Experimental Hair Loss Options

[JonnyCraig]

To be quite honest. I'm not sure anymore if I am shedding more or less, lately it seems like I'm shedding more.

I am contemplating going back on Progesterone (I was doing quite well on it I think, before I added in Thyroid and started shedding+).

Thing is, I am confused by gbold's views on taking supplemental progesterone in regards to hairloss.

I believe he said it can beneficial for protein wasting hairloss, right? and not really AGA? BUT... he says to increase prog and keep DHT sensitive.. zinc+mang combo is best.

From what I remember he said using supplemental Progesterone, it shouldn't be too helpful for hairloss.

Guess I'll go back and try to piece what he said together again...

EDIT: OK... read quite a bit... seems like it's not an option (progesterone) and zinc+mang is the way to go.

Can someone tell me what gbold is relating to when saying this (is it related to hairloss???):

"Dont forget dostinex, without it. Your estrogen receptors won't get upregulated and that will not make your CNS turn up DHT receptors." <--- so we should add dosintex (or another prolactin inhibitor) for what exactly? i think he was talking about zinc+mang but not sure..

 

[hairloser]

Does manganese + zinc reduce beard growth or something? That would seem like a result of lowered dht

 

[Jamie]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

[mention]brix[/mention], did you do a hair test? What levels of Mg, Ca, Cu,Zn did you have?

 

[brix]

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

@brix, did you do a hair test? What levels of Mg, Ca, Cu,Zn did you have?

never did a hair test but based on the descriptions, I assumed I was a fast oxidizer as I did not respond well to zinc/manganese combo.

 

[brix]

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

Hi brix.

Are you still using prolactin inhibitors as well?

FYI:

I have been using 4mg copper for past 2 weeks or so, and just re-added in 10mg manganese/22mg zinc, taken MORNING, and the copper before bedtime.

Yeah, I am trying gbolds clomid protocl which calls for .25mg cabergoline every 4 days. Not sure if that has any effect whatsoever.

 

[Noodle]

I tried the Polysorbate 80 for a few weeks with high hopes but instead noticed only a hefty increase in shedding. Also my hair was constantly stripped of natural oils so the benefit of no-poo for hair texture was abated. There's a chance that the shedding was in fact a sign of P80 working and those were all hairs that would grow back stronger, but as the shed continued daily for 3 weeks I eventually gave up. Now I'm off and shedding is back down. I also read that it's estrogenic when applied topically (there's a study on rats for this), but the P80 crew over at RPF shot down any slander against this magic (snake?) oil.

I think I know why some people experience hair shedding from Polys. 80.

Maybe with getting out the junk in the hair follicles that block those and calcify those, the old hairs get loose. And if they are loose, they shed easily. But after that with cleared up follicles, there will be thicker hair growth.

The same principe is while showering warm and cold.

Warm water opens the pores / follicles (dont know the precise name of that)
Cold water closes them.

Try to shower cold for about 10-15 seconds, you will shed way less hair after while brushing.

Warm water is good for cleaning though.

 

[JDreamer]

I'm still using P80.

Shedding basically remains very minimal to the point where I'm really not even looking for it anymore. Hair is still noticeably thicker, painful scalp acne remains gone, but still no regrowth yet. Still curious how this stuff has managed to make my hair a lot straighter.

 

[Rez]

I'm not sure why, but eating avocado seems to reduce shed for me a lot.

My hair still continues to thin though. It seems as if there's no miniaturization for me. Hairs fall and thin spots form along my hairline and the hair there never grows back..

I'm starting to lose hope. I don't understand how it can be so hard to grow hair. My hair used to be incredibly thick..

Has gbold commented on what causes frontal thinning? My hair loss is almost exactly like Jude Law's.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I am switching to a diet similar to Gbold...

Very high seafood content (shrimps, oysters, mussels, etc) also Veggies... low carb and pretty much NO wheat.

No more OJ.. I am buying V8 juice now instead. Will stop cheese, dairy, too. Basically I am fully on the Gbold train.

I am currently using 4mg copper at night, and then 22mg zinc, 10mg manganese in the day.

Can Gbold post an updated mineral protocol for hair loss? I know he is very involved with his PFS mineral protocol and that makes sense as that is a serious and debilitating issue; however I'm sure many would also greatly appreciate a hairloss mineral protocol from him.

My apologies if his hairloss mineral protocol is simply the manganese/zinc.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

Hi brix.

