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expendable

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Jaxx post_id=2628 time=1508917233 user_id=61 said:
Do you have the feeling the progress sticked? (Even if you arent on 100%)

Yeah! And thank goodness for that :lol:

One thing I have though is I'm tired. Like, fatigued. Not as much during the day, but it's there. The real problem is in the mornings. I literally can't get out of bed without 11 hours of sleep. Not sure what's going on. It was like this before the ella I think, but now it's a little bit worse.
 

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Thats actually one of the few things licorice root helped me with. Dont think you should try it too soon though
 

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I guess I should log this. About 10 days ago I started on a trial of zinc, copper, magnesium, boron, licorice root. Took the licorice root for only 2 days, then took a 2 day break from everything after 3 more days. Since then, I've been taking

morning(ish) : copper 2mg, potassium 99mg, boron ~4mg, inositol ~4g, magnesium 250mg, aspirin 650mg
evening(ish) : zinc 25mg, potassium 99mg, magnesium 250mg, aspirin 650mg

regularly. I'm still fine-tuning the measurements for the most part. Took out the licorice root and replaced with inositol. Will add in manganese when I get my hands on it. Let's see what happens.

Oh yeah, and I feel better, lol. Always better, little by little.
 

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Added fish oil and a multivit. Increased potassium intake to ~3000mg as per gbold's tentative protocol (NaCl + KCl, high potassium foods). Copper to 4mg. Added manganese too. Also 900mg licorice root today and probably tmrw as well. Where is my goddamn RU? Probably crazy, but I am considering taking 5mg/day for 3 days like Fin was mentioning once it gets here. Literally what could happen. My dick will fall off? :lol:
 

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Hey [mention]expendable[/mention]

I'm on the similar mineral protocol but haven't added manganese yet... I have some morning wood but it's not truly hard... I see you mentioned in another yours improved...

What's your manganese dosage and timing?

I take just about what you list, except no aspirin ... if manganese or licorice root was what you feel triggered your improved MW, let me know please
 

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joekool post_id=4406 time=1510921322 user_id=75 said:
Hey @expendable

I'm on the similar mineral protocol but haven't added manganese yet... I have some morning wood but it's not truly hard... I see you mentioned in another yours improved...

What's your manganese dosage and timing?

I take just about what you list, except no aspirin ... if manganese or licorice root was what you feel triggered your improved MW, let me know please

manganese 8mg with the evening stack. I think the licorice root really helps though. Gbold originally mentioned that as a way to fix the mineral imbalances in the PFS thread.
 

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[mention]expendable[/mention] did you do a hair mineral test before doing this protocol? Are you going to use ru 486 as well?
 

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aztec post_id=4427 time=1510931646 user_id=52 said:
@expendable did you do a hair mineral test before doing this protocol? Are you going to use ru 486 as well?

Nope never did any tests. I want to at some point. I might use ru but it's taking forever to actually get here.
 

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[mention]expendable[/mention] gotcha, it would be a good idea. Did you pick up your mineral stash from Vitamin Shoppe or online?
 

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aztec post_id=4435 time=1510933341 user_id=52 said:
@expendable gotcha, it would be a good idea. Did you pick up your mineral stash from Vitamin Shoppe or online?

both actually... I just get the stuff I can find here and the stuff I can't find online
 

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[mention]expendable[/mention] good to know. How is your libido and morning wood? Still feeling good?
 

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aztec post_id=4439 time=1510933630 user_id=52 said:
[mention]expendable[/mention] good to know. How is your libido and morning wood? Still feeling good?

aye. I Just
Want
More
Sensitivity
Fuck!
 

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expendable post_id=4440 time=1510933678 user_id=53 said:
aztec post_id=4439 time=1510933630 user_id=52 said:
@expendable good to know. How is your libido and morning wood? Still feeling good?

aye. I Just
Want
More
Sensitivity
Fuck!
Just don’t become too sensitive or else you will be shooting off rounds even when your boxers rub against you :lol:
 

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Guest post_id=4521 time=1510990591 said:

Yes.

