FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[Chapman]

@Helen Could soy be an option, Ihatefin88 uses it on solvepfs, he's noted it's a weak antiandrogen.

If we felt good on soy then could we assume we have upregulated AR?

 

[MNK99]

---> I tried like 900 substances (experimentation), ppl on psyche forums - some 4000, AREA tons... --> SOLVEPFS ---> like 30,000. --> weeks ago we were told there "are no protocols".
--> Some wanted to wait all of last yr before trying anything.... none of them are close to recovered.
---> direction does not equal solution, without all the hard work.
---> theories are nice.... but ... coming from theoretical world ------> they are in effect, useless without application, and models do not fit the real world, most the time, and if they do/... they are honed and unrecognizable within one and for sure within several generations. ---> SO for us.... WE just need to work on what actually works now.
---> I use both those things in sardines and mentioned them in Feb or March. Everything I've done is mocked, by retards... but we are to trust morons? That's fucking moronic.
--> not calling you out, just general idiocy.

---> I love you @Chapman so don't take above wrong way. Still retards calling me out elswhere, I called them out too.
--> so there's little incentive to help everyone. Bc, he who does not help himself is not helped by "God". ---> Hence, why 90% will never recover, end of story.
--> they lack discipline, patience, and mental resolve. ----> Life is full of uncertainty.
----> No one told me how to do anything, I just did it when life was too hard, to not do it. ---> obesity, skin surgery, quitting like 8 addictions, pssd, effexor cold turkey, other psyche meds, knowing true psyche info vs. bs ones, pfs... fasting... and a million other things.

----> a unifying theory does not exist (much like elsewhere in phenomena and nature --- some do, but that's not what I'm referring to).

---> some get high on thinking too much.... and it leads some places, for ppl that piece it together....... ---> but, they put the work in, period. Not looking for one on and off miracle cure.

---> I'm sure of the 500-2000 morons on other forums.... SOMEONE tried some of that.... but.... who worked out like hell, ate super clean quit drinking, and stopped grasping at straws???? Guys who recovered (few).

---> ppl need discipline to refuse drinks from 20-30 yrs old.... and same with all the other stuff. If they didn't, they weren't that sick in my view, period.

----> plans, protocols, just jack from someone doing well... one of their 200 or 1000 posts.... --> copy that 6months... boom 80% better.

---> "Feeling good" doesn't mean the same thing for everyone... and it's crazy to think it does.
----> If it cures all ED, sure... may be a relevant thing. BUT diet logs are made for ppl with goals, athletes, bodybuilders, ppl who lose 100lbs, quit drugs, same with a recovery log. ---> I'm not just telling ev1 that they're a bunch of pussies... but....... I don't know.
-------> I was like many of you v scared, scared to open my mouth too.... BUT: ---------> I made a plan..... got support, executed... almost all right, some of it useless, most very useful... why??? who knows. I actually do know why for some, but that info and knowledge can easily change. -----> results. Actions speak louder than words.

I guess ppl with zero near death exp's will always be kind of weak. And ppl who are completely neurotypical and closed minded.... are not advantaged in such a thing.
It didn't come natural to me... now it's just an annoyance and seemingly a waste of time and money, but before it was a living hell don't get me wrong.
Coming from someone who would rather run down thirty floors of stairs than wait for an elevator in +40 or -40. ---> Sleep is the cousin of death.

 

[MNK99]

May be an issue to someone who crashes with 1-3 symptoms or for finetuning 95% complete recovery. In general:
----> I think serious things gotta be done,
----> It's a battle.
----->survival of the fittest, just like evolution and also: the marketplace.

--> just do what makes sense ignore idiocy on any forum and constantly changed regimens... do your own thing 12mo straight. IF and only IF it makes sense to guys doing better... --> that's what I did... and similar health to most of them... the others absent don't talk anymore.

 

[Chapman]

Fair enough matey. I respect you and what you've done, I guess I'm still hoping for the silver bullet lol.

Would still be nice to have a test we could do to find out which type we are.

