Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[Snell1234]

Guys please help!
I just got my blood test done. Progesterone appears to be normal at 0.1 BUT my estrogen (estradiol) is at 9 which appears to be really low.
I have 3 questions.
1. Do you still recommend I take Ella?
2. Should I take Licorice root as it increases estrogen?
3. If i take the licorice, won't my body recognize it as an external source of estrogen and plummet it down even further when i stop taking it?

Thank you so much!!

Progesterone and its receptors can drive estrogen down so if your prog is low your receptors could still be off or there's a mineral imbalance that is causing too sensitive prog receptors making the little prog you have activate a good amount of them and still drive that estrogen down.

.1ng is still high as the top range is believed to be < .15ng so your in range but def at thee top end.
Ru will drive your prog down and your potassium.
Licorice could be a good choice but you won't have to worry about the body seeing it as exogenous estrogen.
Maybe a ru plus licorice would be decent, but if you did this your ru better be super low like max 5mg since ru will increase your estrogen when prog tanks.

If you take ru by it's self I would run 10mg for 3 days. 5mg is enough to destroy progesterone and even 5mg of Ella is proving fruitful.

I will try a single 5mg dose of Ella and see what happens. If that doesn't cut it, i will try the licorice root. Thank you for your comment!

You have to post your full results including ranges if you want any proper advice.

 

[HereToHeal]

I only got those two tests done.

Estradiol: 9.0 pg/mL Normal range for men : 13 - 59
Progesterone: 0.1 ng/mL Normal range for men : 0.2 - 1.4

That was all the info that appeared on the test. A couple of months ago I tested my testosterone and free T and they were fine.

 

[IHateFin]

can someone post a source for ace in the source section??

 

[Snell1234]

I only got those two tests done.

Estradiol: 9.0 pg/mL Normal range for men : 13 - 59
Progesterone: 0.1 ng/mL Normal range for men : 0.2 - 1.4

That was all the info that appeared on the test. A couple of months ago I tested my testosterone and free T and they were fine.

Looks like low progesterone. Ask [mention]gbolduev[/mention] for his thoughts on this.

 

[MNK99]

@gbolduev
gbolduev wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2017, 9:54 am

"Hey guys,
Took Fin for 2 days in a row. Huge dosages. now off almost 3 days. HUGE freaking crash. Holy shit. I am testing this still. But Holy molly , I forgot how this garbage crashes people. I had panic attacks all day today. This garbage needs to be stopped. I will report all my findings by the weekend . Did you guys have this kind of crash when you stopped Fin? I dont remember crashing this bad before."

At first mine was mild, then later crashed again -- and was staying bed with suicidal thoughts and worrying. MMJ while on that was bad. Jesus Christ mate, you've got balls of steel to try this again. Stay safe.

 

[TubZy]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] what is there theory behind tobacco/nicotine? I tried it in the past and did make me feel better.

Was just curious on why you think it could help. Does it lower progesterone, or do anything with minerals or cortisol etc.?

 

[Shadow]

@gbolduev what is there theory behind tobacco/nicotine? I tried it in the past and did make me feel better.

Was just curious on why you think it could help. Does it lower progesterone, or do anything with minerals or cortisol etc.?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/hormones-and-smoking.87214/

 

[TubZy]

@gbolduev what is there theory behind tobacco/nicotine? I tried it in the past and did make me feel better.

Was just curious on why you think it could help. Does it lower progesterone, or do anything with minerals or cortisol etc.?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/hormones-and-smoking.87214/

Yeah did read about that trying to see how it fits in regards to PFS. Also optizinc plus tobacco/nicotine even had a better effect when I tried it a long time ago.

 

[jacknap]

We have seen both cases try ru and see good results so it's more of a preference for choosing one over the other.
I think if you take zinc n it castrates you then you know prog and potassium are issues.

Hmm... Maybe I ought to not risk the further castration. I mean how much more castration can there be... at the same time do I really want to find out? No.

I'm water fasting for now.This new forum has inspired me.
Thanks @Tubzy for making this and everyone else for their contributions. Maybe after that I can use RU486 and then herbs.
Thanks to @Gbolduev and @Cdnuts as well.

Yeah zinc increases 3bHSD which will increase pregnenalone's conversion to progesterone so your levels will increase also increasing potassium retention in the cell. This will def castrate you more haha

We are glad to have ya here, bro. Not glad that you have PFS, but ya know what I mean haha

If you don't wanna take ru and try herbs instead you can give what I'm doing a whirl. It almost hits all the items gboldev lined up except for something that tanks sodium.

I'm currently taking the following:

1. Inositol 18+g a day (tanks potassium, upregs D2, increases insulin sensativity)
2. Randro 400mg a day ( tanks 3bHSD, tanks estrogen, increases DHT not through 5AR tho)
3. Tribulous 800mg a day (increases LH, antiprogesterone)
4. Tongkat ali 200:1 200mg a day ( lowers SHBG)
5. Selenium 200mcg (good for thyroid)
6. Thorn extra every 3 days 1 pill (refuel cofactors)

All these make me feel like I'm on ru it's hard to explain haha this combo has very similar properties.

the guys who used andro to recover save the herbal T boosters till after cycle as a pct and just once a week rotated with other herbs. ie. trib / tongkat + 5 others or as many as 21+ others on a rotation

 

[IHateFin]

Hmm... Maybe I ought to not risk the further castration. I mean how much more castration can there be... at the same time do I really want to find out? No.

