FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[IHateFin]

Bro, @IHateFin, KCl?

Drinking and downing all this stuff for sure will make me throw up. Pretty much liquid diet right now (because of fasting...).
I tried the MgCl2 and all else except Kcl (didn't get my pkg).

My cousin said something about not eating enough carbs, eating a banana and falling asleep so I started doing that. Otherwise, I only try and eat carbs incl. banana pre and post workout, even less now, cuz I'm cutting..... but, again, resolving this at the cost of being fatter. Fucking hell. Whatever, not fat anyways.

Cured, and fatter than ideal is fine.....................

Yes, kcl

 

[IHateFin]

After reading a lot of anecdotal experiences with KCL on this thread I'm wondering if feeling good from potassium one needs to take enough to feel like death?
When I took 7g+ in one day I felt fine other than an instant of dizziness and body temp increase... I even took 2g late at night n still slept like a baby..
I will experiment later this coming week on much higher doses and see what happens.. aiming for 12 to 15g but still debating.

 

[brix]

After reading a lot of anecdotal experiences with KCL on this thread I'm wondering if feeling good from potassium one needs to take enough to feel like death?
When I took 7g+ in one day I felt fine other than an instant of dizziness and body temp increase... I even took 2g late at night n still slept like a baby..
I will experiment later this coming week on much higher doses and see what happens.. aiming for 12 to 15g but still debating.

Do you notice any shedding?

 

[IHateFin]

Do you notice any shedding?

I already have an increased shedding and occasional burning scalp itch so I'm not sure it increases further from this... seemed to just stay consistent through out.

 

[MNK99]

Yeah Yea, @Troy, I was trying to say - refeed very slowly and depends on the length of the fast. AND: Matty B, Helen, and others know how.
If it's really long... break with veggie broth, and just a tiny meal. DO not even consider adding meat or straight sugar until later. --I had to really really make sure I stuck to a written list (kind of no choice, didn't want to get super sick again). - a small fast... maybe that egg soup everyone was talking about.

DAMN HELEN's a GILF IN HIGH RESOLUTION @Helen ;0)

 

[Troy]

After reading a lot of anecdotal experiences with KCL on this thread I'm wondering if feeling good from potassium one needs to take enough to feel like death?
When I took 7g+ in one day I felt fine other than an instant of dizziness and body temp increase... I even took 2g late at night n still slept like a baby..
I will experiment later this coming week on much higher doses and see what happens.. aiming for 12 to 15g but still debating.

Take with hydrolysed whey isolate protein shake to get all the aminos. Might only work in combination with that.

 

[Troy]

After reading a lot of anecdotal experiences with KCL on this thread I'm wondering if feeling good from potassium one needs to take enough to feel like death?
When I took 7g+ in one day I felt fine other than an instant of dizziness and body temp increase... I even took 2g late at night n still slept like a baby..
I will experiment later this coming week on much higher doses and see what happens.. aiming for 12 to 15g but still debating.

Maybe you are pretty far along in your recovery? It seems positive that you can tolerate so much.

I couldn’t even tolerate 100mg when I started.

 

[MNK99]

TO GET TO THESE QTYS of KCl, do I NEED TO STEAL IT FROM A LAB? OR buy fertilizer?

 

[JasonSky]

TO GET TO THESE QTYS of KCl, do I NEED TO STEAL IT FROM A LAB? OR buy fertilizer?

Dude. Your signature is giving me fucking aids, please shorten it. lmao

 

[IHateFin]

Maybe you are pretty far along in your recovery? It seems positive that you can tolerate so much.

I couldn’t even tolerate 100mg when I started.

that might be it. which is cool if thats the case! i would say im far along my recovery, but ill still give it another shot maybe.

 

[MNK99]

Dude. Your signature is giving me fucking aids, please shorten it. lmao

Me 2 but it's on its way out. --It's the executive summary of my signature. THE TRUE SIGNATURE IS CONFUSING.. AIDS = fake jewish / gay agenda scam. Eat/fuck an orange.

 

[Orion]

After reading a lot of anecdotal experiences with KCL on this thread I'm wondering if feeling good from potassium one needs to take enough to feel like death?
When I took 7g+ in one day I felt fine other than an instant of dizziness and body temp increase... I even took 2g late at night n still slept like a baby..
I will experiment later this coming week on much higher doses and see what happens.. aiming for 12 to 15g but still debating.

