EsQimo Log (New member / My labs + EllaOne treatment)

[Niles]

I know this is easier said than done, but if she's the type to leave you because she's over her condition (which you stuck with her through) and you're still stuck in yours, she's total trash and you don't need her in your life. Real talk.

I had a lot of "good time" "friends" that I lost during my recovery. I consider that a total win.

Not easy to hear, but absolutely true. If she's going to leave you over sexual side effects, then she's not worth it.

On the other hand, I've read about other guys who have lost friends and/or girlfriends not because of PFS symptoms that they can't control, but because they develop a victim mentality and allow PFS to consume them in every aspect of their life. If one stays in isolation all day, anxiously researching symptoms and not allowing themselves to be "present" with their loved ones, then you can hardly blame them for leaving. Not saying this describes you, but definitely something to think about. I know this was a big realization that I had to make in order to save relationships, and many of my relationships have gotten stronger than ever since allowing myself to be present, honest, and vulnerable, without ever feeling sorry for myself. If you can be all of those things and yet the relationship still falls apart, then like @Walker said, you're better off without it.

 

[bruschi11]

@EsQimo

You have to get healthy man. Only the very healthy are able to beat this hormonally.

 

[IHateFin]

A little update guys.

Im off progesterone 5 days and nothing has changed.

Now I feel really bad cause my girlfriend who has cancer the last 6 months and shes still on chemotherapies, wanna break up with me. :/
She told me that she had a diagnosis for cancer on January and now shes geting over it and I have stuck in the same situation....
She lost feelings because of this.

Im so devastated that i stopped progesterone cause it made me feel extremely emotional.

I dont know where to go from here.
I feel totaly lost.
Any ideas guys?
bruschi11 IHateFin

Last night i dreamt that i went to the doctor and he told me that i have prostate cancer and thats the reason for all those symptoms.
And I was so happy and relieved that i woke up with a smile on my face.
:/

Something simple to test rn would be taking a high quality tribulous either in a small or high dose and see if it has a different affect on you.

At this point you could look at ru and take that now n get back on prog or take the two at the same time.

Also screw that chick man... that's messed up that she would not stick by you when you stuck by her for her cancer. Karma is a bitch... watch her cancer come back in a couple years while you're cured.. chemo doesn't cure cancer. It has a 97% fail rate

 

[jacknap]

I know this is easier said than done, but if she's the type to leave you because she's over her condition (which you stuck with her through) and you're still stuck in yours, she's total trash and you don't need her in your life. Real talk.

I had a lot of "good time" "friends" that I lost during my recovery. I consider that a total win.

realistically that's most people unfortunately lol

 

[EsQimo]

I know this is easier said than done, but if she's the type to leave you because she's over her condition (which you stuck with her through) and you're still stuck in yours, she's total trash and you don't need her in your life. Real talk.

I had a lot of "good time" "friends" that I lost during my recovery. I consider that a total win.

I stuck with her ofc.
I was every single day with her.
At the hospital, at the surgery, at chemostherapies...
Now she have 2 more chemotherapies to go.
In 3 weeks from now she will over her 6 month course.

We are both sick pal, we know both how it feels to be sick.
But I learnt something more:
How it feels to be helpless

Not easy to hear, but absolutely true. If she's going to leave you over sexual side effects, then she's not worth it.

On the other hand, I've read about other guys who have lost friends and/or girlfriends not because of PFS symptoms that they can't control, but because they develop a victim mentality and allow PFS to consume them in every aspect of their life. If one stays in isolation all day, anxiously researching symptoms and not allowing themselves to be "present" with their loved ones, then you can hardly blame them for leaving. Not saying this describes you, but definitely something to think about. I know this was a big realization that I had to make in order to save relationships, and many of my relationships have gotten stronger than ever since allowing myself to be present, honest, and vulnerable, without ever feeling sorry for myself. If you can be all of those things and yet the relationship still falls apart, then like @Walker said, you're better off without it.