 

[MNK99]

-Sorry, if seemed an asshole was gonna delete it. May shorten it or change later (like all of my log has been.. that will remain 11 or less pgs, when edited later).

-I did not do it.... would only, if it came to that. I see it as a waste of time, and energy, and most likely money --- the Dutch Test. And .. bloodtests, and ARL/TEI.
-BUT to cure... ARL/TEI. ---> I got some good msgs from Helen a few mo's ago, re: that dutch test and all thread.... ---> and PM's from others saying won't srv w/o tests. Lol.
---> in a perfect world with no responsibilities and obligations, and financial, career, and other bs concerns... I'd do it. --but for now, it just pisses me off.

The thing is "thinkers" think and "doers do". My brother told me that... like 15yrs ago ... and I feel that isn't true, of course at times. And thinkers think... bc that's how they are wired... but I found ways around that for me (near optimal at times).
---declutter like you would a house, like my log, my desk, office, mind, whatever... I need to all the time, and definitely for PFS too.

@Chapman, MATEY, maybe you could assume Upregulated AR... I was just saying don't be concerned with this food hurts this this hurts that....
-a true cleanse --> you'll only want to eat well. ---> I mean kind of easy for me to say bc I was thin and stuff after losing a lot of weight and have great discipline... but clearly did not always... and in horrific health...... with no way out, discipline dissapears, so I had to quit gluten, alcohol, coffee at a time, and a ton (most food), but now it's like when I was 18 again, pretty clean, then huge cals occasionally to recomposition, and gain little fat, keep LBM, and keep growing LBM slowly over time. ---> without messing up stomach nor any PFS symptoms.

-I said several times I won't crash now. I guess if I drank beer (always ruined stomach since 18), ---> From now till the end of the decade, and sat around... and ate chips 100x a week... and stopped going outside, and PMO'd 1000x ... and did roids... I'd probably "crash", what kind of "crash", I don't know?

--->there's any # number of hypothetical situation rooms we can draw up in our minds.
--->It's best to just be robotic. Unfeeling. Unthinking. Cold. Samurai. Ninja. Just a Dog of War.

 

[Chapman]

Nah no way forget about it! Its what English and @Cdsnuts have been saying for the last 5 years. Most don't have the discipline to stick at it but currently there is no alternative.

 

[Helen]

@Helen Could soy be an option, Ihatefin88 uses it on solvepfs, he's noted it's a weak antiandrogen.

If we felt good on soy then could we assume we have upregulated AR?

@wuf posted a numerous times, that they were told that the receptors were upregulated. but that does not mean that androgen signaling could be not off. like DNA part. which is zinc finger.

Some people feel recovered on cysteine. Cysteine is a part of a zinc finger. without zinc finger nothing willl work, not cortisol not AR, not ppar, nothing. and this can lead to overexpressed receptors.

So this is another possibility which I outlined already.


We have at least 4-5 cases to try.

Just simply overexperssed under expressed AR, yes we can check that no problem.

or overexpressed under expressed GR.


This we will try very soon, all of these cases

 

[bruschi11]

I’ve been preaching health for months here, but trust me I’m all for a silver bullet too. I just think a lot of us need to get body closer to homeostasis for said silver bullets to work.

I think prog cycling post RU is likely my silver bullet if I ever get my gut and health back to normal- but that’s not a silver bullet as it takes time, patience, and fatigue depending on person.

Also, strategic use of histidine/aminos.

Would love to see something that can just turn off a switch immediately. I feel it’s out there.

Before ozone I was in nearly pre-pfs state in terms of libido. Now I’ve got like nothing. My sex game was absolutely pathetic last night smh. Clearly putting all that potassium in the cell wasn’t good for pfs.

 

[Helen]

I’ve been preaching health for months here, but trust me I’m all for a silver bullet too. I just think a lot of us need to get body closer to homeostasis for said silver bullets to work.

I think prog cycling post RU is likely my silver bullet if I ever get my gut and health back to normal- but that’s not a silver bullet as it takes time, patience, and fatigue depending on person.

Also, strategic use of histidine/aminos.

Would love to see something that can just turn off a switch immediately. I feel it’s out there.

