Dont understand why people are not using PFS protocol posted in electrolytes thread.

[Go_faster_Sonic]

@Helen , would you be so kind to guide me step by step by private messages?

 

[bruschi11]

@Go_faster_Sonic he can’t guide you step by step. He doesn’t have a step by step guide for people. He’s here providing information to 100s of people. We are learning for him.

He doesn’t have a step by step guide. He has ideas that we are trialing. Some of have been here now 10-11 months so we have an understanding of how things work and why.

Read post #2 in my thread here. https://hackstasis.com/threads/brus...ighting-cfs-lyme-and-post-drug-disorders.798/

This may give you better idea of what happened to you. No reason to panic.

 

[supernature]

@Helen , would you be so kind to guide me step by step by private messages?

...

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

@Go_faster_Sonic he can’t guide you step by step. He doesn’t have a step by step guide for people. He’s here providing information to 100s of people. We are learning for him.

He doesn’t have a step by step guide. He has ideas that we are trialing. Some of have been here now 10-11 months so we have an understanding of how things work and why.

Read post #2 in my thread here. https://hackstasis.com/threads/brus...ighting-cfs-lyme-and-post-drug-disorders.798/

This may give you better idea of what happened to you. No reason to panic.

Read it.
i'm in panic because after months doing well, i'm starting feeling suicidal again. And my skin is losing fat again. I'm in panic because here's there's a protocol which i do not understand, there's the cd nuts protocol, there is a french guy who told me he did the "trace elements" protocol, some guys on this site told me to fast, others to do the TEI (trace elements?) instead of ARL.
Guys, i don't want to be annoying, really, just consider that i feel like a children from the elemntary school who suddenly moves to the massucchessets institute of technology, department of chemistry, while i'm an artist-guy. Really, sorry. I know you are far above me in terms of knowledge and that i can look like a crybaby but that's what i am now: a fuching scared crybaby, be patient.

Now, trying to stop whining and being practical, let me brief my situation and list the possible moves, any suggestion is welcome.

1. THE CURRENT SITUATION
I'm on escitalopram 10 mg per day (an antidepressant), trazodone 20 drops before bad (without it i could not sleep at all), a lotion for my hair which, says the dermatologist, acts only locally (and i'd like to keep on putting it on my scalp, in this situation, losing my hair would make me feel worse).
My weight is 65 kg (143 pounds) and my height is 1,76 m (5,77 feet).
In this situation i can not water fast.

2. POSSIBILITIES (THINGS TO START WITH)
- since i cannot fast, i can start doing juice feast or raw food, don't know for how long, maybe i should find a doctor who helps me.
- juice feast/raw food and then starting the cd nuts protocol
- don't fast and start doing the hair test and taking the supplements/diet that they suggest;
- don't fast, don't do the hair test and starting with the helen pfs protocol, the citrulline, vit. a, b, c and liver flushes stuff without knowing dosages, how much, for how long and risking to get worse, all by myself

and the possibilities could be even more.
Where the heck do you think should i start from, in my situation? and why?

Thank you
Sonic "the crybaby" italian hedgehog

 

[Niles]

Read it.
i'm in panic because after months doing well, i'm starting feeling suicidal again. And my skin is losing fat again. I'm in panic because here's there's a protocol which i do not understand, there's the cd nuts protocol, there is a french guy who told me he did the "trace elements" protocol, some guys on this site told me to fast, others to do the TEI (trace elements?) instead of ARL.
Guys, i don't want to be annoying, really, just consider that i feel like a children from the elemntary school who suddenly moves to the massucchessets institute of technology, department of chemistry, while i'm an artist-guy. Really, sorry. I know you are far above me in terms of knowledge and that i can look like a crybaby but that's what i am now: a fuching scared crybaby, be patient.

Now, trying to stop whining and being practical, let me brief my situation and list the possible moves, any suggestion is welcome.

1. THE CURRENT SITUATION
I'm on escitalopram 10 mg per day (an antidepressant), trazodone 20 drops before bad (without it i could not sleep at all), a lotion for my hair which, says the dermatologist, acts only locally (and i'd like to keep on putting it on my scalp, in this situation, losing my hair would make me feel worse).
My weight is 65 kg (143 pounds) and my height is 1,76 m (5,77 feet).
In this situation i can not water fast.

2. POSSIBILITIES (THINGS TO START WITH)
- since i cannot fast, i can start doing juice feast or raw food, don't know for how long, maybe i should find a doctor who helps me.
- juice feast/raw food and then starting the cd nuts protocol
- don't fast and start doing the hair test and taking the supplements/diet that they suggest;
- don't fast, don't do the hair test and starting with the helen pfs protocol, the citrulline, vit. a, b, c and liver flushes stuff without knowing dosages, how much, for how long and risking to get worse, all by myself

and the possibilities could be even more.
Where the heck do you think should i start from, in my situation? and why?

