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[ruprmurdoch]

Iron and copper both get dis-regulated from toxic metals too unless you have some genetic thing like those men who retain a lot of iron because of a gene. I never felt better from getting rid of iron personally and focussing on that for example. It's the same how people chelate calcium even though if you would make your body work properly your body would use the calcium. Now you just take away a piece to have less problems.

Lead also causes high DHT for example. Same for mercury. Maybe even aluminum. Cadmium. That's why some people I think also feel better on 5ar inhibitors. Especially if they have normal NADPH production. If you don't then you feel like shit on finasteride and other 5ar inhibitors. Which was my case. I could not tolerate any 5ar inhibition even mild. Same for a lot of people from PropeciaHelp and cdsnuts I remember. They would feel worse on even coconut oil for example. They probably had low NADPH production and finasteride made it even lower and you get way too low DHT and with low libido, anxiety, etc.

Remember how Helen said he felt better when he used finasteride. He was/is lead toxic too heavily. So I think a lot of people have these problems but different core problems or other metals maybe. It shows you lead can also cause high DHT. Any other toxic metal that is close to iron or copper.

Could also be a reason why the body keeps NADPH and hormone production low in those people so they don't get problems with high DHT and calcification. In a way it is a healthy response.

I also met people who felt better on 5ar inhibitors like finasteride but probably took too much for too long and then you get the same problem as the guys who already had low NADPH to start with. Because the effect of finasteride lasts long. Finasteride and dutasteride are too strong in that case and useless long term. Especially if you use it like the average person.

For the guys with low NADPH they take finasteride and they are done. That's why some of them crashed after 1 pill. Helen explained this in detail too.

This is what I think at least and noticed in myself.

You never felt better from getting rid of iron personally, beacusse maybe You also have high Cu levels and You become estrogen dominant ? I know from myself that when I feel estrogen dominance I can take Iron and I am calm - beacuse DHT grow and this is connected to Gaba and this make You calm.
I think when you start simple chelatation of Fe, then You start feel Cu toxicity and feel kind a rage/agression. If I' m wrong let me know

 

[RebelWithACause]

You never felt better from getting rid of iron personally, beacusse maybe You also have high Cu levels and You become estrogen dominant ? I know from myself that when I feel estrogen dominance I can take Iron and I am calm - beacuse DHT grow and this is connected to Gaba and this make You calm.
I think when you start simple chelatation of Fe, then You start feel Cu toxicity and feel kind a rage/agression. If I' m wrong let me know

Probably different per person. I don't think iron chelation is a solution for my problem. Maybe for others it is. I never had these high iron problems. I used to think I did. But I have more opposite. Probably low iron absorption whole life, low steroids, etc. Probably from high toxic metal load from birth which causes dysregulation of those minerals and also can cause low NADPH so low hormones. Low testosterone you also absorp way less iron.

For others it might be a problem. Might have had normal iron absorption and normal hormones and on top of that mineral disregulation then it's probably a different story.