Bulletproof Gut Protocol - Questions, Comments, Experiences

TubZy

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I agree the balance of different strains is very hard to achieve. since for some person it would be good and for some very bad.

also don't forget that rats hair could be like our body hair.


SIBO in the gut, is basically leaky gut. SIBO can be organized by all species .

1) too much lacto= sibo from lactic acid producing bacteria= boom you get leaky gut, and inflammation and autoimmune disease, like POIS

this is why people like this for instance lose all their hair, even with strains which you mentioned. Garden of Life, RAW Probiotics, Ultimate Care, 30 Veggie Caps

since indigested protein goes into blood with water from small intestine. Only acidic intestine does that and small intestine should be alkaline and with very little bacteria.or any other species.

2) too much fungus, like malassezia which is found in POIS people in crazy amounts. and boom that thing eats fats and produces acid, which normally causes acne.
just imagine what it does to the intestine, if it causes acne on the surface of the skin. Just imagine what kind of NASH that thing can cause. also it kills other species.

3) viral infection , kills glutathione and kills all other species.


I wonder if so called genetics which you inherit from your mom. is just the bacteria which you get from her. and then you have similar diseases.

lets say your mom has staph infection. boom you get it and then you are autistic. since none of your other flora grows properly when you are a baby. there is always some flora imbalance, causing some oxidation problems..



this is why the balancing of the flora and the need for the flora is so tricky. and even questionable still. Since in my opinion flora is supportive, means supports some of the lacks of your metabolism.

But we dont know what your metabolism needs for instance.


This is why some people take probiotics with 30 and more strains and think they are doing good and lose all their hair to bald. I saw several cases like this, since we have been trying this SIBO flora stuff for so many years, since 2009. and I observed so many people attempt at this, with POIS .


some got better, some even cured, and some totally worse and bald.


this is why it always led me to think that may be. the proper way to deal with this, would be


go on 1) antiviral 2) antibio 3) antifungal and then slowly come off.

this way you get sterile gut from all species, and you are like a new born baby, but without the moms bugs.


since any of 3 things, will always fuck up the others. so people take antibio, grow fungus, fucked. take antifungal grow bacteria , fucked. take probiotics, kills e coli, and fungus, fucked.


So I attempted this for couple of people before, and those people re cured from POIS and this was my main idea of curing lymphoma and cancer also

You go on all 3. then you let your body rebalance itself like it has no infections. it will take months.

and then you slowly come off of all 3. and then the flora and virus and funguses will repopulate according to your environment and your actual DNA, and not according to your moms bugs.

so you bettter stay away from people for that time. for 3-4 weeks. live in nature.


Also i am afraid but you will need to chelate with this procedure also, since if your flora was causing oxidative stress etc. and all improper biochemistry, you are toxic in stuff big time. like autistic children.

and even if you go on all 3 for a while. the body will not be able to get rid of metals this fast may be.


Of course the main question is do you even need the flora. and will it hurt you if you stay an antibiotics antifungals anti virals for a while.

May be a human being can live without this synergism at all. and have even more energy.

since these days, anywhere you go , boom you get a virus or an infection, and boom your flora starts growing wrong, and then you re worsening over time.

may be this is what aging is. Worsening flora. so from supportive flora it turns into desctructive flora.

same stuff people get from sex. We have a russian forum, where it is forum for people who got mostly sick from random sex encounters.

like a person has sex and then boom sick and CFS for 10 years.

I mean your wife your girlfriend, all of them have different flora. and viruses. some have shingles some herpes.

I remember when I had PFS and my wife had cancer, she had crazy viruses and every time I would have sex with her, I would feel terrible for days after which did not happen without penetration.

So the question is how to protect yourself from that. since one encounter and boom you are getting worse.

How would you know your natural microbiome? I assume the only way to know is it you were tested as a baby or young kid prior to any antibiotics?

I am taking the probiotic you linked except the one that is 4x stronger and haven't noticed hair loss but I will keep an eye out. It seems like the benefits for hair and skin are simply from down regulating inflammatory cytokines.
 

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Prebiotics - Galacto-Oligosaccharides

I investigated GOS, and they seem to be the prebiotic that give the less discmfort! But the drawback is that I read that none is free from yeast, well exactly from beta glucans, and as I read it can affect people who do not stand yeast.... I don't know why...

I also wonder what is GOS made of, and if we can get some from FOOD.