Thank you
Sonic "the crybaby" italian hedgehog

I think the safest route would be to adopt cdsnuts lifestyle and diet while you order and wait for hair test results (Trace Elements or ARL). Juice feast to start or not, up to you. Once hair test is in, tweak your diet to their recommendations while maintaining healthy cdsnuts lifestyle and start taking hair test supplements. You can start on this now without much risk of making things worse. While you're doing that you can also study up on electrolytes protocol and see if it's a route you're interested in once you understand it.

First step that you should take immediately is make your diet immaculate. No processed foods, refined sugars, gluten, etc. Basically paleo type diet.

 

[TubZy]

Read it.
i'm in panic because after months doing well, i'm starting feeling suicidal again. And my skin is losing fat again. I'm in panic because here's there's a protocol which i do not understand, there's the cd nuts protocol, there is a french guy who told me he did the "trace elements" protocol, some guys on this site told me to fast, others to do the TEI (trace elements?) instead of ARL.
Guys, i don't want to be annoying, really, just consider that i feel like a children from the elemntary school who suddenly moves to the massucchessets institute of technology, department of chemistry, while i'm an artist-guy. Really, sorry. I know you are far above me in terms of knowledge and that i can look like a crybaby but that's what i am now: a fuching scared crybaby, be patient.

Now, trying to stop whining and being practical, let me brief my situation and list the possible moves, any suggestion is welcome.

1. THE CURRENT SITUATION
I'm on escitalopram 10 mg per day (an antidepressant), trazodone 20 drops before bad (without it i could not sleep at all), a lotion for my hair which, says the dermatologist, acts only locally (and i'd like to keep on putting it on my scalp, in this situation, losing my hair would make me feel worse).
My weight is 65 kg (143 pounds) and my height is 1,76 m (5,77 feet).
In this situation i can not water fast.

2. POSSIBILITIES (THINGS TO START WITH)
- since i cannot fast, i can start doing juice feast or raw food, don't know for how long, maybe i should find a doctor who helps me.
- juice feast/raw food and then starting the cd nuts protocol
- don't fast and start doing the hair test and taking the supplements/diet that they suggest;
- don't fast, don't do the hair test and starting with the helen pfs protocol, the citrulline, vit. a, b, c and liver flushes stuff without knowing dosages, how much, for how long and risking to get worse, all by myself

and the possibilities could be even more.
Where the heck do you think should i start from, in my situation? and why?

Thank you
Sonic "the crybaby" italian hedgehog

Just start by getting a hair test and taking the supplants based on your hair test. Why do you still need a step by step guide. you have the contact email right? Helen posted it to you in this thread (Catherine Richards). Just send her an email and say you want a TEI hair test done. She will send you back a form via email and you just fill out the info and cut your hair sample and send it back via an envelope. You will get results 1-3 weeks later in email saying the details of your hair sample with a supplement program to take to balance yourself back out.
You can reach out to Catherine for any other details during that process but don't expect her to answer questions about PFS specifcaly just the hair test part though. Nutritional balancing (hair test) isn't just a PFS thing it is about fixing your overall health via metabolism and getting a hair test done with the program (supplements they suggest) is just a way of doing it.

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Is there any difference between arl and tei?
can i do raw food/juice feast and, at the same time, do what the tei labs tells me to do or not? i wonder if after a tei/arl i have to eat what they tell me to eat: in this case it would make not sense do the two things at the same time

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Since i live in italy, i'm looking for a tei near here. any suggestion? someone suggests this: Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis HTMA Profile 1

 

[Troy]

nice you seem to be taking the right things. supporting your SODs and vitamins along with electrolytes. good job.

Seeing as we need to keep potassium up etc., are there any foods or substances we should avoid which lower potassium?

For example, do we need to worry about meals that contain garlic in them or italian dishes with cooking herbs (as I know garlic tablets can lower potassium)?

 

[vicecaz]

Since i live in italy, i'm looking for a tei near here. any suggestion? someone suggests this: Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis HTMA Profile 1

You need this one: Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis HTMA Profile 2
Profile 2, not 1. The 1 only give your hair analysis without diet and supp recommendations

I ordered from that website as well, good experience. I'm from France

 

[Troy]

Fin kills NADPH. NADPH is needed for glutathione and to recycle vitamin C and E. Since vitamin C and E stay not recycled, they become free radicals.

