Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

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<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="599" time="1507417823" user_id="52"><s>

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Sounds good TubZy. I feel like the small dosage and short cycle could be very effective considering my progesterone levels are slightly elevated by 0.1.
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Sweet. If you and @5 alpha try this method we should have some good results.
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sounds good. I'm sold. I'll do 3 days in a row at 50mg. Do you think I should take something to control prolactin at the end of the 3 days?</r>

 

[SunJeep]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<t>I can try the shorter cycle also, just waiting until I’m back from an extended work trip.</t>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="612" time="1507423572" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=612 time=1507423572 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="TubZy" post_id="600" time="1507419173" user_id="2"><s>

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<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="599" time="1507417823" user_id="52"><s>

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Sounds good TubZy. I feel like the small dosage and short cycle could be very effective considering my progesterone levels are slightly elevated by 0.1.
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Sweet. If you and @5 alpha try this method we should have some good results.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

sounds good. I'm sold. I'll do 3 days in a row at 50mg. Do you think I should take something to control prolactin at the end of the 3 days?
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I doubt you will need for such a short cycle 5 alpha. At least that is what I think.</r>

 

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="614" time="1507424628" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="612" time="1507423572" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=612 time=1507423572 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="TubZy" post_id="600" time="1507419173" user_id="2"><s>

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Sweet. If you and @5 alpha try this method we should have some good results.
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sounds good. I'm sold. I'll do 3 days in a row at 50mg. Do you think I should take something to control prolactin at the end of the 3 days?
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I doubt you will need for such a short cycle 5 alpha. At least that is what I think.
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ok nice . So if all three of us , me you and jeep are all going to start with a 3 day cycle should at least one of us do something different as far as adding a co factor or something for prolactin ?</r>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="616" time="1507428063" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=616 time=1507428063 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="614" time="1507424628" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="612" time="1507423572" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=612 time=1507423572 user_id=57]</s>
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sounds good. I'm sold. I'll do 3 days in a row at 50mg. Do you think I should take something to control prolactin at the end of the 3 days?
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I doubt you will need for such a short cycle 5 alpha. At least that is what I think.
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ok nice . So if all three of us , me you and jeep are all going to start with a 3 day cycle should at least one of us do something different as far as adding a co factor or something for prolactin ?
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That would be interesting 5 alpha. I can try out the 3 day cycle at a low dose without taking anything else. SunJeep will start his cycle sometime next month I believe. When are you starting yours 5 alpha?</r>

 

[Scenes]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="gbolduev" post_id="521" time="1507393048" user_id="90"><s>

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<QUOTE author="BeLikeWater" post_id="519" time="1507392764" user_id="112"><s>

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<QUOTE author="Jaxx" post_id="517" time="1507392105" user_id="61"><s>

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Think the point was it is a modulator, bringing it back to balance either way, right
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Seems like gambling to me, but hopefully it works, but in other point of view, if people had so good results taking it, maybe something that has done will point us to the cause of why the improvements.
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this is all gambling at this point. It is all experimental, no one knows how RU acts. We had one recovery using ulipristal which has almost identical structure to mifepristone.
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When we say we should feel better or feel worse - what exactly should we feel? Like physical (nausea/headaches/fatigue) or mental (depression, no drive)?<br/>
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For me some things felt better, some felt worse, but there was no DRASTIC change in anything.</r>

 

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="617" time="1507428545" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="616" time="1507428063" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=616 time=1507428063 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="614" time="1507424628" user_id="52"><s>

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I doubt you will need for such a short cycle 5 alpha. At least that is what I think.
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ok nice . So if all three of us , me you and jeep are all going to start with a 3 day cycle should at least one of us do something different as far as adding a co factor or something for prolactin ?
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That would be interesting 5 alpha. I can try out the 3 day cycle at a low dose without taking anything else. SunJeep will start his cycle sometime next month I believe. When are you starting yours 5 alpha?
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I am shooting for next Monday October 16th unless I end up feeling like some more time is needed to rule out some variables that could confuse things. I stopped taking NADH yesterday to prepare. I am stopping herb rotation today. As of today all I am on is Vitamin D, C,K, calcium during the day and Magnisum and Glycin at night. <br/>
<br/>
All for the last few days stress/work has been extremely high with no time to go to the gym, not enough sleep. I feel fatigued, legs feel heavy with headache.<br/>
<br/>
I was exposed to a mysterious white powder at work which was thought to be chemical or biological and later determined to be Fentanyl. I have been "feeling" like that has been making me feel like crap but I am thinking it's just placebo/fear that it was something worse from not getting straight answer about what it was and while feeling like shit just from being exhausted.<br/>
<br/>
lol i know it sounds stupid but I'm just working that out mentally before I start and I'll get my labs this week as well.<br/>
<br/>
but yeah count me in for trying 50 MG for three days.</r>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="662" time="1507476371" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=662 time=1507476371 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="617" time="1507428545" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="616" time="1507428063" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=616 time=1507428063 user_id=57]</s>
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ok nice . So if all three of us , me you and jeep are all going to start with a 3 day cycle should at least one of us do something different nas far as adding a co factor or something for prolactin ?
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That would be interesting 5 alpha. I can try out the 3 day cycle at a low dose without taking anything else. SunJeep will start his cycle sometime next month I believe. When are you starting yours 5 alpha?
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I am shooting for next Monday October 16th unless I end up feeling like some more time is needed to rule out some variables that could confuse things. I stopped taking NADH yesterday to prepare. I am stopping herb rotation today. As of today all I am on is Vitamin D, C,K, calcium during the day and Magnisum and Glycin at night. <br/>
<br/>
All for the last few days stress/work has been extremely high with no time to go to the gym, not enough sleep. I feel fatigued, legs feel heavy with headache.<br/>
<br/>
I was exposed to a mystery white powder at work which was thought to be chemical or biological and later determined to be Fentanyl. I have been "feeling" like that has been making me feel like crap but I am thinking it's just placebo/fear that it was something worse from not getting straight answer about what it was and while feeling like shit just from being exhausted.<br/>
<br/>
lol i know it sounds stupid but I'm just working that out mentally before I start and I'll get my labs this week as well.<br/>
<br/>
but yeah count me in for trying 50 MG for three days.
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Good thing you are okay 5 alpha. I would have been frightened for a while. I have had some stress at work, anxiety, and restless sleep which is not fun. Good idea, drop the herbs that way your body can prepare for a clean trial next week. Your 3 day 50mg cycle sounds promising. I will get my hands on ru 486 hopefully this week and have also stoppee taking herbs. Right now I am pissing in a jug all day and will get some feedback on cortisol levels and a few other things. Stay strong 5 alpha.</r>

 

[BeLikeWater]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="gbolduev" post_id="549" time="1507400339" user_id="90"><s>

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@BeLikeWater <br/>
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Many people after finasteride lose potassium and low blood potassium does not allow insulin release. it is almost like steroids diabetes. Half people after finasteride have this situation and half have very high insulin.<br/>
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this happens because insulin puts potassium inside of the cell. Doctors use insulin during hyperkalemia to put potassium inside of the cell. During alkalosis from low potassium or potassium already high in the cell<br/>
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Insulin release is inhibited.<br/>
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Finasteride leaves many people with alklaosis with volume increase. that is why I recommended for those people magnesium potassium and copper , first , and then add manganese and zinc<br/>
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Progesterone is raised to retain potassium.
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Hello these are my test from 1 month ago:<br/>
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<B><s></s>Potassium: 5.1 (3.5-5-1) <e></e></B> HIGH<br/>
<B><s></s>Insulin: 3.6 (2.6-25) <e></e></B> LOW<br/>
<B><s></s>Glucose: 88 (78-100)<e></e></B> NORMAL<br/>
<B><s></s>Progesterone: 0.3 (0.2-1.4)<e></e></B> LOW<br/>
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In past test all was marking more or less the same, but <B><s></s>Insulin was below the range <e></e></B>, I wish we have more people to do the Insulin test. I was worried because I didnt understand why I had low insulin that could explain the low energy thing. But I did recent fasting I attribute the low insulin to the recent fast and I attributed this new near low insulin to not taking many carbs.<br/>
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My biochemical is not good, I have this question: Is my potassium high because it cant get enter in the cell? Is I raise somehow this action will mean I have less potassium in the blood and more insulin?<br/>
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Thank you</r>

