Copper/Zinc Thread
Zinc lowers Magnesium which makes Copper bio-unavailable. This will lower your serum Manganese. Since serum Manganese goes down your IRON can’t come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.
Calcium Magnesium Copper Zinc Manganese supplement will fix you up. Copper alone 25mg will increase sodium too much and that will lower Magnesium and basically ceruloplasmin will tank, even if you take 25mg which is insane.
Bottom line, Copper when you take it tanks Potassium and puts pressure on Magnesium. When Potassium tanks on taking 25mg Copper, body will increase sodium extraction and will try to retain Potassium by increasing 3 beta HSD, and will retain Magnesium. Since you don’t have enough Magnesium, you taking Copper is doing nothing.
This is the biggest mistake of people taking Copper. Copper only should be taken with Potassium and Magnesium and sometimes Manganese. Otherwise taking Copper will never raise your ceruloplasmin.
This is what happened to you. when you took Zinc, your Potassium in the cell went up since Zinc increases 3 beta HSD.
Then you took a little bit of Copper and your drive sex drive went up. But you took so much Copper that your Potassium tanks from high to low. Now body is retaining Zinc and getting rid of Copper LOL
For your body to retain Copper you need to support Potassium level with Potassium and Magnesium.
In any case, try supplement
Magnesium, calcium, d3, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, boron. It should fix you within a week or so.
Once you get your progesterone sensitive again. your copper will work on its own. just eat seafood, oysters, shrimp stuff like that.
I mean you had amazing improvement in every department. Feelings, quantity of sperm (the more important) means that FSH is working again which depends on copper. and penis sensitivity. I mean that is in 3 days. this is very good signs. And these happened when you were not on the substance but off it. Which will stick.
people never have emotions back with PFS. I remember when I was sick, I did not care about anything, almost dead. I cared less about women but had sex with them. when I got back to normal, difference was night and day. most of you already forgot what compassion is and what normal feelings are. You are all logical now. NO FEELINGS. like robots. This is zinc oriented people. Copper is what gives those emotions. Hypoxia caused by alkalosis is terrible.
There is a guy called Freddd. He found that he had low copper and he took like 20mg of it.
Read this. His testosterone went up, his libido went up, his hairloss went up
Copper deficiency....?
But I think his copper is simply bio unavailable, since steroids progestins caused sodium retention and alkalosis with increased volume. Not in every case, but I saw it on many tests.
IRON
Retention of iron in the liver is due to low estrogen. Peat is super wrong on this. Women after menopause start retaining iron in their livers also, since their estrogen levels fall.
Basically, if you are stressed you will use a lot of pregnenolone to make progesterone for cortisol and aldosterone pathway and will have very little DHEA. That will put your testosterone and estradiol into the lower part of the range. And you will start accumulating iron and copper in the liver. The mechanism how it works is this.
To release iron from the liver you need xanthine oxidase which runs on vitamin B2 and molybdenum, then you need ceruloplasmin to oxidize iron and put it on transferrin.
SO here we can possibly have 2 problems, lack of B2 or molybdenum, and lack of DHEA from stress so there is very little estrogen made. LOW estrogen equals low ceruloplasmin which equals no iron on transferrin and tons of it in ferritin.
Another problem is suppressing estrogen)))) like Peat advices, and then you run low on zinc no matter what you do and you wear glasses as thick as a windshield in your car)). Estrogen is needed to make zinc bioavailable since without bioavailable copper that estrogen provides your zinc levels will be suppressed. And when you run low on bioavailable zinc your protein synthesis goes down the drain and what suffers first. Yes, you got it, the tiny muscles around your eyes. NOW we look at the thickness of PEATs glasses))) Can’t see his eyes behind those. It is funny that I had the same when I got sick before I got into all this medical crap. I remember I was driving a car and I could not see the signs on the road and my eyes constantly got tired.
