The study you provided shows more of a biphasic repsonse, with 10 mg group actually having lower index of libido,lower number of mounts ,intromissions and other parameters compared to control and 5 mg group, so extra zinc clearly can decrease libido.hairloser post_id=4591 time=1511083136 user_id=1385 said:
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For libido, you need iron copper zinc manganese at least.
Zinc alone lower copper and makes iron and manganese lost and thus libido decreases . Zinc increases 3 beta hds.
Cholesterol - to Pregnenolone= IRON.
Pregnenolone to progesterone= zinc
progesterone to cortisol= IRON
pregnenolone to DHEA= copper
DHEA to testerone = zinc
prolactin= manganese
testosterone to estrogen= copper
testosterone- dht - iron
You see if you are missing any of these, YOu will have lower libido.
Zinc alone lower copper and makes iron and manganese lost and thus libido decreases . Zinc increases 3 beta hds.
Cholesterol - to Pregnenolone= IRON.
Pregnenolone to progesterone= zinc
progesterone to cortisol= IRON
pregnenolone to DHEA= copper
DHEA to testerone = zinc
prolactin= manganese
testosterone to estrogen= copper
testosterone- dht - iron
You see if you are missing any of these, YOu will have lower libido.
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gbolduev post_id=4611 time=1511103238 user_id=90 said:
Is it necessary to ever supplement with iron at all? Is there any particular state or illness that would require that or do we get enough iron from food? If so, how much iron is sufficient per day?
Does anyone know how castor oil(ricinoleic acid) works? I took it orally for a long time as it made my hair way healthier and thicker. As copper, magnesium, calcium combo worked very well i decided to drop that oil. After few days my hair looked worse(but still no shedding) and I became so tired/anemic when I wake up i feel like I didn't sleep all night and I feel so shitty all day. I hope I didn't screw up anything in my body. I am a fast oxidizer with diffuse thinning, there are my lab results: https://prnt.sc/h7cbzn
But amounts of sodium and potassium may not be reliable as I am almost sure that they washed hair before testing.
Other amounts of minerals looks quite weird as I am manganese, Iron deficient and have sky high zinc.
I don't know what to do now, maybe that ricinoleic acid mimic some mineral I am deficient and thus not taking it makes me worse
But amounts of sodium and potassium may not be reliable as I am almost sure that they washed hair before testing.
Other amounts of minerals looks quite weird as I am manganese, Iron deficient and have sky high zinc.
I don't know what to do now, maybe that ricinoleic acid mimic some mineral I am deficient and thus not taking it makes me worse
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hairloser post_id=4588 time=1511074758 user_id=1385 said:
Who said manganese+zinc reduces DHT? lol
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Jamie post_id=4623 time=1511126059 user_id=143 said:
Castor Oil taken internally reduces Testosterone, just so you're aware. Who knows what else it does.
How much were you taking?
JonnyCraig post_id=4626 time=1511127732 user_id=71 said:
Finasteride in this case acts as progesterone. but you don’t need it, you need to lower copper. this will lower your DHT, so you won't have hairloss and it will not increase progesterone to much since manganese will oppose your zinc in raising progesterone.
From page two in this thread, Gbol's quote. Unless I dont understand english at all
gbolduev post_id=4611 time=1511103238 user_id=90 said:
[mention]gbolduev[/mention] ok, so if a person got lots of health issues/symptoms, who does not have ur understanding on how the body works and does not have any tests... should this person's best bet to regain balance would be to take a multi-vitamineral complex(like thorne extra) for a few months and let the body take what it needs from it to balance itself and than back off from the multi?
i mean u got incredible knowledge but the average person can't grasp it/understand it, would the strategy balance a person in a few months?
Legna88 post_id=4696 time=1511201413 user_id=1373 said:
Was it so easy that forum wouldn't exist. I am afraid body does not work the way that it takes 'only' what it needs. For example multi vitamins work horribly on me as there are certain B vitamins, vit C etc.. and that increase fast oxidation rate even more.
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I don't know anymore.
I am shedding quite a bit (currently on 4mg copper - 22mg zinc/10mg manganese).
Unsure what to really drop here.
Contemplating going back on progesterone to see how the shedding goes on that.
I am shedding quite a bit (currently on 4mg copper - 22mg zinc/10mg manganese).
Unsure what to really drop here.
Contemplating going back on progesterone to see how the shedding goes on that.
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JonnyCraig post_id=4738 time=1511244303 user_id=71 said:
Why are you taking copper and zinc and manganese? You can never never take copper alone. it has to always be taken with magnesium and potassium.
Plus why are you taking copper anyway. are you a fast oxidizer?
Most people need zinc and manganese, and it can make you feel bad at first. like for the first week
Do you have a hairtest. or blood work?
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Jamie post_id=4740 time=1511252945 user_id=143 said:
Copper should be taken only if your calcium in hair is low. Fast or not fast, if your calcium is not low. Copper should not be taken
For most people copper is the reason for the hairloss. And when they start taking zinc and manganese, their shedding or whatever can increase as copper comes out in the blood stream for a while. I see people are trying to go by symptoms here.
It wont work. If you are slow oxidizer , zinc and manganese will stop the hairloss
PLus people should be aware that iron deficiency is the reason also for hairloss.
SO b2 with iron for some people can stop it
If someone is helped by progesterone against hairloss, that means that someone has low potassium. since progesterone is retaining potassium. If you overtake progesterone , you will also have hairloss, since high potassium will put pressure on iron
SO you will never win. Oxidation rate should be balanced nto to have hairloss
For most people zinc and manganese can do it. for some iron b2, for some copper and magnesium and potassium
But you need to get tested. and even better just go on one of those programs like ARL, trace etc
because wiht minerals if you dontknow what you are doing, you will be going back and forth.
ANd with hormones the same. As potassium goes up, progesterone levels in the body will need to go down. But you are still taking it. This causes problems including hairloss. etc,
If you look at some people who took zinc and manganese here, you will see, what they get. First their hairloss stops. second, they get the libido. with erections much improved.
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Guys, you should understand, that I am against mineral supplements. I am pro chelation. Zeolites are really good.
I am pro fasting. and eating healthy diet, that I outlined.
Mineral balancing is really complicated and if done correctly, it wont make you feel good. It ill make you feel bad, since all our imbalances are not from deficiencies of minerals, they are from toxicities.
SO it is possible to fix things using minerals, but minerals in this case are used only as chelators. and provokers.
I am pro fasting. and eating healthy diet, that I outlined.
Mineral balancing is really complicated and if done correctly, it wont make you feel good. It ill make you feel bad, since all our imbalances are not from deficiencies of minerals, they are from toxicities.
SO it is possible to fix things using minerals, but minerals in this case are used only as chelators. and provokers.
gbolduev post_id=4754 time=1511264632 user_id=90 said:
in one of ur older posts u said we need aminoacids and NOT minerals, to create transport proteins(metallothioenine, glutathione, ferritin, ceruloplasmin etc.) in order to chelate and balance heavy metals and minerals...
So we should take a full spectrum free form essential aminoacid supplement rather than minerals to get balanced? Or we should just take tzar vodka which will break down high protein foods into aminoacids?