Man lets be honest.
Without sex (without good sex...) there is no relationship.
Simply it does not exist...
Even if i was the happiest guy alive, despite PFS, that would not change anything at all.
Everyone knows the root problem.
Ofc its absolutely different to have 60-70% libido and to have 20-30%.
Like its different to have Hogkins Lymphoma with 98% survival rate, and totaly different to have lung cancer that has made metastasis all over your body and your brain.
Its the severity of a disease that makes the difference.

What can I offer to this girl exactly at least?
I have stopped to be a man.
This girl is still a woman with or without cancer...

@EsQimo

You have to get healthy man. Only the very healthy are able to beat this hormonally.

What i have to do?
I go to gym 3 times/ week
I have stopped alcohol. I dont drink not even a beer.
I dont smoke.
I eat clean. I take antioxidants.
I m 69 kilos (4 gods sake...) from the diets and fasting.
This is a problem in our cells.
How can we beat it with nutrition?

Something simple to test rn would be taking a high quality tribulous either in a small or high dose and see if it has a different affect on you.

At this point you could look at ru and take that now n get back on prog or take the two at the same time.

Also screw that chick man... that's messed up that she would not stick by you when you stuck by her for her cancer. Karma is a bitch... watch her cancer come back in a couple years while you're cured.. chemo doesn't cure cancer. It has a 97% fail rate

What tribulus dosage?
I have Body Attack Tribulus Extreme.
Here its considered to be a high quality Tribulus generaly.
Low dosages dont do absolutely nothing.


I may have PFS for ever, and thats the truth.
She will stay with me for ever waiting to get better?
IF I ever get better...

If i was dying from cancer I am sure that she would be next to me.
If I had cancer and told her to wait 1 year, im sure that she will...
But she cant be with an eunuch.
I dont blame her.
Because the answer for how long we will have PFS is "Indefinitely" and "maybe forever".

I dont wanna her cancer come back never ever.
I wanna her to be cured forever and be happy.
I really love her.
I dont feel betrayed.
I feel sad that I am trying so hard and nothing ever change.

 

[HerrFisch]

@EsQimo
if your sides are only sexual,
what happens if you use like 5-7g histidine with b6/p5p ?

 

[EsQimo]

@EsQimo
if your sides are only sexual,
what happens if you use like 5-7g histidine with b6/p5p ?

I didnt ever try Histidine.
When I take P5P, no matter the dosage, I just have yellow piss.
Thats all.

Do you believe that i have to try Histidine?

 

[bruschi11]

How is your gut @EsQimo what are stools like?? Have you had hair test done?

So you wake up feeling great every single day but just have sexual issues? Or do you wake up feeling eh ok and get better as day goes ok?

Health is difficult to judge in people. But overall If you get your system to a place where it’s balanced and rid yourself of heavy metals, pathogens, and environmental toxins Pfs in my mind cannot exist.

The body is a self regulating system. It will go back to its place if you remove the obstacles that are in its way.

 

[HerrFisch]

I didnt ever try Histidine.
When I take P5P, no matter the dosage, I just have yellow piss.
Thats all.

No I meant together, to increase histamine.

 

[EsQimo]

How is your gut @EsQimo what are stools like?? Have you had hair test done?

So you wake up feeling great every single day but just have sexual issues? Or do you wake up feeling eh ok and get better as day goes ok?

Health is difficult to judge in people. But overall If you get your system to a place where it’s balanced and rid yourself of heavy metals, pathogens, and environmental toxins Pfs in my mind cannot exist.

The body is a self regulating system. It will go back to its place if you remove the obstacles that are in its way.

I wake up and i have tons of energy, my gut and digestion is perfect,my stools are normal, my cognitive function is very very good. Everything in my body works absolutely normal.
I would say better than normal.

