Experimental Hair Loss Options

[TubZy]

Thanks. I will try it orally and see how it goes.

My hair is shedding quite a lot right now.

On Zinc 22mg/Manganese 10mg daily.

Considering hopping on Progesterone again and seeing how it goes.

Right now I am just losing a lot of hair... I can shower, lose a lot of hair, then after shower, brush and brush and it keeps coming.. something is not right.

Try doubling the dose of zinc and mang, wonder if it isn't enough?

 

[Rez]

What do you guys think of the new research coming out of Yonsei University in South Korea? They're claiming that it's the end of balding. Many have claimed that before, but this is supposed to be it.

https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X17315555

Was hoping to get some of your opinions on it.

 

[tfcjesse]

What do you guys think of the new research coming out of Yonsei University in South Korea? They're claiming that it's the end of balding. Many have claimed that before, but this is supposed to be it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xt6XRa2Hdu1RX-65ZeKFcEfsxQ4ajxNh/view

Was hoping to get some of your opinions on it.

I saw that, looks very promising. Hoping someone with more knowledge can read into it. I sent it to Travis

Btw, the link you posted is just the study on wound healing, which is the precursor study to the one involving hair growth (the one you posted doesn't even talk about hair)

https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X17315555

There's the correct study

 

[Rez]

What do you guys think of the new research coming out of Yonsei University in South Korea? They're claiming that it's the end of balding. Many have claimed that before, but this is supposed to be it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xt6XRa2Hdu1RX-65ZeKFcEfsxQ4ajxNh/view

Was hoping to get some of your opinions on it.

I saw that, looks very promising. Hoping someone with more knowledge can read into it. I sent it to Travis

Btw, the link you posted is just the study on wound healing, which is the precursor study to the one involving hair growth (the one you posted doesn't even talk about hair)

https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X17315555

There's the correct study

Oh, whoops. Thanks for fixing that for me.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Thanks. I will try it orally and see how it goes.

My hair is shedding quite a lot right now.

On Zinc 22mg/Manganese 10mg daily.

Considering hopping on Progesterone again and seeing how it goes.

Right now I am just losing a lot of hair... I can shower, lose a lot of hair, then after shower, brush and brush and it keeps coming.. something is not right.

Try doubling the dose of zinc and mang, wonder if it isn't enough?

I caved..

Last night before bed. 100mg of health natural progestone put into a capsule, swallowed (I know, it's a high dosage) and 12mg extra progesterone put on tongue.

On the positive side, felt amazing. All my worries just melted away, lol, and slept great. Even wokeup just now without needing to sleep in extra. It's a workday and I feel quite carefree and relaxed compared to a work morning off prog. (not at work yet, just wokeup).

On the flipside, my face is crystal clear, let's see if this brings on acne as it has before on and off at times.

Tubzy, as you know, I had a transplant, so I can't afford to mess around with this stuff too much.

BTW, interesting observation, I'm 99% certain my beard was growing much faster off Progesterone VS on Progesterone, but now since I am back on, it will be easier to track for certain, and I will advise here.

Gbold says Progesterone will tank Testosterone + DHT, and will stop hair loss if it's from AGA but NOT from protein wasting. So be it... Although Gbold, if there are any caveats to this, please let me know

I am actually thinking of still using zinc + manganese while on the progesterone, any benefit to this or would it be pointless?

 

[mattyb]

I caved..

Last night before bed. 100mg of health natural progestone put into a capsule, swallowed (I know, it's a high dosage) and 12mg extra progesterone put on tongue.

On the positive side, felt amazing. All my worries just melted away, lol, and slept great. Even wokeup just now without needing to sleep in extra. It's a workday and I feel quite carefree and relaxed compared to a work morning off prog. (not at work yet, just wokeup).

On the flipside, my face is crystal clear, let's see if this brings on acne as it has before on and off at times.

Tubzy, as you know, I had a transplant, so I can't afford to mess around with this stuff too much.

BTW, interesting observation, I'm 99% certain my beard was growing much faster off Progesterone VS on Progesterone, but now since I am back on, it will be easier to track for certain, and I will advise here.

Gbold says Progesterone will tank Testosterone + DHT, and will stop hair loss if it's from AGA but NOT from protein wasting. So be it... Although Gbold, if there are any caveats to this, please let me know

I am actually thinking of still using zinc + manganese while on the progesterone, any benefit to this or would it be pointless?

What the hell man? No one here has ever said to take progesterone. It will castrate you, why the hell are you taking this??

FFS people, look before you leap. We have people asking about taking RU while fasting and doing liver cleanses and now a guy taking progesterone just like everyone over there on Ray Peat Forum (hint: they're all still bald there too).

 

[JonnyCraig]

I caved..

Last night before bed. 100mg of health natural progestone put into a capsule, swallowed (I know, it's a high dosage) and 12mg extra progesterone put on tongue.

