Dr. Crisler

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Not true. JQD worked with Dr. Jacobs a little bit. Probably biggest PFS doctor idiot in the world. Way worse than Crisler.

Jacobs said something to me like “the amount of cortisol you have doesnt matter.” Which is hilarious as its most important hormone in body.

Jacobs should be taken to court for medical malpractice for everyone who has seen him for pfs.

“Let’s just give this guy 500mg testo and see what happens.” Was one of his experiments.

I went to Dr. Jacobs at one point. He prescribed low dose dexamethasone, which I actually never tried using.

 

[MNK99]

--NOT too too relevant to this thread. BUt I did use dexamethasone + an antibiotic for an eye infection (something like conjunctivitis, any random # of eye infections exist).
-Didn't crash. Steroid inhalers (asthma), no crash. --Did they improve me? well the eye infection and asthma yes. But one was acute and short term, the other I'll see if TEI can get rid of it... maybe. Possibly it will take a long ass time but other benefits are worth it. --Improve PFS? Not sure.
- I'm just putting this out there don't fear them if needed short term. FOR PFS or PSSD probably not helpful to most people.
-So glad I got off his site and others looking at them obsessively and decided to just fucking fast as per hackstasis and swole source (CD et. al). Beginning recovery Jan 6/ 18.

 

[diffi]

I went to Dr. Jacobs at one point. He prescribed low dose dexamethasone, which I actually never tried using.

Some got improvements on dexa low dose. 0.25-0.5 mg every second day or third day. One guy did it for one year and got cured.
It could be that the immune system "reboots", just a guess. Or the androgen level goes down for 3-4 days and rises a bit again: the AR adapt to that. Just a guess.

 

[TomekAtomek]

Long term TRT will mess you up... lack of potassium. Sounds like that is what caused his heart issues in the first place, but I was not expecting suicide. I think heart issues with long term TRT is inevitable

So do I need to supplement potassium while on TRT?

 

[TubZy]

So do I need to supplement potassium while on TRT?

Supplementing potassium won't do much since your body is wasting it for a reason since it thinks it has enough testosterone already. That is why @Helen suggests progesterone with TRT since progesterone retains potassium if you decided to go that routr. But TRT and potassium is just a stilt as I'm not sure what condition you are treating with it

 

[TomekAtomek]

Supplementing potassium won't do much since your body is wasting it for a reason since it thinks it has enough testosterone already. That is why @Helen suggests progesterone with TRT since progesterone retains potassium if you decided to go that routr.

thnx, already been taking prog and some dhea

But TRT and potassium is just a stilt as I'm not sure what condition you are treating with it

post fin, post cocaine, post depression, low motivation, low libido, I'm a real fuckup

 

[MNK99]

I think estrogen.. more linked to cardiovascular disease and prostate cancer linked to trt and heart disease linked to trt are both being seen as not true. SURE abusing steroids and heart disease... yeah.

I think he kept shyt to himself too much and never made a family... hence, the suicide. He regretted that. He did med school in his late 30's. I kind of get all this.


I think test cream and dht cream so much better for PFS people, androgen deficient, and lots who don't respond well to steroids. 2-3x maybe way more dht from transcrotal test than from injections.

AND also just guys who need dht more than test, even without pfs. I'm gonna try it. I fixed pfs before I think I am just ultimately very traumatized and ADHD... I am working on that shyt.

--test cream>>>> injections of enanthate or cypionate 2 or 7d a week (microdosed) >>> test gel . From my research (reading, have only used test enanthate lately and barely).

 

[MNK99]

This guy uses test cream. HONESTLY I felt like superman nearly all of 2018-2021.. Some shyt happened end of 2021.. and parts of 2022.. I think I'll just try hormonal route more. RANDRO/4andro ups enzymes. as does presence of dht... test cream should work way better than injections. up free test.. and dht. dht cream? even better (not the Russian star peptide shyt).

ALSO felt quite cured/ took fk all most recent years but I think lockdown and movement disorder from the vax set me back a bit... like i said traumatized. I hope this can help me get back on track.

Hoping dopamine is all I need.. from test and dex.. and working hard and results again.