SO, the good idea would be to test your DHEA, Pregnenolone and B2 and molybdenum status. IF you have low pregnenolone, that is most likely you have SIBO in the gut, since pregnenolone is made from cholesterol and coenzyme A which requires B5 in its active form --pantethine and acetic acid(vinegar).
B5 recycling depends on the gut. That is why so many people are helped with simple vinegar plus brewer’s yeast.
Also, iron chelation is good, but don’t forget we have low iron in tissues but some free iron in the organs and tons of iron in the liver. SO, I think proper iron chelation would be by making iron bioavailable so it does not spill from the liver and making sure you have proper ceruloplasmin levels to make iron work.
Copper is needed to lower iron, most people have low bound iron in the cell, since most people have low bioavailable copper. Unbound iron is the culprit of the problems, bound iron is needed and very good for you. And everyone is low on it. Look at hair tests, 90 out of 100 will have low iron not high. SO, when you have ceruloplasmin iron will be put on transferrin and to me it has nothing to do with saturation at all. Iron is good in the cell, we don’t have it there, we have it in the liver spilling into blood in free form and then it gets into organs in free form. That is way different.
If you will run low on iron, your thyroid will be down and ceruloplasmin won’t rise. Manganese and copper lower iron in the liver by making it available to the body to the cell. Molybdenum and b2 are also needed for this. Since they mobilize iron from the liver stores and then copper converts it into usable form and then it is put onto transferrin.
it is not about chelating or stopping iron, you are low on it in the cell, as everyone else. It is about making it go into the cell, instead of growing bigger and bigger in the liver, decreasing and decreasing manganese and impairing detox and spilling into kidneys pancreas and other organs in free form
And ferritin says nothing about your liver stores, if you are low on manganese you simply don’t make ferritin and you make much less ceruloplasmin. As an example, your ferritin says 10. Doctor gives you iron, and you kill yourself further. Your liver is full of it, you take manganese and your ferritin will rise without even taking iron since ferritin was not being made without manganese
Anemia of chronic disease does not have high iron in the cell. I had it. My iron was super low in hair nails. My ferritin was 400. My iron in the cell was low. I am not talking about plasma iron, free iron won’t be in blood, but it will spill. Most people have iron overload in the liver. may be over 90 percent of them and most of these people are low in iron in the cell.
CELL IRON is low in most people, high or low ferritin. Ferritin does not correspond to even liver stores of iron. It is a fact. The best indicator that you are getting better on hair tests when your iron gets higher. Also, ferritin shows absolutely nothing. Just take T3 hormones and check it, you will be surprised, Ferritin will skyrocket WHY? Since if you are not hypothyroid, body will take iron out of blood ASAP Also if you have infection, body will store iron in the liver and take it out of blood, and put copper there.
Aspirin takes care of inflammation by making sugar go into the cell. That raises DHEA and lowers cortisol. Cortisol production is NEVER dysregulated. NEVER. And it does not need to come down. Cortisol can be raised for many purposes and not only inflammation. Inflammation is just one reason. Cortisol can and will be raised if you have pancreas problem, sugar problems, etc. And it is raised to save you. You live on cortisol let’s say if you are insulin resistant. And if you lower cortisol you will die.))) YOU NEED to lower cortisol not with a drug. You need to lower it by satisfying condition for what it is raised. Let’s say no sugar in the cell. Satisfy that condition and it will fall. But if you lower it without satisfying that condition by some stupid drug or by inhibiting ACTH, that is simply silly/
Progesterone always goes into aldosterone and cortisol pathway)))) it is made for that reason. I said that if you give progesterone it will raise cortisol at first then it will lower it, if you needed cortisol spike. If you need cortisol at a constant rate, progesterone will raise cortisol. Don’t forget progesterone increases potassium in the cell. Cortisol rises with potassium. That is why to raise cortisol people can use potassium supplements.
I am not saying to take cortisol supplements. I am saying that DHEA does not lower cortisol if you need cortisol. It will lower cortisol only if you had blood sugar problems. Also, progesterone will lower cortisol only if it was high and you needed more aldosterone.