This one seems to come from soy, as they list it as an allergen. But i thought that GOS was from dairies!!!! Galacto... So what?
@Ocguy you also said this was your favorite, so I guess because less gut reactions? Do you know a bit about the questions I asked?
 

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How would you know your natural microbiome? I assume the only way to know is it you were tested as a baby or young kid prior to any antibiotics?

I am taking the probiotic you linked except the one that is 4x stronger and haven't noticed hair loss but I will keep an eye out. It seems like the benefits for hair and skin are simply from down regulating inflammatory cytokines.


remember I just recently posted a study, how they looked at gut microbiome and that for instance e-coli was really high in the summer and really really low in the winter.

this shows that flora is supportive. e coli supports vitamin K2 production. so I guess in the summer you get more vitamin D and e coli grows to help you make more vitamin K2.

and in the winter the opposite.

natural microbiome , I meant natural for you. So lets say you are baby, and your flora should adjust to your mineral balance when you were born, but boom, you get some bs pathogen from your mom and now your flora is stuck in some state which never benefits you, and now not flora buffering your metabolism, but your metabolism is buffering flora.


I think the problems start when some crap grows in the gut and lets say it increases e coli in the winter, or decreases in the summer. making your natural movements of microbiome impaired.


here is the study. look https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/13433/PDF

Flora is never stable. it is always moving. trying to help you . it is like a buffer system.

I think a human can live without it. since human is capable to produce everything himself. without the help from flora.

But the diseases can happen, if something grows in there, which impairs the flora movement, and now the flora is not supportive but distructive.


So high dosages of probiotics could lets say kill some fungus, or some other pathogenic bacteria.

but since flora is constantly moving based on your bodychemistry, like slow oxidizers = high e coli. fast low e coli

it is hard to pin point what the hell is missing.


the goal of this current protocol is I think to get rid of some pathogen, and get rid of SIBO.

SI|BO is what any flora lives in your small intestine.

If this resistant starch can wash it out, then it can get rid of it.

plus as we tested malassezia restricta is very high in POIS people.

So probiotic is bacteria, so they can eat that malassezia thing, I would assume.

If they cause trouble themselves in the small intestine, I don't know

Personally when I had POIS I could not tolerate lacto bacterias. or bifido mix. one week of those and my POIS would be like 10 times.

Interestingly enough, none of that would happen, if I stuck the same bacterias thru the enema.

So this tells you that there was SIBO in small intestine.

And I guess until malassezia dies, may be you feel worse, as long as lacto bacterias leave the small intestine afterwards. but if you substitute malassezia for lacto.

that would suck also. Unless malassezia's survival rate is high, and lacto dies faster in the small intestine,
then you feed probiotics, feel like shit. if you have sibo. and may be then all these bacterias die in small intestine faster and slowly they kill the malassezia also.

Who knows , it is nice to try . I hope it works for you.

We do see oxidative stress from SIBO as I posted recently how the body is trying to make phospholipids.
 
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@Boris also as you know @Nina is very similar to you. And both of you had viral activation in PFS. and then chronic fatique.

Virus itself activates phospholipase A2. and this then increases free choline in your blood. thus both of you are intolerant to choline.

As phospholipase is activated, PEMT goes up and that totally gets rid of your Sam-E and boom chronic fatique. since there is no adrenaline, carnitine, creatine, melatonin, and lysine and arginine are used for ammonia instead of receptors.

here are 2 good reads for you both.
Choline on the Brain? A Guide to Choline in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome — Phoenix Rising

Valacyclovir in the treatment of post viral fatigue syndrome - DoctorMyhill


So if probiotics don't restore everything, may be you can try this route.


there is a possibility that gut got screwed and that increased oxidative stress, and then glutathione goes down, and viral infection attacks.

So hopefully killing SIBO lowers oxidative stress, then glutathione rises and EBV is better.

That is why I was considering that experiment with antiviral anti fungal and antibio.

But lets hope that fixing sibo fixes all others.
 
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@Ocguy I am looking at different kind of probiotic powders as those you listed can't be ordered from where I live. Will any priobiotica powder do or does it need to contain specific ones? Thanks!
 

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remember I just recently posted a study, how they looked at gut microbiome and that for instance e-coli was really high in the summer and really really low in the winter.

this shows that flora is supportive. e coli supports vitamin K2 production. so I guess in the summer you get more vitamin D and e coli grows to help you make more vitamin K2.

and in the winter the opposite.

natural microbiome , I meant natural for you. So lets say you are baby, and your flora should adjust to your mineral balance when you were born, but boom, you get some bs pathogen from your mom and now your flora is stuck in some state which never benefits you, and now not flora buffering your metabolism, but your metabolism is buffering flora.