Symptoms still basically the same... Unfortunately. Sensitivity a little better today from the licorice root. Sadly I feel exhausted, like completely exhausted. I go to bed exhausted and I wake up 12 hours later still exhausted. I don't understand it. (At least it usually passes a while after waking up).
 

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expendable post_id=4624 time=1511126159 user_id=53 said:
I think I'll just take off from everything for a few days maybe.

Clean since then. Erections great, morning wood great, I dream, I'm not tired, I have great libido, in fact my only remaining issues are the semen quality and the feeling during sex...

I would go so far as to say that the reason my jizz is all shitty is because the muscles aren't contracting enough to force the right stuff out. When I did my licorice root experiment, the ejaculate was basically normal, and the contractions during orgasm felt way, way, way stronger and deeper. That's literally my last remaining symptom. The muscles there just don't react the way they should, like normally if you have a wank you feel these sort of spasms in your dick and pelvic floor... area, and those are what feel good, and when you orgasm those muscles push the ejaculate out. It's almost like it's being muted. What the hell could cause that, and only that, to be muted, while EVERY other part of the sexual cycle is more-or-less intact?

???? Do I need to see a sex specialist
 

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expendable post_id=5160 time=1511756805 user_id=53 said:
expendable post_id=4624 time=1511126159 user_id=53 said:
I think I'll just take off from everything for a few days maybe.

Clean since then. Erections great, morning wood great, I dream, I'm not tired, I have great libido, in fact my only remaining issues are the semen quality and the feeling during sex...

I would go so far as to say that the reason my jizz is all shitty is because the muscles aren't contracting enough to force the right stuff out. When I did my licorice root experiment, the ejaculate was basically normal, and the contractions during orgasm felt way, way, way stronger and deeper. That's literally my last remaining symptom. The muscles there just don't react the way they should, like normally if you have a wank you feel these sort of spasms in your dick and pelvic floor... area, and those are what feel good, and when you orgasm those muscles push the ejaculate out. It's almost like it's being muted. What the hell could cause that, and only that, to be muted, while EVERY other part of the sexual cycle is more-or-less intact?

???? Do I need to see a sex specialist

I think that I know what your talking about. Tell me something, can you get an erection by only thinking about sex? If yes, when you contract your pelvic floor muscles to stimulate the erection, do you feel that "horny feeling"?
 

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expendable post_id=5160 time=1511756805 user_id=53 said:
expendable post_id=4624 time=1511126159 user_id=53 said:
I think I'll just take off from everything for a few days maybe.

Clean since then. Erections great, morning wood great, I dream, I'm not tired, I have great libido, in fact my only remaining issues are the semen quality and the feeling during sex...

I would go so far as to say that the reason my jizz is all shitty is because the muscles aren't contracting enough to force the right stuff out. When I did my licorice root experiment, the ejaculate was basically normal, and the contractions during orgasm felt way, way, way stronger and deeper. That's literally my last remaining symptom. The muscles there just don't react the way they should, like normally if you have a wank you feel these sort of spasms in your dick and pelvic floor... area, and those are what feel good, and when you orgasm those muscles push the ejaculate out. It's almost like it's being muted. What the hell could cause that, and only that, to be muted, while EVERY other part of the sexual cycle is more-or-less intact?

???? Do I need to see a sex specialist

If that's your only problem left..why not to wait a bit to see if the body will heal it alone?
As Melcangi's study shows, it is about periphery nervous system and pudendal nerve.

""We have presented the first objective evidence in PFS patients
of peripheral neuropathy of the pudendal nerve which is critical for
normal neurogenic control of erection. PN_SEP abnormalities were
found in 25% of PFS patients, in spite of normal neurological examination
and no prior history of neurological disease.""
 

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wuf post_id=5167 time=1511776433 user_id=65 said:
""We have presented the first objective evidence in PFS patients
of peripheral neuropathy of the pudendal nerve which is critical for
normal neurogenic control of erection. PN_SEP abnormalities were
found in 25% of PFS patients, in spite of normal neurological examination
and no prior history of neurological disease.""

This is the thing that had me worried the most after reading that study. [mention]mattyb[/mention] [mention]gbolduev[/mention] is there a possible explanation for this that doesn't involve actual nerve damage?