Also, why would progesterone increase blood pressure, it wastes sodium. Also, try giving that progesterone to women with normal progesterone they will bleed to death.
Bottom line, it is not high cortisol that the culprit of a problem, it is the real problem that is causing high cortisol. And if cortisol is stuck up there, that means body can’t fix that problem. OR cortisol did not spike high enough, and now it is high but not high enough/ That is why progesterone lowers cortisol, since cortisol spikes where it needs to take care of whatever it was doing and then it comes down.
DHEA will increase cortisol and it increases estrogen))) You can see many people here playing with pregnenolone and dhea and getting hairloss and acne etc. That is because if you increase DHEA too much or take it with pregnenolone, that will increase cortisol progesterone, Estrogen testosterone.
Why do you think DHEA is for anti-aging? WHY? I will tell you why. It increases estrogen)))) estrogen will chelate copper from the liver and it raises ceruloplasmin in blood. Read the study where estrogen totally clears liver from copper and puts it into the cells and brain basically fixing prions. Most people when they die have very high copper in their livers and zero copper in their body, since their DHEA production goes down which lowers their estrogen to very low. estrogen binds copper from the liver. Peat is saying that we are losing copper))) LMAO just do the biopsy of your liver and see how you are losing it)))) it will be full of copper and iron. And the only way to chelate copper and iron out of there is to increase estrogen. Ceruloplasmin goes up and then your liver copper goes down, that puts up molybdenum and manganese in there which will release iron thru xanthine oxidase which will be oxidized by ceruloplasmin. PEAT is totally wrong about this. And eating tons of copper has the same effect as raw food diet, first 6 months you do great on it then you crash hard. Since copper taken will stimulate adrenals and eventually they will burn out.
If you lower your estrogen, you won’t be binding copper)))) YOU will suffer so bad it is not even funny.
As funny as it sounds, taking progesterone increases estrogen. Just look at the chart. you take progesterone, more pregnenolone is free and it gets converted into DHEA which will raise estrogen testosterone etc.
BALANCE is a key. Some people’s metabolisms are fast and some are slow depending on their food activity and so forth. That is why for some PUFA is a miracle and poison for others. For some estrogen is bad and it is helpful for others
Yes. Especially liver. Liver is a NO NO for the slow oxidizer. LIVER IS full of copper. and slow oxidizers livers are full of copper. Fast oxidizers hyperventilate they have strong sympathetic system, they are getting rid of copper and their ceruloplasmin are high. they need more calcium and magnesium to slow down the sympathetic nervous system, this will stop their copper losses.
this is why when you are sick with certain cancer, you just go and run run run run / this will get rid of unbound copper, it will speed up your metabolism. and cure your cancer.
People don’t' become short on minerals, their life style makes them lose or retain certain minerals.
This is why light therapy works. It effects the mineral retention. Red Light therapy chelates copper since it increases adrenaline.
Red light is used in ECKS system to chelate copper.
Some people do good on blue light, some people do good on green light. Light therapy and contrarian endocrinology is the future.
Soon a machine will be created where you can get balanced on a daily basis just sleeping with certain light sequences. I am looking into this also. just imagine, you can get tested, if you are slow oxidizer, more red light sequences, fast oxidizers more blue light sequences. And you are balanced all the time.
this is very interesting and I know couple people already work with this with just amazing results. they created handmade machines with lights and also created a testing method on what lights to use.
To get healthy you need to change your life style. This way you won’t need to take any supplements at all. I don't take anything. AT ALL, I eat a balanced diet.
I think you might have made yourself potassium deficient. I would try to take potassium with magnesium for a while to restore your insulin levels. then try to add some zinc and manganese or thorne extra nutrients.
Without potassium, you can’t make insulin. Also without ionized calcium you can’t release insulin. For calcium to stay ionized you need to have magnesium. Without magnesium, your potassium will go down, since aldosterone will stay sky high.
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