Been testing 12grams per day for a few with higher NaCl and MgCl doses with it, no weird symptoms(sleep is bad, but my sleep has always been a issue). So I think I might try couple days at 15-20grams with high B1 and B2, and some b-complex.

EDIT to clarify: 24grams KCl = 12grams elemental K without addition of what comes from diet.

 

[Aflac94]

Been testing 12grams per day for a few with higher NaCl and MgCl doses with it, no weird symptoms(sleep is bad, but my sleep has always been a issue). So I think I might try couple days at 15-20grams with high B1 and B2, and some b-complex.

EDIT to clarify: 24grams KCl = 12grams elemental K without addition of what comes from diet.

I forget that lesson in chemistry class. So we have to double the KCl to get the amount k. Is this for sure

 

[MNK99]

Dissociation, ionic compounds. Perfectly soluble in H20.
-from quora.com:
https://www.quora.com/Is-KCl-Potassium-Chloride-soluble-in-water
"Yes, both the elements dissociates from KCl to K+ and Cl- in water(H+ OH-) and forms partially K+OH- and H+Cl- in the solution." (Avishek and the rest).

 

[IHateFin]

if someone uses potassium chloride to rip zinc out of the cell in high doses should we take zinc a few days later or at all in high doses (100 to 200mg)? any say on why zinc helps some right off the bat ? is it due to dht being lowered or is it due to putting zinc back in the cell? I imagine since zinc is actually good for dht and testosterone in a normal nonPFS person that the reason it makes us feel good or bad is its effect on zinc finger, no? zinc already in the cell, add zinc = feel bad... however; rip zinc out of cell with potassium, put zinc in the body = feel good?

@Helen @HS @Troy

 

[Troy]

if someone uses potassium chloride to rip zinc out of the cell in high doses should we take zinc a few days later or at all in high doses (100 to 200mg)? any say on why zinc helps some right off the bat ? is it due to dht being lowered or is it due to putting zinc back in the cell? I imagine since zinc is actually good for dht and testosterone in a normal nonPFS person that the reason it makes us feel good or bad is its effect on zinc finger, no? zinc already in the cell, add zinc = feel bad... however; rip zinc out of cell with potassium, put zinc in the body = feel good?

@Helen @HS @Troy

I'm curious as to this to. Based on helen's previous advice, by loading potassium we increase nadph and increase the need for b2 and zinc. I'm wondering if there gets to a point where we supplement these. And if we do, do we supplement them with potassium or once we have quit the potassium. Or do we not supplement them at all and let the reserves build up natually through diet.

 

[Helen]

I'm curious as to this to. Based on helen's previous advice, by loading potassium we increase nadph and increase the need for b2 and zinc. I'm wondering if there gets to a point where we supplement these. And if we do, do we supplement them with potassium or once we have quit the potassium. Or do we not supplement them at all and let the reserves build up natually through diet.

do you have a hairtest?

 

[Helen]

if someone uses potassium chloride to rip zinc out of the cell in high doses should we take zinc a few days later or at all in high doses (100 to 200mg)? any say on why zinc helps some right off the bat ? is it due to dht being lowered or is it due to putting zinc back in the cell? I imagine since zinc is actually good for dht and testosterone in a normal nonPFS person that the reason it makes us feel good or bad is its effect on zinc finger, no? zinc already in the cell, add zinc = feel bad... however; rip zinc out of cell with potassium, put zinc in the body = feel good?

@Helen @HS @Troy

there are many cases of PFS> I have no idea why you constantly forget that. Slow oxidizer and fast oxidizer have to do completely differnent things to get recovered.

Same as with theories of upregulated and downregulated receptors. Some get cured on saw palmetto, and some get PFS from saw palmetto.

 

[Troy]

do you have a hairtest?

No I don't, sorry.

But I definitely improved on aminos plus potassium. Improvement mainly occurred once I hopped off the protocol.

 

[Troy]

there are many cases of PFS> I have no idea why you constantly forget that. Slow oxidizer and fast oxidizer have to do completely differnent things to get recovered.

Same as with theories of upregulated and downregulated receptors. Some get cured on saw palmetto, and some get PFS from saw palmetto.

Have you got any new observations as a result of your recent experience? How are you going and what are you focusing on to get better?