Before ozone I was in nearly pre-pfs state in terms of libido. Now I’ve got like nothing. My sex game was absolutely pathetic last night smh. Clearly putting all that potassium in the cell wasn’t good for pfs.

Ozone, totally kills libido, since it lowers glutathione levels in the moment. it is good for downregulated receptors I think. Since it has a nice snap back. You will see . ozone is the best thing for me. 3 days, of ozone, inflammed lungs from it and hemolysis, zero libido. and then snap back. but you have to eat a lot of oranges and may be take b vitamins here and there. after you come off ozone. ozone should be take all the time LOL

Bruschi, buddy. if you dont know what you are doing just follow the TEI. I keeo telling you this, over and over again. forget about your infections , this and that. Just commit to TEi , throw out all the supplements, and just take those for a year. NO aminos, no nothing no additions, Nothing.


Hydrogen, ozone, you are all over the place. Hydrogen water is for the long term healing, it cant do anything to you in 2 weeks or a month. It readjust your metabolism which takes months.


Ozone causes severe oxidation. which totally kills all NADPH in the moment, and can upregulate cortisol receptors. You crash on ozone. This is the whole point of ozone.

Some people do take it very long term. for cancer, to kill all he infection, but it takes about 2-3 months for the body to be able to handle ozone water drinking to actually upregulate the SODs and alll other stuff

It is not valid take ozone for 2 days and experience something. No , you crash on ozone and get yellow. this is when you know it is working. At least for me. first you get very tired, if you breath ozone, your lungs are inflammed. then you quit.

then in a week or so , if you eat oranges and good food and bs. you will very strong.

And cycle this stuff. this is what you do for infections.


but seriously , if you do think you have a huge infection load. I would cycle ozone for 2-3 months. Forget about freaking libido on ozone, it will NOT exist. and your balls will shrink. it is not meant to increase libido on it. It is a pro oxidant. Pro oxidants kill balls size.


But you are claiming that you have tons of infection, so until your infections resolve, your cortisol will never be sensitive. Since infections turn off cortisol , HDAC2 gets turned offf. and only pro oxidants, like ozone, or sulphoraphane turn those back on.

Since they kill the reason of the inflammation and then cortisol can get rid of inflammation later.

 

[bruschi11]

Ozone, totally kills libido, since it lowers glutathione levels in the moment. it is good for downregulated receptors I think. Since it has a nice snap back. You will see . ozone is the best thing for me. 3 days, of ozone, inflammed lungs from it and hemolysis, and then snap back. but you have to eat a lot of oranges and may be take b vitamins here and there.

Bruschi, buddy. if you dont know what you are doing just follow the TEI.

Really good info there for me.

I’m essentially on Tei right now mild version taking that “slow oxidizer formula” which is essentially para pack in powder/food form. Taking it every third day for time being until digestion, fatigue improves.

Time to buy a bunch of oranges. I have my b-complex and b1, b2, b3 on gand as well.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 read the whole message.

You have to chose, you either kill the infection with PRO oxidants, and then increase the immune system with minerals vitamins and get the libido.

Or you go on TEI and they will be just trying to strengthen your immune system for you.

In my personal case, I had a very big infection load , I had lymphoma and staph infection and melanoma.

So the virus actually was helping me to fight huge staph infection. and the actual tumors were the staph infection


So I used h202 and ozone a lot , to kill staph, the minute staph is killed the body is allowed to use iron. the minute iron goes into the cell. this increases nitric oxide and kills the virus. Virus IMO is protective as strange as it sound in some cases.


While you are on prooxidants, forget about your stupid sex drives )) your balls will look like jello and dick will not exist. will be a piece of clothes))


This all changes in 1 week when you are off the proxidants, since now you have less infection and more iron can go into the cell.

It goes into the cell and you get nitric oxide. and all this dick which looked like a piece of clothes a week ago, get very strong in a week. this is why it always makes me laugh how people want to use DHT or this or that for the dick. all DHT does is increases NO> that is ALL. NO goes up and dick stretches out . All these shrinkages are not permanent, and not even shrinkages. You get off DHT, dick goes back to where it was LOL


DHT is made with 450P enzymes. those are iron sulfur cluster enzymes which also need FAD and NADPH. so glutathione components.