I'm water fasting for now.This new forum has inspired me.
Thanks @Tubzy for making this and everyone else for their contributions. Maybe after that I can use RU486 and then herbs.
Thanks to @Gbolduev and @Cdnuts as well.

Yeah zinc increases 3bHSD which will increase pregnenalone's conversion to progesterone so your levels will increase also increasing potassium retention in the cell. This will def castrate you more haha

We are glad to have ya here, bro. Not glad that you have PFS, but ya know what I mean haha

If you don't wanna take ru and try herbs instead you can give what I'm doing a whirl. It almost hits all the items gboldev lined up except for something that tanks sodium.

I'm currently taking the following:

1. Inositol 18+g a day (tanks potassium, upregs D2, increases insulin sensativity)
2. Randro 400mg a day ( tanks 3bHSD, tanks estrogen, increases DHT not through 5AR tho)
3. Tribulous 800mg a day (increases LH, antiprogesterone)
4. Tongkat ali 200:1 200mg a day ( lowers SHBG)
5. Selenium 200mcg (good for thyroid)
6. Thorn extra every 3 days 1 pill (refuel cofactors)

All these make me feel like I'm on ru it's hard to explain haha this combo has very similar properties.

the guys who used andro to recover save the herbal T boosters till after cycle as a pct and just once a week rotated with other herbs. ie. trib / tongkat + 5 others or as many as 21+ others on a rotation

I think my pct may be boron and lcarnitine and maybe tongkat. im not sure but im ditching the trib when I hop off everything. my cycle ends on 11/21/2017

 

[tanedout]

day 4. I'm thinking about moving this to my log thread, will copy it there eventually, but it seems pretty relevant to this new stuff!

Zinc magnesium copper boron licorice days 1 and 2, same things but without the licorice days 3-7. Sleep is a bit disturbed but I feel fine overall. Dick feels great. I mean really damn great.

How's this progressing, are you still seeing benefits?!

 

[expendable]

day 4. I'm thinking about moving this to my log thread, will copy it there eventually, but it seems pretty relevant to this new stuff!

Zinc magnesium copper boron licorice days 1 and 2, same things but without the licorice days 3-7. Sleep is a bit disturbed but I feel fine overall. Dick feels great. I mean really damn great.

How's this progressing, are you still seeing benefits?!

I decided to take off from everything on days 6 and 7... Today is day 7 so I'll be starting again tomorrow. It would not be an understatement to say I feel 90% back to normal consistently.

 

[Jaxx]

90%, That is amazing! Great to hear!

 

[expendable]

90%, That is amazing! Great to hear!

Yeah! I do hope that with the RU I have coming and the inositol I can push myself back to 100%. For now I'm going to keep cycling this mix of stuff and see where it takes me.

 

[Shadow]

90%, That is amazing! Great to hear!

Yeah! I do hope that with the RU I have coming and the inositol I can push myself back to 100%. For now I'm going to keep cycling this mix of stuff and see where it takes me.

Amazing expendable =)
How much and which kind of minerals are you taking

 

[talkingant]

What kind and dosage of licorice root is everyone using?

 

[expendable]

90%, That is amazing! Great to hear!

Yeah! I do hope that with the RU I have coming and the inositol I can push myself back to 100%. For now I'm going to keep cycling this mix of stuff and see where it takes me.

Amazing expendable =)
How much and which kind of minerals are you taking

day 1: licorice root 450mg, copper 2mg, magnesium 250mg, zinc 50mg, boron .5ml (~2.5mg)
day 2: same
day 3: same, no lic. root
day 4: same as 3
day 5: same as 3
day 6: nothing
day 7: nothing

 

[TubZy]

Also wanted to point out, been doing some more research on some stuff and it seems the herb jiaogulan is anti sodium and can retain potassium in the cell. So it could be good for anyone coming off of RU/ella/licorice etc. to get potassium back up quick again.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/52944-jiaogulin-gynostemma-pentaphyllum-the-immortality-herb/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/53029-looking-to-manage-memory-adhd-stimless/?&p=490323#entry490323

jiaogulan, a circulation tonic and immune stimulant. It's a general longevity herb.

• Stabilizes blood pressure
  Increases NO
  Lowers heart rate while increasing heart stroke
  Increases SOD
  Lowers cholesterol and triglecerides
  Treats jet lag and altitude sickness
  Treats diabetes
  Protective of dopaminergic neurons
  Suppresses tumor growth
  Attenuates white matter from brain decline
  Inhibits Na/K Pump in the brain (retains Potassium in the cell, lowers Sodium)

The thing I am most interested in is its Potassium retention effects. Potassium, as many have noted, can arguably treat ADHD symptoms. As HighOrder stated, it's a really hard mineral to make sure you get enough. It may be interesting to note that both the D4 dopaminergic receptor and Alpha2A adrenergic receptor both downregulate cAMP production in the prefrontal cortex, and that cAMP inhibits proper transmission in this area. cAMP upregulates the Na/K pump.

 

[Shadow]

[mention]TubZy[/mention] any news from "papi chulo"? :lol:

 

[TubZy]

@TubZy any news from "papi chulo"? :lol:

nothing yet, although other people may have gotten a response him before me, been busy the past few days