I think the problems start when some crap grows in the gut and lets say it increases e coli in the winter, or decreases in the summer. making your natural movements of microbiome impaired.


here is the study. look https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/13433/PDF

Flora is never stable. it is always moving. trying to help you . it is like a buffer system.

I think a human can live without it. since human is capable to produce everything himself. without the help from flora.

But the diseases can happen, if something grows in there, which impairs the flora movement, and now the flora is not supportive but distructive.


So high dosages of probiotics could lets say kill some fungus, or some other pathogenic bacteria.

but since flora is constantly moving based on your bodychemistry, like slow oxidizers = high e coli. fast low e coli

it is hard to pin point what the hell is missing.


the goal of this current protocol is I think to get rid of some pathogen, and get rid of SIBO.

SI|BO is what any flora lives in your small intestine.

If this resistant starch can wash it out, then it can get rid of it.

plus as we tested malassezia restricta is very high in POIS people.

So probiotic is bacteria, so they can eat that malassezia thing, I would assume.

If they cause trouble themselves in the small intestine, I don't know

Personally when I had POIS I could not tolerate lacto bacterias. or bifido mix. one week of those and my POIS would be like 10 times.

Interestingly enough, none of that would happen, if I stuck the same bacterias thru the enema.

So this tells you that there was SIBO in small intestine.

And I guess until malassezia dies, may be you feel worse, as long as lacto bacterias leave the small intestine afterwards. but if you substitute malassezia for lacto.

that would suck also. Unless malassezia's survival rate is high, and lacto dies faster in the small intestine,
then you feed probiotics, feel like shit. if you have sibo. and may be then all these bacterias die in small intestine faster and slowly they kill the malassezia also.

Who knows , it is nice to try . I hope it works for you.

We do see oxidative stress from SIBO as I posted recently how the body is trying to make phospholipids.

From reading this I’m assuming the probiotics may have also made me feel bad instead of it being the green powder or perhaps TEI. Perhaps I should just do resistant starch instead when I try this again. I’m sure I’ve got some sort of SIBO or something unless fasting can kill it.
 

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@Admiral Yo dude you still on RAndro and Trib? If not what happened

Quit R-Andro after a week orso. Made me lethargic and extremely depressed. Might take it later again on a cleaner try as I also took K2, wormwood and SAM-e. Actually just took Mediherb Trib for the first time today. Will add gut protocol shortly (along with liver supporters TUDCA, glycine and taurine).
 

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@Boris also as you know @Nina is very similar to you. And both of you had viral activation in PFS. and then chronic fatique.

Virus itself activates phospholipase A2. and this then increases free choline in your blood. thus both of you are intolerant to choline.

As phospholipase is activated, PEMT goes up and that totally gets rid of your Sam-E and boom chronic fatique. since there is no adrenaline, carnitine, creatine, melatonin, and lysine and arginine are used for ammonia instead of receptors.

here are 2 good reads for you both.
Choline on the Brain? A Guide to Choline in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome — Phoenix Rising

Valacyclovir in the treatment of post viral fatigue syndrome - DoctorMyhill


So if probiotics don't restore everything, may be you can try this route.


there is a possibility that gut got screwed and that increased oxidative stress, and then glutathione goes down, and viral infection attacks.

So hopefully killing SIBO lowers oxidative stress, then glutathione rises and EBV is better.

That is why I was considering that experiment with antiviral anti fungal and antibio.

But lets hope that fixing sibo fixes all others.

I forgot, bacterial immune system works in acidic conditions, viral immune system works in alkaline conditions. Or is it the other way around?
 

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From reading this I’m assuming the probiotics may have also made me feel bad instead of it being the green powder or perhaps TEI. Perhaps I should just do resistant starch instead when I try this again. I’m sure I’ve got some sort of SIBO or something unless fasting can kill it.

I've run out of probiotics and just did the starch for a bit, that's fine too. Most people benefit from a multi strain probiotics but by all means tinker with it. As helen
posted a major component to this is scraping the small bowel, and the starches will do this just the same along with providing adequate feeding of the colon
 

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@Ocguy I am looking at different kind of probiotic powders as those you listed can't be ordered from where I live. Will any priobiotica powder do or does it need to contain specific ones? Thanks!

