ESTRONE VS ESTRADIOL RATIO as the cause of PFS and hairloss.

[Yura]

I take 160mg of regular thiamine. I think it works ok..

 

[supernature]

If one already has a perfectly balanced life in which one can be mentally and emotionally present with friends and family, chase novel experiences, and continue to grow despite one's physical condition, then there is no need to take any kind of offense to posts such as these, or give them any attention at all. I think the only reason one would be offended is if these posts shine a light on some deep insecurity, in which case it's especially important to engage in these discussions.

I speak from experience, because this is a balance I struggle with, and which RWAC admitted he has struggled with as well.

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There is a reason that swolsource has a higher percentage of members cured then ph or spfs, and it is because of all of the positive mental/behavioral discussion and support.

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[Aflac94]

I dont get if you are talking to me, since you've quoted my post i guess you are talking to me. Look its seen from your post you are talking from experience, so you have experienced all this insecurities you are talking about. If we are talking about RWC idk I've never read their posts, but as they say about it, they might have it as well.

What i meant is the behavior of virtual hugging and the girly talk and the holding hands: 'com'on guys you can do it' type of talk.

And the other thing is that by leaving they announce they are not gonna contribute to dig up some more to the common cause, but probably they wouldnt mind come back in future to use the knew dug out knowledge for granted, while they were on a brake.
So if you would like to applause them (RWC) you might just missed the moment to hug them on their way out, but dont worry such a narcissist like them have no problem and will come back either to get some more free stuff thats around here and also to check if we were thinking about them while they were on vacation. Well let them have it.




I didnt know that health forums consist of cheerleaders as well

@supernature
Respond and engage the posts you care about then and leave the other threads alone, no need to clog them up by complaining to someone for posting some motivational stuff or mocking someone (as you did above) who made an intelligent rebuttal to your argument.

 

[EsQimo]

I have middle range estradiol and estrone, low estriol, high T, high dht in my dutch test

High T - High DHT
The problem is that DHT cant be used from your cells anymore.

Dont mesure your Oestrogens.
They r perfectly fine.

If it was a hormonal imbalance, it would have been solved by now.

 

[Slayo]

High T - High DHT
The problem is that DHT cant be used from your cells anymore.

Dont mesure your Oestrogens.
They r perfectly fine.

If it was a hormonal imbalance, it would have been solved by now.

Agree,ii was just posting my labs so he can see if his theory could be right

 

[supernature]

Respond and engage the posts you care about then and leave the other threads alone, no need to clog them up by complaining to someone for posting some motivational stuff or mocking someone (as you did above) who made an intelligent rebuttal to your argument.

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I do not like health forums because it attracts negative people with a bad mindset. A lot of victims and people feeling sorry for themselves. People dragging each other down back in bucket with crabs. It is a dirty place and I never feel good visiting any of these forums. Even this forum.

There is a lot of good people on here but also a lot of weak and negative people.

 

[Helen]

Agree,ii was just posting my labs so he can see if his theory could be right

Your labs match this theory correctly. Look at your estriol. It is zero with high DHT and testosterone.

With high DHT your estradiol should be high. And it is not.

Conversions from testosterone to DHT and from testosterone to estradiol are all done on NADPH.

SO if you have high DHT but low estrogens, means you have low NADPH

And low DHT breakdown. Meaning low 3 beta hsd. Which needs NAD and nad is made with FAD. by IDO TDO enzyme.

Thus I said that high dht high testosterone people need more FAD. and probably NADPH also.

And DHT does not work since you have low estrogens.


Also what is your prolactin levels?

 

[HerrFisch]

Is Riboflavin enough for most people to increase FAD ?

 

[Helen]

Is Riboflavin enough for most people to increase FAD ?

I guess you would also need magnesium.

 

[Mudrep]

What about taurine to put magnesium and potassium inside the cells?

 

[Slayo]

Your labs match this theory correctly. Look at your estriol. It is zero with high DHT and testosterone.

With high DHT your estradiol should be high. And it is not.

Conversions from testosterone to DHT and from testosterone to estradiol are all done on NADPH.

SO if you have high DHT but low estrogens, means you have low NADPH

And low DHT breakdown. Meaning low 3 beta hsd. Which needs NAD and nad is made with FAD. by IDO TDO enzyme.

Thus I said that high dht high testosterone people need more FAD. and probably NADPH also.

And DHT does not work since you have low estrogens.


Also what is your prolactin levels?

I measured my prolactin 3 months after the crash and it was high, i lowered it with a drug, it was 4 years ago, no idea how my prolacting is now

 

[Niles]

I dont get if you are talking to me, since you've quoted my post i guess you are talking to me. Look its seen from your post you are talking from experience, so you have experienced all this insecurities you are talking about. If we are talking about RWC idk I've never read their posts, but as they say about it, they might have it as well.

What i meant is the behavior of virtual hugging and the girly talk and the holding hands: 'com'on guys you can do it' type of talk.

And the other thing is that by leaving they announce they are not gonna contribute to dig up some more to the common cause, but probably they wouldnt mind come back in future to use the knew dug out knowledge for granted, while they were on a brake.
So if you would like to applause them (RWC) you might just missed the moment to hug them on their way out, but dont worry such a narcissist like them have no problem and will come back either to get some more free stuff thats around here and also to check if we were thinking about them while they were on vacation. Well let them have it.