SO if you have high DHT and it is not working. You are just missing NO. since all DHT does is increases NO release.

And NO will work when? when you have glutathione. and iron. and cystein cluster and NADPH and FAD

So this is what CFS is. the inability of the body to turn on 450p enzymes which run on iron sulfur and FAD and NADPH

Sometimes it is because of infection and iron is not allowed

Sometimes it is because of heavy viral load which eats too much b2 and b2 is very very low

Sometimes it is since alkalsosis was created and you dont have potassium and without potassium NADPH can be created. and people have low cortisol.


Cortisol insensitivty is not because cortisol insensitive . body would fix that stuff in a micro second,

it is not working for a reason. like HDAC2 is low, or zinc finger does not exist. or Il-10 is low.

same happens in COPD, in inflammation , in CFS, in PSSD PFS etc.

And people try to upregulate it , take hydrocortisons, etc, and then feel a little better for a short while and then have a heart attack.

 

[bruschi11]

@Helen

So you’re saying-

“Just do ozone, b vitamins, and orange juice right now. Forget about TEI if you are going the ozone route. We worry about nutrition after we work on viruses, infections.”

Correct??

And perfect timing for this if so haha... I go on vacay this week leaving my gf behind. I won’t have to worry about fucking with lil noodle dick.

 

[Helen]

@Helen

So you’re saying-

“Just do ozone, b vitamins, and orange juice right now. Forget about TEI if you are going the ozone route. We worry about nutrition after we work on viruses, infections.”

Correct??

No, dont expect any strength improvements if you chose to deal with the infections. do you have the infections. I mean i had the tumors, so I could feel and see them.



Prooxidants are not pro libido. they kill your receptors proteins, everything. and infections of course also.

It is only after you go off pro oxidants, you get the higher libido then before, since now you have more IRON available.

I dont know your situation with the infections. If you have them hidden and they are not obvious, Then do a couple may be 3 cycles with ozone.

B vitamins are taken after the cycle, not on OZONE. , b vitamins are antioxidants. OZONE Is pro oxidant, it kills shit.

So do 3 cycles of ozone, and then go on TEI and dont add anything, to it.

 

[Slayo]

I think @Helen you have too much trust in TEI or ARL, nutritional balancing isn't new stuff inhealth groups, and i'min health groups for 4 years, many people do good on nutritional balancing (but it is very slow, it takes years), but many others don't make any single improvement even after several years.
I see people on nutritional balancing for 4 years and just starting to relase copper.
Don't get me wrong i think ARL and TEI are good but either these guys miss to know many imbalances or nutritional balancing on its own isn't enough

 

[Nina]

I think @Helen you have too much trust in TEI or ARL, nutritional balancing isn't new stuff inhealth groups, and i'min health groups for 4 years, many people do good on nutritional balancing (but it is very slow, it takes years), but many others don't make any single improvement even after several years.
I see people on nutritional balancing for 4 years and just starting to relase copper.
Don't get me wrong i think ARL and TEI are good but either these guys miss to know many imbalances or nutritional balancing on its own isn't enough

What other solid options do we have?

 

[Helen]

I think @Helen you have too much trust in TEI or ARL, nutritional balancing isn't new stuff inhealth groups, and i'min health groups for 4 years, many people do good on nutritional balancing (but it is very slow, it takes years), but many others don't make any single improvement even after several years.
I see people on nutritional balancing for 4 years and just starting to relase copper.
Don't get me wrong i think ARL and TEI are good but either these guys miss to know many imbalances or nutritional balancing on its own isn't enough

yes, it takes a long time. It is a life style , not a treatment, I know people who are on it for 8 years already.

Some folks have huge toxicity in mercury and etc. their glutathione levels will never go up it will take them very many years to lift up.

without glutathione, for instance cortisol will never be working or sensitive.