 

[BeLikeWater]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="gbolduev" post_id="549" time="1507400339" user_id="90"><s>

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@BeLikeWater <br/>
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Many people after finasteride lose potassium and low blood potassium does not allow insulin release. it is almost like steroids diabetes. Half people after finasteride have this situation and half have very high insulin.<br/>
<br/>
this happens because insulin puts potassium inside of the cell. Doctors use insulin during hyperkalemia to put potassium inside of the cell. During alkalosis from low potassium or potassium already high in the cell<br/>
<br/>
Insulin release is inhibited.<br/>
<br/>
Finasteride leaves many people with alklaosis with volume increase. that is why I recommended for those people magnesium potassium and copper , first , and then add manganese and zinc<br/>
<br/>
Progesterone is raised to retain potassium.
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As you see in my previous post I have high blodd potassium. Where did you get the data that hald people have low insulin and half very high insulin after finasteride? You move in half/half again. <E></E></r>

 

[BeLikeWater]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="gbolduev" post_id="531" time="1507395297" user_id="90"><s>

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Belikewater<br/>
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This approach is what got people going circles for 15 years already. finasteride has nothing to do with 5ar. It inhibits it via feedback loop. same as all other progestins, like nandrolone , deca.<br/>
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If 5ar activity were low , then feeding DHT would resolve the issue, but it does not. <br/>
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People go on nandrolone and get rid of all symptoms. Since nandrolone acts as DHT and progesterone. When you get off, you have finasteride effects.<br/>
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going on DHT and progesterone together gets rid of all the symptoms. while you are on it. when you get off , it is like getting of propecia.<br/>
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Many people already tried it. Superdrol, nandrolone. any progestin will work<br/>
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Actually inhibiting 5ar is the way to go. You feel like crap and then snap back.
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So you are comparing giving exogenously just one metabolite of 5ar (in random quantities) with all the 5ar2 enzymes activityes around all body tissues and different metabolites ( 8 metabolites ). If you are comparing this 2 completly things and one equal thing<B><s></s> you have very big problems.<e></e></B><br/>
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5ar/2/3 activity around the body has nothing to do to administer one 1metabolite in ramdon quantities.... 5ar enzyemes are all around the body with very processes...</r>

 

[TubZy]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="gbolduev" post_id="531" time="1507395297" user_id="90"><s>

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<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
This approach is what got people going circles for 15 years already. finasteride has nothing to do with 5ar. It inhibits it via feedback loop. same as all other progestins, like nandrolone , deca.<br/>
<br/>
If 5ar activity were low , then feeding DHT would resolve the issue, but it does not. <br/>
<br/>
People go on nandrolone and get rid of all symptoms. Since nandrolone acts as DHT and progesterone. When you get off, you have finasteride effects.<br/>
<br/>
going on DHT and progesterone together gets rid of all the symptoms. while you are on it. when you get off , it is like getting of propecia.<br/>
<br/>
Many people already tried it. Superdrol, nandrolone. any progestin will work<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Actually inhibiting 5ar is the way to go. You feel like crap and then snap back.
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For clarification, I thought you said superdrol has anti progesterone properties rather than it being a progestin?</r>

 

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="664" time="1507476864" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="662" time="1507476371" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=662 time=1507476371 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="617" time="1507428545" user_id="52"><s>