I mean it may be really bad for some... but some that don't respond to injections can be helped with the cream. I am sure it isn't for everyone. Randro helped me tons as did 4andro, I just want that but sustained with test cream... skip the bs. I think test cream and or dht cream makes more sense than dht steroids -var, masteron... etc. LIKE all things YMMV.

 

[bruschi11]

I’ve been posting on ray peat….. I think test cream is the WORST try for balancing body makes zero sense to inflate dht. Kills estrogen and copper, raises adrenaline. I responded miserably to test cream.

This is sad. Gbold got us on right track. I’m dying of Parkinson’s trying testosterone this week but deep down I know it’s over.

Basically dht just seems like it’s a horrible idea for anyone that needs copper to stay available.

 

[MNK99]

From people who have used all this is not true... This or gel @bruschi11 There are clear differences. SOME swear by this. Like I saw vids where 6 docs were mentioned that they switched to this for personal use. The injections barely raise dht for some. RANDRO helped me tons / 4andro too.. for like years after using it. I think this could help a lot ... like anything YMMV. I don't even think I am using it for pfs per se but rather some low test, dht issues. AND I did use a sarm for a tiny bit of time because of some neck injury/ joint/scoliosis type stuff and that suppressed me but I am gonna get some of this and try. Maybe combine with test enanthate. Otherwise test e and masterone but I think cream is better/ easier for me. DHT helped me a lot (in terms of randro, at least which is not true dht but still). 4andro did too but I think raising free test and dht will help a lot for me.

 

[bruschi11]

From people who have used all this is not true... This or gel @bruschi11 There are clear differences. SOME swear by this. Like I saw vids where 6 docs were mentioned that they switched to this for personal use. The injections barely raise dht for some. RANDRO helped me tons / 4andro too.. for like years after using it. I think this could help a lot ... like anything YMMV. I don't even think I am using it for pfs per se but rather some low test, dht issues. AND I did use a sarm for a tiny bit of time because of some neck injury/ joint/scoliosis type stuff and that suppressed me but I am gonna get some of this and try. Maybe combine with test enanthate. Otherwise test e and masterone but I think cream is better/ easier for me. DHT helped me a lot (in terms of randro, at least which is not true dht but still). 4andro did too but I think raising free test and dht will help a lot for me.

That is the exact cream I have on hand.

T cream pushes dht before testo. You use up calcium too quickly. It’s the least natural thing you can possibly do.

It really messed me up.

I’m gonna try test cypionate and suspension (if needed).

T cream and dhts kill copper and estrogen. We need copper and estrogen. Some people short term want to lower it for their given body chemistry. That short term can be 6 months even a year. But you keep pushing t cream dht all the time long term you’re gonna crash. You’re gonna get infections. You’re gonna burn out.

If you want to try trt try cypionate. I don’t know if it’s gonna work for me cuz I’m real bad. But on paper it makes sense.

 

[MNK99]

I don't see a huge difference between cypionate and enanthate. I think long term this would work fine for some people. Maybe not in PFS state (probably not because it didn't for most people who tried).
I will try creams when I can and mostly just to up dht and have a test base. I need the test and dht will lower estradiol... this is good for me when cutting. Not doing this for PFS as much, maybe I am...not sure.
I gotta work on discipline and structure again. I hope you and I find good solutions.

ALSO: are you lifting and running around with the test cream? Your condition seems even more complex than mine... Not sure.

I just figure rather than aromatase inhibitors and other shyt I've never ever tried, DHT cream will meet that need. Lowering aromatization. It will also fulfil DHT steroid needs, except it will be bioidentical.

rFSH and follistatin therapy for once every 2 yrs trt even better, except who knows with 5ar affects... gotta work hard to get it.

--test injns
--test cream
--test cream and dht cream transcrotal
--rfsh and lh (hcg) and gene therapy -- for max results without any need for injections and no need for daily cream application. -- I am sure some of this shyt will help people in the future for TRT needs.
--PFS wise? yeah I mean some.. but the tei, ru486, electrolytes, randro/4andro worked well for a lot of ppl. NONE of us cured it exactly like someone else did. Maybe nearly exactly some TMO/CD people.

FOR PFS and not really screwed up TEI is probably better... more than one way to get shyt done.

For adding dht, methyl-dht, the ONE prohormone or as Tubzy said on discord: