Critical view of cdsnuts!

[Jacknovell]

I've read a lot here about cdsnuts and a lot of people who follow him. I don't wanna be too negative in this thread, it's just that I've also seen very bad things about him in other forums.
I personally tried his protocol for 11 months and I've never seen changes. But I've lost a lot of money and energy.
People here are so depressed that it's easy to catch them for such a (expensive) protocol.

Here is just a quote of the propecialhelp-forum:

-CDSNUTS mostly posts links to websites designed as informercials, which sell some sort of health-related product

-CDSNUTS most posted websites have programs of Affiliate Marketing (more on
this below)

-CDSNUTS is an Affiliate of Lostempireherbs

-CDSNUTS has been posting about his Affiliate's products since he first joined the PFS community in 2008.

-CDSNUTS agressively markets his affiliates products.

-CDSNUTS affiliates also use themselves AGGRESSIVE SELLING techniques to push their products for sale

-CDSNUTS never posts anything of sound scientific, evidence based content

-CDSNUTS links to websites of poorly researched content, they dont even rank high in Google Search. The content of these websites is clearly directed at selling irresponsibly their items, while bashing out on proven medical treatments for easy to solve conditions such as hypogonadism, and very serious conditions such as cancer!
This is the hallmark of any health scam and CDSNUTS actively supports them!!

-CDSNUTS in 2010 claimed to never having tested Testosterone even though he claimed to have PFS. A testosterone exam is usually the first thing a doctor orders
CDSNUTS is/was very likely hypogonadal, even before finasteride, and has been on HRT the whole time he claimed to be recovering naturally from PFS with the products he advertises (please see the last post).for his low testosterone levels (which he did check)

There is a whole critical thread about him in propeciahelp:

Is cdnuts a fraud? : General

I'm not saying that all he says is wrong and false, I just want to tell you that maybe we should stay critical about him.

I hope this thread will not be deleted.

 

[Canari]

Of course...

Let's be clear : when people are very low about their autonomic nervous system, nothing will help and work well before they address these issues at the same time.

Affiliate systems have become the common way to not ask to be paid for giving resources, time and help! Why reproach it? Well it is ok to just keep it clear and to find ways to decide for yourself what to do.

I have been giving time and infos about the autonomic nervous system a lot and for real free, but the result is that some people do not believe it because they find easier to buy supps....

And then also because I give the track you can follow because it is really universal, but it does not mean you DO it, so people think it does not work. It is personal though inside something that I know to be universal.

Though cdnuts does not imo know enough about the nervous system, he still says his advised supps are not enough without the rest. The problem is only that he advises meditation and such.... and I can guaranty you that this will work for few people, not the majority, and that it can even make some people worse!

 

[Helen]

I've read a lot here about cdsnuts and a lot of people who follow him. I don't wanna be too negative in this thread, it's just that I've also seen very bad things about him in other forums.
I personally tried his protocol for 11 months and I've never seen changes. But I've lost a lot of money and energy.
People here are so depressed that it's easy to catch them for such a (expensive) protocol.

Here is just a quote of the propecialhelp-forum:

-CDSNUTS mostly posts links to websites designed as informercials, which sell some sort of health-related product

-CDSNUTS most posted websites have programs of Affiliate Marketing (more on
this below)

-CDSNUTS is an Affiliate of Lostempireherbs

-CDSNUTS has been posting about his Affiliate's products since he first joined the PFS community in 2008.

-CDSNUTS agressively markets his affiliates products.

-CDSNUTS affiliates also use themselves AGGRESSIVE SELLING techniques to push their products for sale

-CDSNUTS never posts anything of sound scientific, evidence based content

-CDSNUTS links to websites of poorly researched content, they dont even rank high in Google Search. The content of these websites is clearly directed at selling irresponsibly their items, while bashing out on proven medical treatments for easy to solve conditions such as hypogonadism, and very serious conditions such as cancer!
This is the hallmark of any health scam and CDSNUTS actively supports them!!

-CDSNUTS in 2010 claimed to never having tested Testosterone even though he claimed to have PFS. A testosterone exam is usually the first thing a doctor orders
CDSNUTS is/was very likely hypogonadal, even before finasteride, and has been on HRT the whole time he claimed to be recovering naturally from PFS with the products he advertises (please see the last post).for his low testosterone levels (which he did check)

There is a whole critical thread about him in propeciahelp:

Is cdnuts a fraud? : General

I'm not saying that all he says is wrong and false, I just want to tell you that maybe we should stay critical about him.

I hope this thread will not be deleted.