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That would be interesting 5 alpha. I can try out the 3 day cycle at a low dose without taking anything else. SunJeep will start his cycle sometime next month I believe. When are you starting yours 5 alpha?
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I am shooting for next Monday October 16th unless I end up feeling like some more time is needed to rule out some variables that could confuse things. I stopped taking NADH yesterday to prepare. I am stopping herb rotation today. As of today all I am on is Vitamin D, C,K, calcium during the day and Magnisum and Glycin at night. <br/>
<br/>
All for the last few days stress/work has been extremely high with no time to go to the gym, not enough sleep. I feel fatigued, legs feel heavy with headache.<br/>
<br/>
I was exposed to a mystery white powder at work which was thought to be chemical or biological and later determined to be Fentanyl. I have been "feeling" like that has been making me feel like crap but I am thinking it's just placebo/fear that it was something worse from not getting straight answer about what it was and while feeling like shit just from being exhausted.<br/>
<br/>
lol i know it sounds stupid but I'm just working that out mentally before I start and I'll get my labs this week as well.<br/>
<br/>
but yeah count me in for trying 50 MG for three days.
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</e></QUOTE>
Good thing you are okay 5 alpha. I would have been frightened for a while. I have had some stress at work, anxiety, and restless sleep which is not fun. Good idea, drop the herbs that way your body can prepare for a clean trial next week. Your 3 day 50mg cycle sounds promising. I will get my hands on ru 486 hopefully this week and have also stoppee taking herbs. Right now I am pissing in a jug all day and will get some feedback on cortisol levels and a few other things. Stay strong 5 alpha.
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where are you getting your labs done?<br/>
are you doing blood and urine?<br/>
<br/>
I just dropped $487 on the following labs (blood):<br/>
<br/>
potassium <br/>
<br/>
cortisol<br/>
<br/>
Prolactin<br/>
<br/>
Estrogen total <br/>
<br/>
SHBG<br/>
<br/>
Progesterone <br/>
<br/>
Total Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
Free Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
If I can have my blood drawn on Tuesday I should have the results back by Friday. I figured the Prolactin and Cortisol are good ones to have results for pre and post RU usage while the Prog is good to look at before I start.<br/>
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The free and total T, Estrogen and SHBG more or less for fun</r>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="717" time="1507502530" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=717 time=1507502530 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="664" time="1507476864" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="662" time="1507476371" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=662 time=1507476371 user_id=57]</s>
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<br/>
I am shooting for next Monday October 16th unless I end up feeling like some more time is needed to rule out some variables that could confuse things. I stopped taking NADH yesterday to prepare. I am stopping herb rotation today. As of today all I am on is Vitamin D, C,K, calcium during the day and Magnisum and Glycin at night. <br/>
<br/>
All for the last few days stress/work has been extremely high with no time to go to the gym, not enough sleep. I feel fatigued, legs feel heavy with headache.<br/>
<br/>
I was exposed to a mystery white powder at work which was thought to be chemical or biological and later determined to be Fentanyl. I have been "feeling" like that has been making me feel like crap but I am thinking it's just placebo/fear that it was something worse from not getting straight answer about what it was and while feeling like shit just from being exhausted.<br/>
<br/>
lol i know it sounds stupid but I'm just working that out mentally before I start and I'll get my labs this week as well.<br/>
<br/>
but yeah count me in for trying 50 MG for three days.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>
Good thing you are okay 5 alpha. I would have been frightened for a while. I have had some stress at work, anxiety, and restless sleep which is not fun. Good idea, drop the herbs that way your body can prepare for a clean trial next week. Your 3 day 50mg cycle sounds promising. I will get my hands on ru 486 hopefully this week and have also stoppee taking herbs. Right now I am pissing in a jug all day and will get some feedback on cortisol levels and a few other things. Stay strong 5 alpha.
<e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE>

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where are you getting your labs done?<br/>
are you doing blood and urine?<br/>
<br/>
I just dropped $428 on the following labs (blood):<br/>
<br/>
potassium <br/>
<br/>
cortisol<br/>
<br/>
Estrogen total <br/>
<br/>
SHBG<br/>
<br/>
Progesterone <br/>
<br/>
Total Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
Free Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
If I can have my blood drawn on Tuesday I should have the results back by Friday.
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I have mine since 2 weeks ago but will get the ru 486 this week. I had my blood labs done at the hospital and will create a log to organize everything before starting up as well. 5 alpha, the tests will be worth it. Healing up is priceless so kudos to you for getting it done.</r>

