FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[noprop]

My worst symptom is numb glans, I have low libido too but it unsteady some times very low and few times moderate.

Thx, am really interested in all! your symptoms cause we are somehow trying to figure out what a certain path or protocol can cure and this would be very helpful for others. Your path is absolutely unknown to me, but very interesting.

 

[noprop]

Yeah you are definitely onto something here.

When we upregulate nadph by loading potassium, should this upregulation stick? Or do we need to feed zinc and b2 quickly or else nadph will go down again?

Have you got an answer on that? Thx

 

[RebelWithACause]

What if you use trenbolone with testosterone? This would work same as progesterone and testosterone right?

 

[RebelWithACause]

BTW potassium + magnesium chloride seems to help me a lot at the moment. Since consistently using the electrolytes in fairly high dosages before bed with last meal I do not get stressed out as much. I feel very strong. Muscles are full etc. I feel aggression in the gym. Good energy. Not sure if it is all the electrolytes but it is doing something. Also I do not feel as shitty the last 2 days when I take the electrolytes. First potassium + magnesium made me feel on edge.

 

[Troy]

Have you got an answer on that? Thx

No, ask @Helen

 

[IHateFin]

What if you use trenbolone with testosterone? This would work same as progesterone and testosterone right?

Maybe if you keep the tren very very low (probs lower than usual enhancing doses) and through in some masteron you might have a spicey hormone profile haha

 

[Troy]

@Helen How is your recovery going? Any further insights based on what you have experienced?

 

[Ingeno]

Potassium HCL gives me bad side effects, frequent urination during the night, bad sleep, slow breathing, weakness and last but not least, increased scalp itch.

 

[Troy]

Potassium HCL gives me bad side effects, frequent urination during the night, bad sleep, slow breathing, weakness and last but not least, increased scalp itch.

Gives me the scalp itch too

 

[MNK99]

-If and when cured:
-Should i go on clen and tren (and mdma, etc) all day, like Zyzz, then die in a sauna?

 

[Niles]

So I've been taking 1g of elemental potassium in the form of 2g KCl mixed in 1L of water and a tiny bit of salt that I drink throughout the day, and I'm feeling very good. This amount of potassium is roughly equivalent to .5L of coconut water. Improvements are in energy levels, sleep, exercise capacity, and brainfog. I'm taking this along with my TEI program.

My question is, should I just continue along with this so long as I'm feeling good, or should I push my dosages higher to as high as I can take in order to upregulate NADPH? I've experienced no androgenic effects at all this far.

 

[noprop]

-If and when cured:
-Should i go on clen and tren (and mdma, etc) all day, like Zyzz, then die in a sauna?

Ah, the sauna protocol please report back, hahaha...very good. I like that kind of humour.

 

[Helen]

So I've been taking 1g of elemental potassium in the form of 2g KCl mixed in 1L of water and a tiny bit of salt that I drink throughout the day, and I'm feeling very good. This amount of potassium is roughly equivalent to .5L of coconut water. Improvements are in energy levels, sleep, exercise capacity, and brainfog. I'm taking this along with my TEI program.

My question is, should I just continue along with this so long as I'm feeling good, or should I push my dosages higher to as high as I can take in order to upregulate NADPH? I've experienced no androgenic effects at all this far.

I took 50000 in 3 days LOL

You were in 4 lows, 4 lows is basically lactic acidosis, so you need bs and electrolytes to restore.

it is like a refeed syndrome. you give B1 then b2 then all other bs with phosphorus , this makes NADP and NADPH and FAD, and this retains your electrolytes.

Read about the refeed syndrome. some people take b1 and boom they are lacking potassium and phosphorus, and feel terrrible. If people are low on B1 , then feeding it , can end up in death. like in refeeding syndrome.

 

[brix]

I took 50000 in 3 days LOL

You were in 4 lows, 4 lows is basically lactic acidosis, so you need bs and electrolytes to restore.

it is like a refeed syndrome. you give B1 then b2 then all other bs with phosphorus , this makes NADP and NADPH and FAD, and this retains your electrolytes.

Read about the refeed syndrome. some people take b1 and boom they are lacking potassium and phosphorus, and feel terrrible. If people are low on B1 , then feeding it , can end up in death. like in refeeding syndrome.