I didnt know that health forums consist of cheerleaders as well

Maybe you and I are here for different reasons, which is fine, but I don't think that warrants sarcastic and condescending personal attacks. If you're happy and confident in your situation and these kinds of posts don't speak to you, then there is no need for you to engage. I still don't understand why you would get so up in arms over "cheerleader" posts - they are not hurting anyone, and they do certainly help some. Even though RWAC's critique of health forums may have been undiplomatic, it still reflects a perspective that is important to consider. Many if not the majority of those who have recovered from PFS had to deliberately step away from forums at some point because they can potentially be a distraction - mental game is HUGELY important in a multi-systemic illness like PFS. If you're confident in your relationship with health forums, then there's no reason why such a critique should trigger such petty mocking.

 

[supernature]

warrants sarcastic and condescending personal attacks.

If you're confident in your relationship with health forums

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[Willylong98]

I thought test+prog or test+deca (a progestin) acted as band aids for PFS since deca or progesterone will fill in the slot like going back on fin. It was suggested in this thread to @Willylong98 who is a PFS person.
https://hackstasis.com/threads/got-estrogen-bloodwork-while-on-ru486.651/page-2

I did actually have bloods both pre and post fin and my stuff was normal (high T, normal E etc). I also did have blood test prior to superdrol cycle and same result (high T etc). I didn't have progesterone tested though. So even with normal bloods and then taking superdrol my body responded that way after taking it. I dont know if I actually had high estrogen post cycle superdrol, I was just assuming since really in any circumstance coming off steroids estrogen is usually elevated since T has be supressed and superdrol is pretty suppressive.

I regained libido using nandrolone

 

[TubZy]

I regained libido using nandrolone

Right, since its filling in the slot fin acted as since they are both progestins

 

[bruschi11]

Many if not the majority of those who have recovered from PFS had to deliberately step away from forums at some point because they can potentially be a distraction - mental game is HUGELY important in a multi-systemic illness like PFS. If you're confident in your relationship with health forums, then there's no reason why such a critique should trigger such petty mocking.

Stepping away is important in getting better no doubt in my mind. You can’t get your life caught up in a forum 24/7 it’s good to get off.

I also would love to see some recovery stories stick around so their minds can be picked and bloods, minerals tested. I love what @Walker and @Cdsnuts do sticking around to help the cause in recovery.

But what could have RWAC done here @supernature Beyond testing? He was pretty unsure what cured him beyond Ella. He did a lot of stuff there for the time period he got cured. He fasted weekends, cold showers, great diet, exercise, zinc finger aminos, betaine Hcl/electrolytes...

I mean.. he told us what he did to a pretty good degree.

 

[jacknap]

I don't think all BBers age like crap, mainly powerlifters I would say age the worst and are in crap shape (skin, joints etc.) since they are constantly pounding their joints and don't really care too much about diet. BBers it really depends since they take so much shit and it is hard to pinpoint what is doing what. For example, many BBers take GH with juice, so if the more toxic and harsh drugs that give acne/back acne and make your skin look like crap (by shutting off progesterone) get offset by GH supplementation since GH smooths out and improves skin. So you really never know TBH what these guys are really on.

yeah I think there's a golden ratio for muscle. Body builders like having superphysiological or upper edge of muscle but I truly think 30lbs of lean muscle is the holistic sweet spot. not 50-60+ like most juice heads strive for

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

here's what my dermatologist calls and cures "low local estrone ipotrichia"
Alopecia estrone carenziale - Le patologie del capello
Le Terapie Mediche - Lozione galenica

here, at the bottom of the article, you'll find some studies about it
Low local estrone ipotrichia

pages are in italian

 

[HerrFisch]

question, do both accutane and fin lower NADPH?

 

[noprop]

I am not talking about taking testosterone and progesterone for PFS. or taking any steroids here. I just mentioned about the cycle for normal people if someone ever decides to take do steroids.

DHT and estradiol, just by pass the missing NADPH. And only for people with low DHT and low estradiol. They fix nothing. YOu just give 2 hormones which are missing.

Without NADPH you simply dont make Estradiol or DHT. Look at the chart. both of them are made with NADPH. You have high estrone. and low dht. Since estrone is converted into estradiol by NADPH. And testosterone is created and converted to DHT by NADPH.

This is one case of PFS. Low testosterone normal estradiol, high estrone. low or normal DHT.


In another case, we have high normal testosterone, high normal dht, and probably high estradiol.


So I have no idea which case you are Tubz. You need to do some bloods.


If you took superdrol, and it does not aromatize. It should increase NADPH oxidase. And it does since it lowers LH. How would you have high estrogen.

WE have 2 cases of people here
WE have a group with high DHT high estradiol. high testosterone .yes that group might benefit from going on steroid cycle. Will it fix them? Not exactly. Since from one deficiency , now you create 2 . they were missing FAD. now you are trying for them to be missing NADPH also. So FAD vs NADPH balance balances. but both are low.

This is the same as accuntane and finasteride. If you give fin for one body chemistry. you will unbalance FAD and NADPH, so now you can give accutane to that person, and FAD and NADPH will be even. But BOTH LOW.


Same with Accutane people. they have crazy acne, which is def in fat metabolism. utilization.. They take accutane. Boom , they get rid of NADPH. This turns off all sugar metabolism. Now they have to run on FAD. Boom acne goes away, but hairloss and other stuff HELLO.



Same as with steroids. You take DHT and you create , the deficiency in one vitamin. Now most people go and look for some stupid hormones and other stuff to balance it. and they create the def in another nutrient and now they are happy they fixed a problem, but they got 3 more problems.


I dont think it is about sensitivities or receptors here. I think it is about chemical balance. All the receptors are nothing but minerals. vitamins interactions.

Tw cases: Low on testo and dht, high in prog and androstendione. Low FSH, LH.
What does that mean generally re treatment options? I havent understood that yet.