Also oxidized LDL causes the upregulation of the arginase. And you run very low on arginine which causes the dehydration, and also causes glucose 6 phosphase not to work meaning you cant use your glycogen stores.

if glycogen stores cant be excessed this causes too much pentose in the liver. And causes high cortisol which does not let you retain potassium.

This is why progesterone stays high.


So if you use citrulline along with b vitamins along with vitamin E and C. electrolytes , and bile acids. you should restore.

Also dont forget copper zinc balance. Look up Scenes recovery. He first took copper histidine with electrolytes and then took b vitamins plus C and E.


Some people just cycle progesterone, which just retains potassium and the minute you quit it , the potassium just loses itself again. Since cortisol will stay up until you fix glucose 6 phosphatase.

https://hackstasis.com/threads/electrolyte-protocol-for-improved-health.523/


vitamin E can lower estrogen in low estrogen people. So I guess that can effect the libido. I guess this protocol more for higher estrogen people

Can we use l-arginine instead of l-citrulline i.e. whey protein contains l-arginine, can I use this instead of l-citrulline?

 

[Helen]

Can we use l-arginine instead of l-citrulline i.e. whey protein contains l-arginine, can I use this instead of l-citrulline?

just wait a little, I will post more precise protocol soon, or go on TEI or ARL.

 

[Troy]

just wait a little, I will post more precise protocol soon, or go on TEI or ARL.

I'm desperate to get better. I want to do something now.

I'm going to keep going ahead with electrolytes protocol. It is helping a bit. But I've noticed as I've added in more potassium I've run into problems - panic attacks etc. Reading this thread, obviously it's due to not taking any b1 with it (plus all the other b vitamins).

So I'm going to add the b vitamins in. Is this okay to do seeing as I am low estrogen? Or are b vitamins only for high estrogen people.

 

[Walker]

I'm desperate to get better. I want to do something now.

I'm going to keep going ahead with electrolytes protocol. It is helping a bit. But I've noticed as I've added in more potassium I've run into problems - panic attacks etc. Reading this thread, obviously it's due to not taking any b1 with it (plus all the other b vitamins).

So I'm going to add the b vitamins in. Is this okay to do seeing as I am low estrogen? Or are b vitamins only for high estrogen people.

I took B Vitamins throughout my recovery and I had low E. Fun fact, one of the most overlooked items in @Cdsnuts protocol which I followed to get better, is B vitamins. Most people miss the other details and only focus on herbs and prohormones.

I think you're good to go. Just see how you feel.

 

[Troy]

I took B Vitamins throughout my recovery and I had low E. Fun fact, one of the most overlooked items in @Cdsnuts protocol which I followed to get better, is B vitamins. Most people miss the other details and only focus on herbs and prohormones.

I think you're good to go. Just see how you feel.

Thanks I’ll add them in.

Had to take a break and I’ll let myself stabalise before starting again.

 

[djohn051]

I've been running the electrolyte protocol for a few weeks now. I've had nocturnal erections everynight, which barely ever happened before. Unfortunately though, my libido has remained at 0% the whole time and no spontaneous, daytime erections. Not sure what to make of that.

 

[MNK99]

-If erections possible are possible even without libido, maybe it can put your mind at ease - that "it is not permanent damage".
-libido comes back eventually.
-and eventually libido and e.q. at high strength, takes a lot of time.
-cuz of meds, and other random damage --- had and have damage to both.
-sometimes, just one of e.q. and libido --- always came back. Not something to count on to justify further damaging activity, just saying... it's a good sign @djohn051

 

[djohn051]

-If erections possible are possible even without libido, maybe it can put your mind at ease - that "it is not permanent damage".
-libido comes back eventually.
-and eventually libido and e.q. at high strength, takes a lot of time.
-cuz of meds, and other random damage --- had and have damage to both.
-sometimes, just one of e.q. and libido --- always came back. Not something to count on to justify further damaging activity, just saying... it's a good sign @djohn051

Thanks for the response. That is good to know that there doesn't appear to be an permanent physiological damage. I'm two years out since quitting Fin, but probably closer to three years with PFS. I quit the drug once, a year before quitting for good, which is when I crashed. Anxiously got on it again for another year until quitting for good, which was two years ago. In that time, my libido has been completely gone. The only time I got any sex drive was when I was on oxycontin for an unrelated surgery.

Am I correct that it is different chemicals which drive nocturnal erections vs. those that cause sexytime/spontaneous erections?

Thanks

 

[jacknap]

I took B Vitamins throughout my recovery and I had low E. Fun fact, one of the most overlooked items in @Cdsnuts protocol which I followed to get better, is B vitamins. Most people miss the other details and only focus on herbs and prohormones.

I think you're good to go. Just see how you feel.

what b complex u liking these days?