Are you still shedding from the high potassium intake? How is your recovery going, percentage wise? I think you said 70% last time.

 

[Troy]

I took 50000 in 3 days LOL

You were in 4 lows, 4 lows is basically lactic acidosis, so you need bs and electrolytes to restore.

it is like a refeed syndrome. you give B1 then b2 then all other bs with phosphorus , this makes NADP and NADPH and FAD, and this retains your electrolytes.

Read about the refeed syndrome. some people take b1 and boom they are lacking potassium and phosphorus, and feel terrrible. If people are low on B1 , then feeding it , can end up in death. like in refeeding syndrome.

So how do we go about feeding these things without causing refeeding syndrome?

 

[MNK99]

-BY the way, which B's are needed again? Depends on which case of PFS? -B6? All B's? -Just bought B6, lost it. Can't find it, but I'll get more of the rite kind.
Edit: nice, found it, sick! Actually these are B50 calming. Probably not good for this, but tried it.

 

[Troy]

I took 50000 in 3 days LOL

You were in 4 lows, 4 lows is basically lactic acidosis, so you need bs and electrolytes to restore.

it is like a refeed syndrome. you give B1 then b2 then all other bs with phosphorus , this makes NADP and NADPH and FAD, and this retains your electrolytes.

Read about the refeed syndrome. some people take b1 and boom they are lacking potassium and phosphorus, and feel terrrible. If people are low on B1 , then feeding it , can end up in death. like in refeeding syndrome.

How do we refeed safely in pfs?

I know when i upped my potassium too much, things got a bit scary at the end. How is the best way to go about it?

 

[health]

I took 50000 in 3 days LOL

You were in 4 lows, 4 lows is basically lactic acidosis, so you need bs and electrolytes to restore.

it is like a refeed syndrome. you give B1 then b2 then all other bs with phosphorus , this makes NADP and NADPH and FAD, and this retains your electrolytes.

Read about the refeed syndrome. some people take b1 and boom they are lacking potassium and phosphorus, and feel terrrible. If people are low on B1 , then feeding it , can end up in death. like in refeeding syndrome.

I'm torn between 3 options. Having hard times being with super hot gf and not being able to get hard properly...

Being in 4 lows, would you rather:
a) fast 30-40 days and follow with TEI
b) TEI
c) supplement copper, zinc, manganese, high dose B complex (unmethylated?), betaine HCl, whey protein and see what happens

 

[Nina]

@joekool @noprop

I hope you guys realize that 100mg a week is a high dose testosterone for a regular person

regular male makes 4-7 mg a day, so in 7 days, it will be 49 mg which will put you in top range of testosterone levels

If someone is taking 100 a week, that is twice as much as the high end male.


I usually give 20=30 mg to people for TRT and this keeps their test high in blood without much conversion to estro.

100mg is the highest dosage I would say for the TRT, without much conversion into estro.

SO this will make a lot more test and DHT available to downregulate the AR receptor.


Usually people take too much testosterone and get old. I helped some guys who bodybuild and they take perfect dosage of testosterone for their metabolism.

If they take more, then all of them need progesterone right away.

So if you take test, or pinepollen, or anything of taht nature, and you have anxiety and dopamine conversion. You know immediately you are running too much test comparing to progesterone, and this will do nothing for you for bodybuilding. or anything,


Since only in balance sodium potassium ratio= the most power. If the ratio is 2 high, you will just retain water and get old. if the ratio of progesterone to test is too low you will lose too much muscle.


Most people have slighly lower ratio of sodium to potassium. this is why if they take measured test just tiny amounts like 5 a week, or 10 a week, then they will be balanced and they will never ever need PCT. or it will never cause the shut down, but will cause only good things.

Are testosterone and progesterone like adrenaline/cortisol? Like, test is more adrenaline thus sodium side and progesterone is more cortisol thus potassium side

 

[Troy]

Troy said how feed resafe PFS.
Mattyb orion log. Follow refeed protocol.
Go slow.

I wouldn’t copy my method to be honest. I don’t think I did it safely.

@Helen any advice on how we can do the potassium protocol safely?