99]

RE: @Tubzy "For clarification, he has a lab where he can see what is exactly happening during fin and post for, he is not just blindly taking it again."

That's incredible.

 

[TubZy]

Also from papi Gbol regarding licorice root

look at this this way
CORTISOL goes 2 ways
one way is to cortisone
another way is thru 5 alpha reductase
if 5 alpha reductase is blocked
then cortisol goes to corisone
excessively
CORTISOL blocks insulin
you get diabetic
= PFS
which causes water retention, low libido, blood sugar crashes
etc
yup that makese sense
so NOW
i told you i had bad bad blood sugar issues PFS
you take licorice
this blocks cortisol conversion to cortisone
and cortisol builds up
and forces
5 alpha reductase2
to go online
that is why all those ray peaters
always will be hypogonadale
cortisol increases DHT
and DHT is not good
as haidut says
DHT is increased when metabolism goes down
and body does not need cortisol

it blocks
cortisol to cortisone converion
this increases cortisol
and forces 5 alpha reductase to go up
since 5 alpha reductase 2
breaks down cortisol

 

[brix]

So is he pro licorice root or no? [mention]TubZy[/mention]

 

[TubZy]

From Gbol regarding ace

it tanks potassium and sodium
and bicarbobate
bicarbonate

 

[Shadow]

sorry to comment this but OMG, Im laughing my ass off with "papi Gbol"

 

[TubZy]

sorry to comment this but OMG, Im laughing my ass off with "papi Gbol"

papi chulo :lol:

 

[wuf]

sorry to comment this but OMG, Im laughing my ass off with "papi Gbol"

Gbold is the shit!
He is the new hero.
By the way I can report improvements in all symptoms in these last weeks and I keep my crossed fingers.
What I am basically doing is using randomly the protocol he suggested for my case (DHEA crash- being also a PFS suffer).
I am using NAD, B6, MAGNESIUM and a little Potassium... but not every day, I am making little cycles of 5 days on and 5 days off.
I have improved my overall symptoms, sexual as well.

I am looking to start ozone therapy... could it help? [mention]gbolduev[/mention]

http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/ozone_therapy.html

 

[MNK99]

Sorry if this was addressed, but is there a way I can see if I am likely case 1 or 2?
Are blood tests the only way?\

Will reactions to zinc show me? Or Pine Pollen (ordered that and 6 other herbs rec by CDNuts).

And are people trialling RU486 in one case and Ella in the other?

 

[BeLikeWater]

I took fin, felt fine on it. Then quit fin, after 2-3 days off I crashed very hard. could not even walk. or think. total subworld.

Saturday I was feeling very bad. I was off fin for a week. then took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium

Yesterday I took thorne and above at different times

Today woke up fine with an erection. Went out , no anxiety. I will test if this sticks when I quit all of this within a week

I thought you had pfs and cured it long time ago?

I took fin again 2 weeks ago. just to test this all out myself

Ok dont you think taking finasteride and leave it very slowly will help? Probably pfs is just a downregulation of DHT receptors. Thats why we crash with a week but feel very well just after leaving it, 1-3 days after leaving finas.

 

[Snow1]

Thanks mate, it does not bother me to much around price and it seems easy enough to get online - if only buy one pill but trying to decide if I should get Ella or RU to have in the draw if it proves well on the forum and I have it ready to rock and roll if the time comes I should take it.

 

[IHateFin]

Sorry if this was addressed, but is there a way I can see if I am likely case 1 or 2?
Are blood tests the only way?\

Will reactions to zinc show me? Or Pine Pollen (ordered that and 6 other herbs rec by CDNuts).

And are people trialling RU486 in one case and Ella in the other?

We have seen both cases try ru and see good results so it's more of a preference for choosing one over the other.
I think if you take zinc n it castrates you then you know prog and potassium are issues.

 

[MNK99]

Sorry if this was addressed, but is there a way I can see if I am likely case 1 or 2?
Are blood tests the only way?\

Will reactions to zinc show me? Or Pine Pollen (ordered that and 6 other herbs rec by CDNuts).

And are people trialling RU486 in one case and Ella in the other?

We have seen both cases try ru and see good results so it's more of a preference for choosing one over the other.
I think if you take zinc n it castrates you then you know prog and potassium are issues.

Hmm... Maybe I ought to not risk the further castration. I mean how much more castration can there be... at the same time do I really want to find out? No.

I'm water fasting for now.This new forum has inspired me.
Thanks @Tubzy for making this and everyone else for their contributions. Maybe after that I can use RU486 and then herbs.
Thanks to @Gbolduev and @Cdnuts as well.

 

[IHateFin]

Sorry if this was addressed, but is there a way I can see if I am likely case 1 or 2?
Are blood tests the only way?\

Will reactions to zinc show me? Or Pine Pollen (ordered that and 6 other herbs rec by CDNuts).

And are people trialling RU486 in one case and Ella in the other?

We have seen both cases try ru and see good results so it's more of a preference for choosing one over the other.
I think if you take zinc n it castrates you then you know prog and potassium are issues.

Hmm... Maybe I ought to not risk the further castration. I mean how much more castration can there be... at the same time do I really want to find out? No.