On the positive side, felt amazing. All my worries just melted away, lol, and slept great. Even wokeup just now without needing to sleep in extra. It's a workday and I feel quite carefree and relaxed compared to a work morning off prog. (not at work yet, just wokeup).

On the flipside, my face is crystal clear, let's see if this brings on acne as it has before on and off at times.

Tubzy, as you know, I had a transplant, so I can't afford to mess around with this stuff too much.

BTW, interesting observation, I'm 99% certain my beard was growing much faster off Progesterone VS on Progesterone, but now since I am back on, it will be easier to track for certain, and I will advise here.

Gbold says Progesterone will tank Testosterone + DHT, and will stop hair loss if it's from AGA but NOT from protein wasting. So be it... Although Gbold, if there are any caveats to this, please let me know

I am actually thinking of still using zinc + manganese while on the progesterone, any benefit to this or would it be pointless?

What the hell man? No one here has ever said to take progesterone. It will castrate you, why the hell are you taking this??

FFS people, look before you leap. We have people asking about taking RU while fasting and doing liver cleanses and now a guy taking progesterone just like everyone over there on Ray Peat Forum (hint: they're all still bald there too).

I was on Progesterone for 7 months or so straight. I only stopped recently, like a month+ ago.

It didn't castrate me.

Gbold said, if your hairloss is from AGA, Progesterone should help. It will tank Testosterone+DHT, which isn't ideal but, if it works it works.

I don't need to regrow anything, I am not bald, I only need to hold on to what I have for as long as possible.

Let's not make this a cult as well where it's 'Here, we don't use XYZ, we only use ABC'.

If it helps my hair (and I believe it was, prior to stopping) with no perceivable side-effects, what's the harm in it?

I will report back anything special/oddities I notice, positive or negative.

 

[mattyb]

You realize that all the guys who are here for PFS are screwed because they were taking a progestin in finasteride right? This isn't a cult thing, I don't give a damn what other people here have said - it's just flat out not a good idea for most men to take progesterone, especially indefinitely.

I'm happy to hear you haven't got any side effects in 7 months of using progesterone, but it doesn't mean you aren't putting yourself at risk of sexual side effects in the future. This seems especially silly if you still have your hair too.

You are welcome to do whatever you want to your own body. I'm also allowed to say that I think it's an awful idea.

 

[JonnyCraig]

You realize that all the guys who are here for PFS are screwed because they were taking a progestin in finasteride right? This isn't a cult thing, I don't give a damn what other people here have said - it's just flat out not a good idea for most men to take progesterone, especially indefinitely.

I'm happy to hear you haven't got any side effects in 7 months of using progesterone, but it doesn't mean you aren't putting yourself at risk of sexual side effects in the future. This seems especially silly if you still have your hair too.

You are welcome to do whatever you want to your own body. I'm also allowed to say that I think it's an awful idea.

I welcome all feedback, positive or negative. I only ask that I am not banned/censored for sharing mine.

I am not 100% sold on the idea, however it has never really affected me negatively, and I do feel quite good at the moment (more relaxed than usual).

I had a hair transplant to recover hairline.

I understand finasteride is synthesized using Progesterone as the main building block, that said, I don't think it works in the exact same way.

For example.. Prog increases allopreg, while finasteride tanks it.

 

[mattyb]

I welcome all feedback, positive or negative. I only ask that I am not banned/censored for sharing mine.

I am not 100% sold on the idea, however it has never really affected me negatively, and I do feel quite good at the moment (more relaxed than usual).

I had a hair transplant to recover hairline.

I understand finasteride is synthesized using Progesterone as the main building block, that said, I don't think it works in the exact same way.

For example.. Prog increases allopreg, while finasteride tanks it.

Don't worry, no one here will ever ban you for having an opinion. We aren't RPF :lol:

 

[JonnyCraig]

I welcome all feedback, positive or negative. I only ask that I am not banned/censored for sharing mine.

I am not 100% sold on the idea, however it has never really affected me negatively, and I do feel quite good at the moment (more relaxed than usual).

I had a hair transplant to recover hairline.

I understand finasteride is synthesized using Progesterone as the main building block, that said, I don't think it works in the exact same way.

For example.. Prog increases allopreg, while finasteride tanks it.

Don't worry, no one here will ever ban you for having an opinion. We aren't RPF :lol:

Touché

 

[hairloser]

So my question is still the same, should manganese + zinc reduce body hair growth? In page 2 of this thread Gbol states that zinc + manganese will reduce DHT ( well it's his quote ). So shouldn't we see like less body hair growth? I'm 21 year old, balding and i'm super hairy, i have to shave everyday, so if that was the case I would notice it quite soon, but so far i haven't had any effects form 50mg zinc + 12 mg manganese. Maybe i should double the dose of manganese or something?