Please try to stay positive. This forum welcomes all ideas and protocols. This forum does not tolerate pissing matches between members. Many people felt better on CDnuts protocol. Some did not. It is all trial and error. If you think you have a condition which can not be fixed, then why are you here/ And why are you trying to collect money. You just contradict yourself. Be positive and you will be cured.

in bible they say that if you want something, just imagine you have it believe in it and you will get it.( and I don't believe in God, I believe in common sense) If you believe that you are incurably sick, then you will stay sick, since you believe in it.

CDnuts has good energy as far as I am concerned. I did not see anything negative from him. He might not know studies and interconnections of minerals, or medicine, but he seems like a good guy. Rotating herbs is not a bad idea, basically giving you all RDA levels of minerals, and most herbs have very strong chelating properties. Yes it is not a pin point approach. But without tests it might be a good approach for some people. And the most important thing is that when people do this protocol they believe it will help them and they start fighting back. they start exercising they start doing meditation .etc. as oppose to sitting home feeling sorry for themselves being hypodynamic.

Please rethink your attitude, I understand you are hurting and you dont feel good. but trust me spreading negativity will definitely not cure you.

 

[Snow1]

Well said, I’ve been doing CdNuts protocal for a few months now and I’ve noticed improvements - still a long way to go tho.

Don’t mock it till you have tried it I say..

 

[bruschi11]

Cdsnuts tries to simplify his protocol so guys don’t shy away from it, but read his story the whole thing on PH.

The dude fasted for 21 days followed by raw food diet for like 6 months. 4 fasts overall or something including a 45 day juice feast.

While the end of his protocol consisting of herbs, paleo diet, exercise is true, you gotta realize what the guy did at his lowest lows to pull himself out of the hole he was in.

If you’re just running herbs and diet/exercise and you’re in really bad shape I don’t know how far that’s gonna take u. It sucks the situations we are in but fasting may be necessary for a chunk of us here.

 

[Niles]

Ive already done a 14-days water fasting
. After that I started his protocol for 11 months. A complete lifestyle change. My mood has become better. My PSSD not.

How could you have done water fasting before starting the protocol for 11mo when in January you said you'd never fasted in your own log?

And didn't you say in your log that you're PFS? But here you say PSSD?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

I meant PFS. I've done more than one water fasting. But I don't wanna get too negative here. It's just that sometimes it's hard to see things rational when everything you do does not improve the situation. I feel the same when people here gets desperate.

 

[Jacknovell]

Please try to stay positive. This forum welcomes all ideas and protocols. This forum does not tolerate pissing matches between members. Many people felt better on CDnuts protocol. Some did not. It is all trial and error. If you think you have a condition which can not be fixed, then why are you here/ And why are you trying to collect money. You just contradict yourself. Be positive and you will be cured.

in bible they say that if you want something, just imagine you have it believe in it and you will get it.( and I don't believe in God, I believe in common sense) If you believe that you are incurably sick, then you will stay sick, since you believe in it.

CDnuts has good energy as far as I am concerned. I did not see anything negative from him. He might not know studies and interconnections of minerals, or medicine, but he seems like a good guy. Rotating herbs is not a bad idea, basically giving you all RDA levels of minerals, and most herbs have very strong chelating properties. Yes it is not a pin point approach. But without tests it might be a good approach for some people. And the most important thing is that when people do this protocol they believe it will help them and they start fighting back. they start exercising they start doing meditation .etc. as oppose to sitting home feeling sorry for themselves being hypodynamic.

Please rethink your attitude, I understand you are hurting and you dont feel good. but trust me spreading negativity will definitely not cure you.

Has anyone ever full recovered by his protocol?
Of maybe in general?

 

[bruschi11]

Plenty have. But it’s just a protocol, you gotta find out what your issues are to know what you really should be attacking.

What are your symptoms? Have you had hair mineral analysis done?

 

[TubZy]

Has anyone ever full recovered by his protocol?
Of maybe in general?

He has a recovery section, people have recovered before from it.

To address your original post, the guy who wrote that post on solve PFS is anti anything "experimental" or "supplemental". He wants everyone to sign up for a monthly donation program towards the foundation. He demonizes anything that doesn't involve giving money to the foundation and attacks people who try stuff on their own (including people at this forum too), so please put that in perspective (you can view his other posts and see for yourself). This issue about @Cdsnuts was addressed before though on Swole Source as well. So I wont speak for him fully.

At the end of the day, it is a choice though no one is forcing you to do anything, you can try whatever protocol you want, if it works for you great, if not move on try something else. Getting into the drama and being in a negative light is just a waste of time and stupid nonetheless.

 

[Chapman]

@Jacknovell you really should have a look at that recovery section on swolesource, its a good uplifting read!