 

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="718" time="1507503444" user_id="52"><s>

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<QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="717" time="1507502530" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=717 time=1507502530 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="664" time="1507476864" user_id="52"><s>

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Good thing you are okay 5 alpha. I would have been frightened for a while. I have had some stress at work, anxiety, and restless sleep which is not fun. Good idea, drop the herbs that way your body can prepare for a clean trial next week. Your 3 day 50mg cycle sounds promising. I will get my hands on ru 486 hopefully this week and have also stoppee taking herbs. Right now I am pissing in a jug all day and will get some feedback on cortisol levels and a few other things. Stay strong 5 alpha.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

<br/>
where are you getting your labs done?<br/>
are you doing blood and urine?<br/>
<br/>
I just dropped $428 on the following labs (blood):<br/>
<br/>
potassium <br/>
<br/>
cortisol<br/>
<br/>
Estrogen total <br/>
<br/>
SHBG<br/>
<br/>
Progesterone <br/>
<br/>
Total Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
Free Testosterone <br/>
<br/>
If I can have my blood drawn on Tuesday I should have the results back by Friday.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>
I have mine since 2 weeks ago but will get the ru 486 this week. I had my blood labs done at the hospital and will create a log to organize everything before starting up as well. 5 alpha, the tests will be worth it. Healing up is priceless so kudos to you for getting it done.
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sounds good man. I ended up going back and adding prolactin seeing that it's been mentioned as something that may be getting altered after a RU cycle. It will be nice having before and after labs for us so we can rule in or rule out some of the things that Tubz,Jkool and Ihatefin and scenes are wondering about with the Prolactin and Cortisol</r>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<t>Yes, this will be helpful and great data to keep. I will post my labs shortly so you can check them out. Try to relax as much as possible 5 alpha that way the cycle runs more smoothly. I am going to do the same.</t>

 

[5 alpha]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="720" time="1507504029" user_id="52"><s>

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Yes, this will be helpful and great data to keep. I will post my labs shortly so you can check them out. Try to relax as much as possible 5 alpha that way the cycle runs more smoothly. I am going to do the same.
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sounds good man. we got this</r>

 

[aztec]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<r><QUOTE author="5 alpha" post_id="721" time="1507504394" user_id="57"><s>[quote="5 alpha" post_id=721 time=1507504394 user_id=57]</s>
<QUOTE author="aztec" post_id="720" time="1507504029" user_id="52"><s>

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Yes, this will be helpful and great data to keep. I will post my labs shortly so you can check them out. Try to relax as much as possible 5 alpha that way the cycle runs more smoothly. I am going to do the same.
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sounds good man. we got this
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Hell yeah man! Let’s tackle this hard 5 alpha.</r>

 

[AC3C]

Re: Gbold's Theory

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<QUOTE author="AC3C" post_id="66" time="1507136467" user_id="78"><s>

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If someone feels worse when taking progesterone (ie loss of libido) is that a clue as to whether they have agonized or antagonized receptors?
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my understanding is yes it would be a clue as to if they have agonized or antagonized receptors. The logic is that Finastride (a progesterone) severely agonized the receptors causing them to become severely down regulated in most cases. So I guess it's logical to assume that exposing the down regulated receptors with more prog would make you worse.<br/>
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However the theory than goes on to explain that Finastride (a prog) does not always agonize the receptors and could actually in some people antagonize the receptors causing them to become upregulated.<br/>
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but to answer the question according to this theory taking prog and getting worse would point towards agonized/down regulated receptors.
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Thanks 5alpha. This is the first time I'm hearing this. Increasing progesterone would then have a positive influence on cortisol thus increasing energy, perhaps improving blood sugar levels, sleep and supporting the thyroid hormones thus increasing body temps and fighting against candida yeast, better absorption of nutrients etc...</r>

 

[P_stashio]

Re: Gbold's Theory

<t>Yah how do you figure out if your receptors are agonized or antagonized?<br/>
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Cheers</t>