 

[JonnyCraig]

So my question is still the same, should manganese + zinc reduce body hair growth? In page 2 of this thread Gbol states that zinc + manganese will reduce DHY ( well it's his quote ). So shouldn't we see like less body hair growth? I'm 21 year old, balding and i'm super hairy, i have to shave everyday, so if that was the case I would notice it quite soon, but so far i haven't had any effects form 50mg zinc + 12 mg manganese. Maybe i should double the dose of manganese or something?

I noticed increased beard growth (grows in faster) on zinc+manganese.

On progesterone, I noticed SLOWER beard growth, for sure.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I am peeing A LOT, since taking progesterone last night. Today I have had to pee a lot and I'm not even drinking that much.

 

[mattyb]

I am peeing A LOT, since taking progesterone last night. Today I have had to pee a lot and I'm not even drinking that much.

That's because progesterone screws with mineral balance, which can cause excessive urination. Progesterone modulates renal function in order to retain potassium.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I am peeing A LOT, since taking progesterone last night. Today I have had to pee a lot and I'm not even drinking that much.

That's because progesterone screws with mineral balance, which can cause excessive urination. Progesterone modulates renal function in order to retain potassium.

Interesting!

Which minerals should I definitely keep topped up while on Progesterone?

 

[mattyb]

Interesting!

Which minerals should I definitely keep topped up while on Progesterone?

Sodium.

But frequent urination is a bad sign and I don't think you should be taking it at all, so....

 

[JonnyCraig]

Interesting!

Which minerals should I definitely keep topped up while on Progesterone?

Sodium.

But frequent urination is a bad sign and I don't think you should be taking it at all, so....

That's dude.

Now I remember, craving salty things on Prog.. lol. Also heard that before too, much appreciated.

Let's see how this experiment goes...

 

[hairloser]

Interesting!

Which minerals should I definitely keep topped up while on Progesterone?

Sodium.

But frequent urination is a bad sign and I don't think you should be taking it at all, so....

That's dude.

Now I remember, craving salty things on Prog.. lol. Also heard that before too, much appreciated.

Let's see how this experiment goes...

I know this is experimental thread, but have you ever tried FDA drugs such as minox or fina? I'm thinking about following Dhurat study and just going for needling + minox to give me a year or two ( just afraid for my young skin ). I've been trying topical taurine, caffeine ( there is a study claiming that topical caffeine is just as effective as 5% minoxidill lol... ), MSM with no results... Also, there is some product evolis from australia ( with some studies done by sellers, so not sure if you can trust them ), they also have a nice deal until end of november, but I probably should stop wasting money lol.

Maybe I should tackle this from Androgen receptor angle. There is some user duterino ( or whatever his name ) who claims that minox + RU kept his hair for 10 years. In HLT forum some people are testing way stronger alternative of RU called Darolutamide. So that's something to keep an eye on.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Sodium.

But frequent urination is a bad sign and I don't think you should be taking it at all, so....

That's dude.

Now I remember, craving salty things on Prog.. lol. Also heard that before too, much appreciated.

Let's see how this experiment goes...

I know this is experimental thread, but have you ever tried FDA drugs such as minox or fina? I'm thinking about following Dhurat study and just going for needling + minox to give me a year or two ( just afraid for my young skin ). I've been trying topical taurine, caffeine ( there is a study claiming that topical caffeine is just as effective as 5% minoxidill lol... ), MSM with no results... Also, there is some product evolis from australia ( with some studies done by sellers, so not sure if you can trust them ), they also have a nice deal until end of november, but I probably should stop wasting money lol.

Maybe I should tackle this from Androgen receptor angle. There is some user duterino ( or whatever his name ) who claims that minox + RU kept his hair for 10 years. In HLT forum some people are testing way stronger alternative of RU called Darolutamide. So that's something to keep an eye on.

I would never be "brave" enough to try minoxidil or finasteride.

Minoxidil will kill collagen so you'll ultimately look older, and isn't a permanent solution.

Finasteride, speaks for itself.

I have tried RU58841... It ruined my hairline in 3 months (I only applied on hairline), ate it away, so bad that I needed a transplant, lol. Also constant low-grade headaches all day. Initial chest pain that lasted a few days, then went away.

Overall, I do not recommend RU58841, as it only did harm to me, including killing hair.

Needling sounds interesting and is a viable thing to try, however I personally don't have the patience for it.

What's worked moderately well for me (I believe) is Progesterone.

I personally know someone who uses, and has been given Progesterone by his FATHER who is an MD, 100mg oral NATURAL progesterone softgels. it's by prescription. He uses 100mg of progesterone orally, every other day. His father did not want to give him finasteride, and told him to use Progesterone instead as it will do the same thing but much safer.

Stopped his loss dead in it's tracks and thickened up what was left.

He's been using it since 2014! He got a HT to fix the rest. Looks amazing.

This is what gave me the idea to try oral progesterone.