 

[Shadow]

At the end of the day, it is a choice though no one is forcing you to do anything, you can try whatever protocol you want, if it works for you great, if not move on try something else. Getting into the drama and being in a negative light is just a waste of time and stupid nonetheless.

+1

Adding to what @TubZy said, I understand that our problem is cruel! And it leads to this kind of feeling, Im constantly battling against suicidal ideation, if pssd was my only problem, I would be like 60% better. Im just I shell of the person that I used to be, mentally and physically, but I saw people buried like me getting out of the shit! I may be naive? Maybe yes, but one thing Im sure, being negative never helped anyone...

 

[Damn]

I've read a lot here about cdsnuts and a lot of people who follow him. I don't wanna be too negative in this thread, it's just that I've also seen very bad things about him in other forums.
I personally tried his protocol for 11 months and I've never seen changes. But I've lost a lot of money and energy.
People here are so depressed that it's easy to catch them for such a (expensive) protocol.

Here is just a quote of the propecialhelp-forum:

-CDSNUTS mostly posts links to websites designed as informercials, which sell some sort of health-related product

-CDSNUTS most posted websites have programs of Affiliate Marketing (more on
this below)

-CDSNUTS is an Affiliate of Lostempireherbs

-CDSNUTS has been posting about his Affiliate's products since he first joined the PFS community in 2008.

-CDSNUTS agressively markets his affiliates products.

-CDSNUTS affiliates also use themselves AGGRESSIVE SELLING techniques to push their products for sale

-CDSNUTS never posts anything of sound scientific, evidence based content

-CDSNUTS links to websites of poorly researched content, they dont even rank high in Google Search. The content of these websites is clearly directed at selling irresponsibly their items, while bashing out on proven medical treatments for easy to solve conditions such as hypogonadism, and very serious conditions such as cancer!
This is the hallmark of any health scam and CDSNUTS actively supports them!!

-CDSNUTS in 2010 claimed to never having tested Testosterone even though he claimed to have PFS. A testosterone exam is usually the first thing a doctor orders
CDSNUTS is/was very likely hypogonadal, even before finasteride, and has been on HRT the whole time he claimed to be recovering naturally from PFS with the products he advertises (please see the last post).for his low testosterone levels (which he did check)

There is a whole critical thread about him in propeciahelp:

Is cdnuts a fraud? : General

I'm not saying that all he says is wrong and false, I just want to tell you that maybe we should stay critical about him.

I hope this thread will not be deleted.

Sorry to be blunt, but this is quite the douchey post. Perhaps (since you obviously have not solved your own case of PFS yet) you should be more concerned with whether the protocol works than posting a bunch of shit from PH (a cesspool of misery & resentment) intended to assassinate someone's character and attack his motivations. Look, I am no CD apologist (I disagree with him on a number of things), but he has laid out a relatively easy to follow protocol that addresses the foundational aspects (diet/supplementation, exercise, stress management, etc.) of healing the body at a macro level which allow it to do the job only it can do and heal itself at a micro level and bring itself back to homeostasis. Believe it or not though, everything in life is not paint by numbers. You may actually have to put on your big boy pants, do some of your own research, trial & error, etc. and figure out what makes sense and what doesn't for your own needs and add/subtract/adjust accordingly. It is a long, painstaking process. I will say, however, based on your PH'ish attitude, I am not suprised you didn't see any improvements in 11 months regardless of what plan you were following. You really should work on that negativity (start by getting off of PH) as a prerequisite to making progress. Look, I know this sucks and I honestly hope you work your way out of it, but try working on yourself instead of trying to bring others down.

I also have to address a couple points from your quotes above before I go:

1) get a calculator and cypher this...multiply the commission percentage on a handful of supplements purchased once every one to two years by a couple hundred guys following the protocol. Now divide this by the hours CD has spent building a website and patiently answering loads of questions daily. I think we may have a minimum wage violation here boys.

2) So what is the "proven medical treatment for easy to solve conditions such as hypogonadism"? Guessing there are a lot of guys on these sites who would love to find that silver bullet

3) You want evidence based content? Try typing "Google" into that contraption you are reading this on and doing some research...does your momma still spoon feed you?

Best of luck.

 

[bruschi11]

Read your story the other day @Damn amazing stuff, congrats man.

"Never lose your sense of humor" - I think the ability to not take yourself so seriously and laugh at the things that happened to us and what we are doing are great. While you have to take your treatment seriously, you don't have to take yourself seriously. Laugh at this current state you are in. "I'm preparing some coffee for my anus guys, what you guys up to" I'll yell at my roommates. At a bar- 'Why aren't you drinking alcohol'--> "Bar fight- I'm on probation for 6 months. LOL you should've seen what I did to the guy."

