Chapman PFS Log

Chapman

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Hello Lads,

I've been lurking around here now for a couple of months, commenting on a few threads and messaging a couple of people, Tubzy & MNK. Prior to that I lurked on Swole Source/Propeciahelp just trying to get a handle on this condition and understand what the fuck was going on.

I crashed in February 2017 after a second short bout of Finasteride, about 1 month. Previously I'd used Finasteride since I was 19 with few problems, got permanent tinnitus within 1 year of starting but put that down to too much loud music in clubs lol, I still have it now. I started to notice a few minor symptoms when I was 26 so came off it ( sort of tapered off), I didn't crash and didn't lose any hair, still haven't lost much to this day, also I didn't know about PFS at the time. Had a few problems during the next couple of years with increased anxiety/poor sleep/pain in head but put this down to the birth of my daughter (sleep deprivation/stress etc), no where near as bad as now. In January '17 time decided to go back on Finasteride as had noticed my hairline was starting to recede and I was losing more in the shower, plus found out it had now come off patent so was much cheaper... how fucking lucky - if it was still the original price about £90+ for 3 months worth I probably wouldn't of bought it! And here we are haha ...

I've always been active and have lifted regularly since my teens although have become more sedentary in recent years since becoming a dad. I'm 5 foot 6 and weigh about 144 pounds body fat is roughly 14-16%, used to be leaner but have put on about 7 pounds since the crash.

Symptoms

I'll list them off but know it's roughly the same for all of us:

Social anxiety, extremely reduced libido and weaker erections, I can still have sex fine but not prefin levels, chronic headache in frontal lobe area, definitely stress related as it gets worse, poor sleep quality wake everyday feeling like I'm hungover, poor short term memory and spatial awareness, poor digestion and poor stool quality, reflux I had helicobacter pylori (h. pylori) infection last year and had antibiotic eradication therapy for it, cleared the infection but I still have reflux/indigestion issues.

My sexual sides are bad but it's more the neurological/digestive issues that are the problem.

I'm on my 4th day of an Ella trial at the moment haven't felt much maybe slightly reduced anxiety. I've dabbled with the electrolytes a bit, I've found the Betaine may of made the reflux worse, I haven't taken any enzymes, but that's it so far.

Should I be looking for a snap back with Ella? Has anyone had any success with the Clomid protocol?

Any help or advice you guys could give would be great.
@TubZy @joekool @IHateFin @bruschi11

Update 28/06 Bloods added:

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wuf

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@Goose12 would you jump on the herbs after, I have some from cd's protocol?
Why not following CHI's regime and/or Health protocol?
I am still astonished about how different people recovered by taking super care of their gut.
I am still super afraid of using hormones or any kind of medication since I got hit and creashed by using just 4 days a prohormone.. so if your sex life is still on, I wouldn't go for anything heavy risking to crash it.. so I would be soft and kind.
 

Chapman

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Well I don't blame you if it crashed you again.
To be fair I can get it up when the time comes but I don't have random boners like I did pre fin but I was 19 then. It hard for me to sometimes notice symptoms as I was on the stuff constantly for 8 years, I never got morning wood/random wood much during that time.
 
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bruschi11

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Myself, @Goose12 , and @Jack17 are experimenting with progesterone and RU quite successfully. You may want to look at my log on my opinions on this.

Also, ARL/TEI mineral balance along with some of the betaine HCL/amino acid protocols have helped me along with several guys and have produced a couple recoveries thus far.

I'd also really go all in on health man. Make it your life. Beginning of electrolytes protocol the very first post is something you should really obey. Its very easy living this way thus far for me. It seems scary to go all in like this after reading how long the post I guess, but it really gets easy and fun as you watch your health take steps forward.

Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health - This is link to that first post.

You mention this is more physical effects and not asss much sexual. So I think you can get better rather quickly if you take the steps above- especially mineral balance/protocol for improved health.
 

Goose12

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@Goose12 would you jump on the herbs after, I have some from cd's protocol?

I have ran clean cycles of ru and cycles were I jumped on herb cycling right after. It didn't seem like it hurt anything if anything it helps with the snap back. Prog can also be added to ru for some more benifits.

I agree with @bruschi11 , you need a good foundation. You need to have a clean diet and the electrolyte protocol is a good protocol to add in that will get your gut in shape aND help you absorbs nutrients and minerals.

Getting a hair minerals analysis is also a good place to start to see what kind of imbalances you have and try and correct them.

The better your foundation with diet, detox, and balancing them the better you will respond them her herbs and ru.
 

MNK99

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Good for you man. It's easier than it seems. I didn't go too long, but made 19-20 days. It's far better than feeling terrible forever in my case.
 

bruschi11

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Thanks @Goose12 @bruschi11 @Jack17 for the advice and anyone else ive missed lol. Ive made a plan im gonna start a water fast from monday and try and do at least 3 days, ideally I want 10 - 14 as it seemed to work well for lot people here. Ill then start the ru/prog stuff. I absolutely dreading the water fast already lol.

Don't rush it- but sure if you need to get it done now because you have stuff coming up this Spring/Summer then go for it. Make sure you follow refeeding instructions.... There is some great info on this site in several places that gives good insight on how you should be refeeding post water fast.
 

MNK99

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Thx mate. I play it down bc the shorter ones preceding it were broken incorrectly. It could have been 30 days, if I didn't trip out before. It's all good tho.
I may do it again in the future but not for some time.

Edit: Meant to say (though it's implied) refeed properly for sure. Mattyb's protocol, egg-lemon soup, veggie broth before any real foods, little carbs, stuff like that. Not much fat either initially. Slowly work on digestion and rebuilding those digestive enzymes and reintroduce towards a progressively normalized diet.
 
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bruschi11

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LOL I'm just so glad I'm doing my next fast in the summer (June). Where are you located @Chapman you may want to wear some under armour cold gear stuff under your clothes. My body got so cold during that fast.
 

MNK99

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It's a joke. I was doing 200 pushups (in sets not straight) ("7 weeks to 100 pushups"... I thought it would help stamina/rehab) a few xmases ago on the deck outside, in a tshirt and trackpants. That would likely kill me right now though... so that kind of sucks but whatever.

Gangsters don't wear shorts.
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It's just not a good look. He's a suit and tie mofo. Or bowling shirts like Charlie Sheen. I need money so I can buy some Armani track pants.
He wore shorts once in a cookout, but he was chastised for it - by the boss of New York.

Boston, NJ, and NY, and (Delhi!) have inhumane levels of humidity though. I can't live like that. Summer in Toronto's pretty bad too. I just like the wind flowing thru my hair, if it was constantly 5 to minus 17 or so, I'd be fine (no windchill). With grey skies or red skies above me that would be even cooler.

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