I'm water fasting for now.This new forum has inspired me.
Thanks @Tubzy for making this and everyone else for their contributions. Maybe after that I can use RU486 and then herbs.
Thanks to @Gbolduev and @Cdnuts as well.

Yeah zinc increases 3bHSD which will increase pregnenalone's conversion to progesterone so your levels will increase also increasing potassium retention in the cell. This will def castrate you more haha

We are glad to have ya here, bro. Not glad that you have PFS, but ya know what I mean haha

If you don't wanna take ru and try herbs instead you can give what I'm doing a whirl. It almost hits all the items gboldev lined up except for something that tanks sodium.

I'm currently taking the following:

1. Inositol 18+g a day (tanks potassium, upregs D2, increases insulin sensativity)
2. Randro 400mg a day ( tanks 3bHSD, tanks estrogen, increases DHT not through 5AR tho)
3. Tribulous 800mg a day (increases LH, antiprogesterone)
4. Tongkat ali 200:1 200mg a day ( lowers SHBG)
5. Selenium 200mcg (good for thyroid)
6. Thorn extra every 3 days 1 pill (refuel cofactors)

All these make me feel like I'm on ru it's hard to explain haha this combo has very similar properties.

 

[MNK99]

Thanks bro! [mention]IHateFin[/mention]
I will write this down for further use. I think I will try Ella or RU, but need to finagle a prescription and really see the fast thing thru. I did fasted jogging, then I.F. for years - this is harder, but only thing holding me back is fear.

I did 12 days of juice feasting or so and my stomach was not quite as bad, but I freaked out and did eat and drink alcohol (stupid).
I was a machine of productivity, and I think I can get back with a lot of hard work and as you and others say belief.

 

[HereToHeal]

Guys please help!
I just got my blood test done. Progesterone appears to be normal at 0.1 BUT my estrogen (estradiol) is at 9 which appears to be really low.
I have 3 questions.
1. Do you still recommend I take Ella?
2. Should I take Licorice root as it increases estrogen?
3. If i take the licorice, won't my body recognize it as an external source of estrogen and plummet it down even further when i stop taking it?

Thank you so much!!

 

[IHateFin]

Thanks bro! @IHateFin
I will write this down for further use. I think I will try Ella or RU, but need to finagle a prescription and really see the fast thing thru. I did fasted jogging, then I.F. for years - this is harder, but only thing holding me back is fear.

I did 12 days of juice feasting or so and my stomach was not quite as bad, but I freaked out and did eat and drink alcohol (stupid).
I was a machine of productivity, and I think I can get back with a lot of hard work and as you and others say belief.

yeah the fast should help a lot. maybe let a few weeks go by after your off the fast to see how you feel before you start anything. heck maybe some cofactors after the fast would be good too or thorn extra which has them all.
yeah a pure and strick water fast will do a lot of good! I have never done a fast, but a lot of us here have.

 

[IHateFin]

Guys please help!
I just got my blood test done. Progesterone appears to be normal at 0.1 BUT my estrogen (estradiol) is at 9 which appears to be really low.
I have 3 questions.
1. Do you still recommend I take Ella?
2. Should I take Licorice root as it increases estrogen?
3. If i take the licorice, won't my body recognize it as an external source of estrogen and plummet it down even further when i stop taking it?

Thank you so much!!

Progesterone and its receptors can drive estrogen down so if your prog is low your receptors could still be off or there's a mineral imbalance that is causing too sensitive prog receptors making the little prog you have activate a good amount of them and still drive that estrogen down.

.1ng is still high as the top range is believed to be < .15ng so your in range but def at thee top end.
Ru will drive your prog down and your potassium.
Licorice could be a good choice but you won't have to worry about the body seeing it as exogenous estrogen.
Maybe a ru plus licorice would be decent, but if you did this your ru better be super low like max 5mg since ru will increase your estrogen when prog tanks.

If you take ru by it's self I would run 10mg for 3 days. 5mg is enough to destroy progesterone and even 5mg of Ella is proving fruitful.

 

[HereToHeal]

Guys please help!
I just got my blood test done. Progesterone appears to be normal at 0.1 BUT my estrogen (estradiol) is at 9 which appears to be really low.
I have 3 questions.
1. Do you still recommend I take Ella?
2. Should I take Licorice root as it increases estrogen?
3. If i take the licorice, won't my body recognize it as an external source of estrogen and plummet it down even further when i stop taking it?

Thank you so much!!

Progesterone and its receptors can drive estrogen down so if your prog is low your receptors could still be off or there's a mineral imbalance that is causing too sensitive prog receptors making the little prog you have activate a good amount of them and still drive that estrogen down.

.1ng is still high as the top range is believed to be < .15ng so your in range but def at thee top end.
Ru will drive your prog down and your potassium.
Licorice could be a good choice but you won't have to worry about the body seeing it as exogenous estrogen.
Maybe a ru plus licorice would be decent, but if you did this your ru better be super low like max 5mg since ru will increase your estrogen when prog tanks.

If you take ru by it's self I would run 10mg for 3 days. 5mg is enough to destroy progesterone and even 5mg of Ella is proving fruitful.

I will try a single 5mg dose of Ella and see what happens. If that doesn't cut it, i will try the licorice root. Thank you for your comment!