The sides are only sexual + my hairloss has stopped totaly!
Sexual sides from libido and skin insensitivity to penile curvature.
If that condition was just mental how the **** my penis get curved overnight, without having Peyronies.
No urologist can explain that. They are speechless when they look at it.
My balls are ok and i suppose my sperm is also good.

I would be absolutely healthy if the sexual sides didnt affect my psychology.
Im devastated cause of these.
It seems to me that my life collapses.

Pathogens + heavy metals it would be a good thought.
But why my hairloss has stopped?
Why new hairs keep growing?
My friend are convinced that i have made a hair transplant the last 5 months.

Genitals + hair are the only spots that 5AR2 lays. :/
Thats the only explanation that i can give.

I dont know if the body can regulate itself.
We used chemicals.
Maybe the body "believe" that the current state is its normal state.

 

[EsQimo]

No I meant together, to increase histamine.

No why i have to increase histamine?

 

[bruschi11]

Its a good thing you feel well @EsQimo . All you have is an imbalance that completely stole your sexuality. It sucks. Its brutal. But do not believe all that shit you see on propeciahelp, solvepfs "epigenetic disease." Thats all bull shit.

You have an imbalance. You can figure a way out of this. There's a lot of things to try. I like @HerrFisch suggestion there with histidine p5p. Histidine is really helping my libido and has for quite some some time now when I've expirimented with it. Try betaine HCL with it. Betaine HCL at all protein meals. Collagen protein is a good protein you might want to include in your diet, bone broth.

But I'd have hair analysis done man. Will give you a better view of your system.

 

[EsQimo]

Its a good thing you feel well @EsQimo . All you have is an imbalance that completely stole your sexuality. It sucks. Its brutal. But do not believe all that shit you see on propeciahelp, solvepfs "epigenetic disease." Thats all bull shit.

You have an imbalance. You can figure a way out of this. There's a lot of things to try. I like @HerrFisch suggestion there with histidine p5p. Histidine is really helping my libido and has for quite some some time now when I've expirimented with it. Try betaine HCL with it. Betaine HCL at all protein meals. Collagen protein is a good protein you might want to include in your diet, bone broth.

But I'd have hair analysis done man. Will give you a better view of your system.

I dont disagree thats an imbalance, but why my 3a-Diol-G is 5 when my 30 y.o. brother is 24 and my 63y.o. father is 19.
Doesnt that show that its something deeper?
Something more than mineral or hormonal imbalance?

I want to read Helen's opinion for this.
Helen
3a-diol-G is an indicator of intra-cell 5a-Reductase activity.
Why at PFS sufferers this is always lowish?

So i will buy histidine and i will try it with P5P to see if it will make a difference

 

[noprop]

I dont disagree thats an imbalance, but why my 3a-Diol-G is 5 when my 30 y.o. brother is 24 and my 63y.o. father is 19.
Doesnt that show that its something deeper?
Something more than mineral or hormonal imbalance?

I want to read Helen's opinion for this.
Helen
3a-diol-G is an indicator of intra-cell 5a-Reductase activity.
Why at PFS sufferers this is always lowish?

So i will buy histidine and i will try it with P5P to see if it will make a difference

What we certainly know is the neurosteroidal imbalance. Showed in the studies. Cns problems might be there, too. Uprised AR numbers in brain and tissues being showed AS well. Correcting imbalances is good cause some issues are linked to that.
But some issues could really have a deeper root. Cause changes came suddendly, fast. And didnt go away.
I wonder when Baylor is out!
I suggested to the foundation to look for 5ar III - I expect results this year. I want thrm. Cause M.fucked us. Those...

 

[IHateFin]

I dont disagree thats an imbalance, but why my 3a-Diol-G is 5 when my 30 y.o. brother is 24 and my 63y.o. father is 19.
Doesnt that show that its something deeper?
Something more than mineral or hormonal imbalance?

I want to read Helen's opinion for this.
Helen
3a-diol-G is an indicator of intra-cell 5a-Reductase activity.
Why at PFS sufferers this is always lowish?