We are just people- don't take yourself too seriously, but seriously work hard at getting your life back in full.

 

[Shadow]

Read your story the other day @Damn amazing stuff, congrats man.

"Never lose your sense of humor" - I think the ability to not take yourself so seriously and laugh at the things that happened to us and what we are doing are great. While you have to take your treatment seriously, you don't have to take yourself seriously. Laugh at this current state you are in. "I'm preparing some coffee for my anus guys, what you guys up to" I'll yell at my roommates. At a bar- 'Why aren't you drinking alcohol'--> "Bar fight- I'm on probation for 6 months. LOL you should've seen what I did to the guy."

We are just people- don't take yourself too seriously, but seriously work hard at getting your life back in full.

Nice words bruschi!

I remember something that happened to me, I was at the psychiatrist when all started to get bad, and there was a woman waiting there, we chatted a little bit, she clearly wasnt "normal", and I said to her that I had problems, but my sense of humor always helped me... when I was leaving the place, she looked at me with those eyes and said to me: "Your humor will save you one day!" And guess what, that "crazy" lady was right!

 

[noprop]

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Read your story the other day @Damn amazing stuff, congrats man.

"Never lose your sense of humor" - I think the ability to not take yourself so seriously and laugh at the things that happened to us and what we are doing are great. While you have to take your treatment seriously, you don't have to take yourself seriously. Laugh at this current state you are in. "I'm preparing some coffee for my anus guys, what you guys up to" I'll yell at my roommates. At a bar- 'Why aren't you drinking alcohol'--> "Bar fight- I'm on probation for 6 months. LOL you should've seen what I did to the guy."

We are just people- don't take yourself too seriously, but seriously work hard at getting your life back in full.

Yeah, hahaha. Very good. And your pic is great, too. And the name. All matches perfectely. With your great attitude and humour, I wish you plenty of classy women. What a great post. Hahaha, and I am laughing in my darkest hour. Man, you should be star. Noprop aka rapha

 

[noprop]

I am not friend with CD at all. BUT I respect freedom of speech. Some on solve did not. Try some things. Anyway, a comprehensive analysis helps you finding problems. Best

 

[Walker]

Most of this post is copy and pasted from two individuals who are total fucking morons, pvdl and xptriado. They have no good points other than slander - CDs recovered, as have I, they are still miserable. Who do you want to listen to?

Move along.

 

[MNK99]

Shoot. Good find Walker... Sad, but nice that you all quickly ruined their argument. Crybabies... I hate pfs, but I also strongly dislike people that say "you can't do it, can't solve it."

Tubzy, Gb, Canari, Bruschi, Niles, Chapman, Np, ev1 else all gave good responses. Necessity is the mother of all invention (cliche sure, but works in a lot of things in my life and in business). I wouldn't have learned more about spirituality, fasting, and everything else if not for health issues, and I learned a hell of a lot here on HS. I was all natural and it probably saved my life, and may not be as natural as some want me to be currently (it's not that bad -- nearly all natural), but I will be in the future (for later steps in resolving pfs).

Everyone who hates on me, feel free to respond. Better yet buy an airplane ticket, fly here and fight me (nearly anywhere in the world).
Before everyone's like ya everyone else has it easy --- try solving 4-5 untreatable conditions all at once or within 8 yrs... it's pretty hard, but crying that no one can do it... isn't helpful. I was extraordinarily depressed and I'm probably prone to depression anyways, so ... life is still a struggle and likely will be after fixing 80% or even all of pfs... but, it will be easier, bc I'll be better. Life isn't fair and is full of bullshit, but people need to harden up. Easier said than done, but basically that's all the help I was given at 20 (pretty useless help in a way, but still... I agree now) mixed with being blamed for pssd/mania, etc. I have more helpful posts on the first 5-6 pages of my (albeit confusing) log. I'll summarize it later, and after major steps, I always update (like randro, pct, ru, ella, fasting, refeed, arl in future, etc.).

 

[Damn]

Read your story the other day @Damn amazing stuff, congrats man.

"Never lose your sense of humor" - I think the ability to not take yourself so seriously and laugh at the things that happened to us and what we are doing are great. While you have to take your treatment seriously, you don't have to take yourself seriously. Laugh at this current state you are in. "I'm preparing some coffee for my anus guys, what you guys up to" I'll yell at my roommates. At a bar- 'Why aren't you drinking alcohol'--> "Bar fight- I'm on probation for 6 months. LOL you should've seen what I did to the guy."

We are just people- don't take yourself too seriously, but seriously work hard at getting your life back in full.

Thanks Bruschi. Couldn't agree more. The signature on my online dating profile after my divorce was "if you can't laugh at yourself, you're obviously missing the joke"