Yea, just a good multi strain is fine.. I actually prefer to buy instore vs shipped I just linked to the ones I find in my stores
 

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Prebiotics - Galacto-Oligosaccharides

I investigated GOS, and they seem to be the prebiotic that give the less discmfort! But the drawback is that I read that none is free from yeast, well exactly from beta glucans, and as I read it can affect people who do not stand yeast.... I don't know why...

I also wonder what is GOS made of, and if we can get some from FOOD.

This one seems to come from soy, as they list it as an allergen. But i thought that GOS was from dairies!!!! Galacto... So what?
@Ocguy you also said this was your favorite, so I guess because less gut reactions? Do you know a bit about the questions I asked?

Yea, I like Bimuno Gos.. it's from diary, I can't really comment on the good vs bad compared to fos, but when I run out I'm going to do the fos since I already have some.. many use fos and do great with it. My bowel movements look better on gos, but I've never really stayed on fos for any long period of time
 

TubZy

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remember I just recently posted a study, how they looked at gut microbiome and that for instance e-coli was really high in the summer and really really low in the winter.

this shows that flora is supportive. e coli supports vitamin K2 production. so I guess in the summer you get more vitamin D and e coli grows to help you make more vitamin K2.

and in the winter the opposite.

natural microbiome , I meant natural for you. So lets say you are baby, and your flora should adjust to your mineral balance when you were born, but boom, you get some bs pathogen from your mom and now your flora is stuck in some state which never benefits you, and now not flora buffering your metabolism, but your metabolism is buffering flora.


I think the problems start when some crap grows in the gut and lets say it increases e coli in the winter, or decreases in the summer. making your natural movements of microbiome impaired.


here is the study. look https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/13433/PDF

Flora is never stable. it is always moving. trying to help you . it is like a buffer system.

I think a human can live without it. since human is capable to produce everything himself. without the help from flora.

But the diseases can happen, if something grows in there, which impairs the flora movement, and now the flora is not supportive but distructive.


So high dosages of probiotics could lets say kill some fungus, or some other pathogenic bacteria.

but since flora is constantly moving based on your bodychemistry, like slow oxidizers = high e coli. fast low e coli

it is hard to pin point what the hell is missing.


the goal of this current protocol is I think to get rid of some pathogen, and get rid of SIBO.

SI|BO is what any flora lives in your small intestine.

If this resistant starch can wash it out, then it can get rid of it.

plus as we tested malassezia restricta is very high in POIS people.

So probiotic is bacteria, so they can eat that malassezia thing, I would assume.

If they cause trouble themselves in the small intestine, I don't know

Personally when I had POIS I could not tolerate lacto bacterias. or bifido mix. one week of those and my POIS would be like 10 times.

Interestingly enough, none of that would happen, if I stuck the same bacterias thru the enema.

So this tells you that there was SIBO in small intestine.

And I guess until malassezia dies, may be you feel worse, as long as lacto bacterias leave the small intestine afterwards. but if you substitute malassezia for lacto.

that would suck also. Unless malassezia's survival rate is high, and lacto dies faster in the small intestine,
then you feed probiotics, feel like shit. if you have sibo. and may be then all these bacterias die in small intestine faster and slowly they kill the malassezia also.

Who knows , it is nice to try . I hope it works for you.

We do see oxidative stress from SIBO as I posted recently how the body is trying to make phospholipids.

It would be interesting to see if there is a difference from simply just doing probiotics and probiotics + resistant starch together. Regarding feeling bad on probiotics how do you know that this isn't just from killing stuff that makes you feel bad?

I think the best way to go is to use the resistant starch plus a probiotic so you flush that stuff out with it and maintain a much better balance.

Also, can't antibiotics alter your biome which in turn would alter your mineral balance? So understanding your own natural biome seems very hard if not impossible to really know.
 
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Im a week in to this protocol. After a few days my stools were perfectly formed and my digestive system feels very robust. Im feeling very agitated and easily angered though. Yesterday just the slightest things and noises were annoying me. Has anyone else experienced this? Some kind of die off reaction maybe? Also my energy levels have dropped quite a bit. I am feeling extremely sluggish in the morning where as normally i have no problem getting straight out of bed. Hopefully this is all a good sign that things are being fixed and good bacteria being propagated again.
 

Admiral

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There's a lot of stuff in the Amazing Grass Green superfood. I think some feel worse because of a few of those ingredients.