So i will buy histidine and i will try it with P5P to see if it will make a difference

You're not wrong man, but if you give the body the tools to heal (minerals n such) it will rebalance itself.
PFS seems to be some stuck locked state where 5alpha reduced androgens are not metabolized the same and possible androgen receptor down regulation.

 

[EsQimo]

What we certainly know is the neurosteroidal imbalance. Showed in the studies. Cns problems might be there, too. Uprised AR numbers in brain and tissues being showed AS well. Correcting imbalances is good cause some issues are linked to that.
But some issues could really have a deeper root. Cause changes came suddendly, fast. And didnt go away.
I wonder when Baylor is out!
I suggested to the foundation to look for 5ar III - I expect results this year. I want thrm. Cause M.fucked us. Those...

Changes came litteraly overnight for me.

What is Baylor? A new study?
Do you really believe that any study will accuse M?
That wont happen. Never.

PFS exists.
M. knows the exact mechanism and how to fix it.
They will never tell and they will never fund any research for obvious reasons.
They may didnt know finasteride sides when they release it, but now they know and they will never admit anything.

You're not wrong man, but if you give the body the tools to heal (minerals n such) it will rebalance itself.
PFS seems to be some stuck locked state where 5alpha reduced androgens are not metabolized the same and possible androgen receptor down regulation.

Stuck locked state.

Its not only 5a reduced androgens (DHT).
We cant process generaly androgens.

Personnaly i cant process androgens where 5AR2 lays.
At the spots of the body where finasteride stopped DHT and then after cessation this rushed back.
Prostate, genitals in general and hair.
Its not so difficult to understand whats going on.

To the spots where 5AR1 lays, everything is absolutely normal

 

[noprop]

Changes came litteraly overnight for me.

What is Baylor? A new study?
Do you really believe that any study will accuse M?
That wont happen. Never.

PFS exists.
M. knows the exact mechanism and how to fix it.
They will never tell and they will never fund any research for obvious reasons.
They may didnt know finasteride sides when they release it, but now they know and they will never admit anything.


Stuck locked state.

Its not only 5a reduced androgens (DHT).
We cant process generaly androgens.

Personnaly i cant process androgens where 5AR2 lays.
At the spots of the body where finasteride stopped DHT and then after cessation this rushed back.
Prostate, genitals in general and hair.
Its not so difficult to understand whats going on.

To the spots where 5AR1 lays, everything is absolutely normal

Baylor Studies: check in ph.
The studies wont accuse M., just studies But the results are surpressed, it seems. I am sure, there is an epigenetic change, at least in some. But some people even think, there could be mutations. Then, M.would be fucked. Fin was invented to destroy men. AS covering, they offered a drug against growing prostate and hairloss. But the root of all that were men with low dht (pseudohermaprodite). They searched for those men. Those liars at M.told, dht would not be important. Once again: They knew what they were doing. By purpose. They want to destroy men. They are liars. Not good.

 

[EsQimo]

Baylor Studies: check in ph.
The studies wont accuse M., just studies But the results are surpressed, it seems. I am sure, there is an epigenetic change, at least in some. But some people even think, there could be mutations. Then, M.would be fucked. Fin was invented to destroy men. AS covering, they offered a drug against growing prostate and hairloss. But the root of all that were men with low dht (pseudohermaprodite). They searched for those men. Those liars at M.told, dht would not be important. Once again: They knew what they were doing. By purpose. They want to destroy men. They are liars. Not good.

To me it seems that PFS is not 1 single disease.
We call PFS every long term side effects from Finasteride.

From hormonal imbalance to possible mutations.

 

[Concerned]

Yep. I find the term post finasteride syndrome kind of useless really. Some only have erection issues. Some libido. Some like myself are literally having their perception of reality change (room slanted, feeling of being pulled sideways). Some only have sleep issues. There just isn’t enough research and recognition.

 

[tonysoprano]

@EsQimo how are things going for you