Some people can speed it up with the chelation. Iike I did. i lead a crazy life and was toxic in shit. my glut levels were eaten up immediately during any stress, since lead was released into the blood stream.

this totally killed all reception, glut, Ar reception, since alll that stuff is on cysteine.


Other things you can do to feel better you can just substitute hormones. like go on test plus progesterone or some folks go on hydrocortisone etc.



@Slayo I am trying to find faster routes. for your guys, and for my self, since i am now in the crashed mode myself.

We will try the receptor routes, anavar we are trying.

But you need to understand that our russian forum is 10 years old, and I was on naked since 2011. We did all of this. cortisol receptors upregulations, we did carbergolines, low test dosages . You read the POIS forum protocols which I posted here.
We came up with all of this a long time ago.

Also methylations protocols. etc.

But for me nothing worked untill I got the lead to the good level. Even now look at what happened to me. I was chelating with EDTA

and I took FIN. boom I am gone, crashed, fucked, BAD. it never effected me like this before.

This is because chelation killed the glut in the moment. And Fin I guess just destroys it.


I am for all kinds of approaches, and we are trying everything. from hormonal to minerals to chelation to hydrogen to ozone.


But while we are trying. People should not just fuck themselves up with random stuff. at least on TEI you are ging in the right direction.

 

[Nina]

yes, it takes a long time. It is a life style , not a treatment, I know people who are on it for 8 years already.

Some folks have huge toxicity in mercury and etc. their glutathione levels will never go up it will take them very many years to lift up.

without glutathione, for instance cortisol will never be working or sensitive.

Some people can speed it up with the chelation. Iike I did. i lead a crazy life and was toxic in shit. my glut levels were eaten up immediately during any stress, since lead was released into the blood stream.

this totally killed all reception, glut, Ar reception, since alll that stuff is on cysteine.


Other things you can do to feel better you can just substitute hormones. like go on test plus progesterone or some folks go on hydrocortisone etc.



@Slayo I am trying to find faster routes. for your guys, and for my self, since i am now in the crashed mode myself.

We will try the receptor routes, anavar we are trying.

But you need to understand that our russian forum is 10 years old, and I was on naked since 2011. We did all of this. cortisol receptors upregulations, we did carbergolines, low test dosages . You read the POIS forum protocols which I posted here.
We came up with all of this a long time ago.

Also methylations protocols. etc.

But for me nothing worked untill I got the lead to the good level. Even now look at what happened to me. I was chelating with EDTA

and I took FIN. boom I am gone, crashed, fucked, BAD. it never effected me like this before.

This is because chelation killed the glut in the moment. And Fin I guess just destroys it.


I am for all kinds of approaches, and we are trying everything. from hormonal to minerals to chelation to hydrogen to ozone.


But while we are trying. People should not just fuck themselves up with random stuff. at least on TEI you are ging in the right direction.

I had braces for 2 years and now have splints behind my teeth to keep them in place. Can this cause metal toxicity? This is what i have behind upper and bottom teeth

 

[Helen]

@Slayo Most people were sick before FIN and SSRIs.

So to think that if someone upregulates or downregulates some receptors and gets fixed that is not going to happen.

Look at PSSD people. they try some shit, GET fixed as they think and then get crazy anxiety and go back on SSRI.

I remember myself, NO freaking way I would be able to stay in pre PSSD state. without drugs. I mean it was panic attacks when I went outside on the street.

SO you see how much knowledge and regulations the person has to go thru to even have a chance of getting ever fixed.

I agree with you that crazy chelation for years helps those people. but that is years also and those years a lot scary then doing it on ARL or TEI.

I went thru it. for 2 years for heavy chelation. It was very very scary.



Most of the disease are because of metals in the brain, Look at parkinson alzheimers, etc. the regulatory organ gets screwed.

And then there is wrong ACTH signaling like in CFS, wrong HPA axis signaling etc.

 

[Helen]

I had braces for 2 years and now have splints behind my teeth to keep them in place. Can this cause mercury toxicity? This is what i have behind upper and bottom teethView attachment 749

Are those made from mercury? LOL

 

[Nina]

Are those made from mercury? LOL

Idk what they r made of lol, some kind of metal anyways