Are you still using prolactin inhibitors as well?

FYI:

I have been using 4mg copper for past 2 weeks or so, and just re-added in 10mg manganese/22mg zinc, taken MORNING, and the copper before bedtime.

Yeah, I am trying gbolds clomid protocl which calls for .25mg cabergoline every 4 days. Not sure if that has any effect whatsoever.

brix,

Isn't gbold's clomid protocol to recover from PFS, and not specifically for hairloss? or is it for hairloss, too????

As far as I know, that is a very short-term protocol to recover from PFS, and after clomid is dropped, zinc is started up as a crucial element in the protocol.

 

[brix]

Hi brix.

Are you still using prolactin inhibitors as well?

FYI:

I have been using 4mg copper for past 2 weeks or so, and just re-added in 10mg manganese/22mg zinc, taken MORNING, and the copper before bedtime.

Yeah, I am trying gbolds clomid protocl which calls for .25mg cabergoline every 4 days. Not sure if that has any effect whatsoever.

brix,

Isn't gbold's clomid protocol to recover from PFS, and not specifically for hairloss? or is it for hairloss, too????

As far as I know, that is a very short-term protocol to recover from PFS, and after clomid is dropped, zinc is started up as a crucial element in the protocol.

Yes, the clomid protocol is for PFS, which I have had for a couple of years now. I just decided to cut the protocol short as I have seen no progress. Hopefully the snap back will help a little. I did not see any increase in hair fall from clomid at all either, which is a good thing.

 

[hairloser]

Did your hair loss stop after geting PFS?

 

[brix]

Did your hair loss stop after geting PFS?

Nope. It was really bad until recently.
When I started losing hair, I was 20 years old and would lose like 40 hairs in the shower.
On fin, dropped to 5.
It picked up to like 15 in the shower and my pillow covered in it every morning.

Now I lose like 3 in the shower and not sure about the pillow but I do not notice much in my beanie or hats.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Does manganese + zinc reduce beard growth or something? That would seem like a result of lowered dht

Who ever said this?

 

[hairloser]

Does manganese + zinc reduce beard growth or something? That would seem like a result of lowered dht

Who ever said this?

I just came to conclusion like that. Why wouldn't that be true? People with high DHT has more body hair. Also, people who take fin often claim of reduced body hair growth. So if manganse + zinc indeed reduces DHT, why it wouldn't reduce body hair as a result?

 

[Aleksandr]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] you mentioned 30-20mg zinc and 10mg manganese

I guess the manganese corresponds to dht/testosterone and the zinc corresponds to progesterone. If you feel like too low libido on 30mg zinc should you lower it to 25 or 20 to get libido back?

 

[hairloser]

@gbolduev you mentioned 30-20mg zinc and 10mg manganese

I guess the manganese corresponds to dht/testosterone and the zinc corresponds to progesterone. If you feel like too low libido on 30mg zinc should you lower it to 25 or 20 to get libido back?

What? Since when zinc reduces libido? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800928/

 

[Aleksandr]

@gbolduev you mentioned 30-20mg zinc and 10mg manganese

I guess the manganese corresponds to dht/testosterone and the zinc corresponds to progesterone. If you feel like too low libido on 30mg zinc should you lower it to 25 or 20 to get libido back?

What? Since when zinc reduces libido? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800928/

Gbold has talked about alopecia hair loss being a hormonal balance problem. To oppose estrogen we need to use progesterone or DHT. If too much dht is used, alopecia. If too much progesterone is used, castration. In this case I believe the mineral zinc relates to progesterone...

 

[hairloser]

@gbolduev you mentioned 30-20mg zinc and 10mg manganese

I guess the manganese corresponds to dht/testosterone and the zinc corresponds to progesterone. If you feel like too low libido on 30mg zinc should you lower it to 25 or 20 to get libido back?

What? Since when zinc reduces libido? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800928/

Gbold has talked about alopecia hair loss being a hormonal balance problem. To oppose estrogen we need to use progesterone or DHT. If too much dht is used, alopecia. If too much progesterone is used, castration. In this case I believe the mineral zinc relates to progesterone...

It is proven that zinc raises testosterone which is related to good libido. I'm quite certain your libido isues ( due to zinc ) are mental

 

[Jaxx]

Zinc also raises progesterone, so saying it is a mental issue is jumping the gun a bit.