Going back on Accutane...

[Minime]

The acne and oily skin that has resulted from my RU trial has gone on for too long and has progressed too severely. I see no other option but to go back on Acccutane.

Hoping someone has some other suggestions for me on how I can treat this oily skin and acne.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. If not, I see no other option but to try Accutane. Everything else the dermatologist has tried has had no effect. I am suffering greatly and am absolutely miserable.

Appreciate any advice offered.

 

[MNK99]

I really have no way of 100% proving this, but this may be a bad idea. Is it legitimately the only remaining potential solution?

Don't do it most likely. Screwed some people here, going back on whatever ailed them. Can it potentially help? sure, but most it didn't.

(Not being flippant).

 

[Rid]

I'm guessing sexual and physical health is back to normal?
I'd say this is obviously a bad idea but you know that. Its russian roulette. Weve all played and lost.

Try fasting. I'd be shocked If your skin isnt the clearest in your whole life after a week.

 

[JasonSky]

The acne and oily skin that has resulted from my RU trial has gone on for too long and has progressed too severely. I see no other option but to go back on Acccutane.

Hoping someone has some other suggestions for me on how I can treat this oily skin and acne.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. If not, I see no other option but to try Accutane. Everything else the dermatologist has tried has had no effect. I am suffering greatly and am absolutely miserable.

Appreciate any advice offered.

I've suffered from mild to moderate acne for the last 5 years, fucking sucks tbh but it's starting to get better!

Things that have helped me:
- Cleanser at night
- Moisturizer in the morning, sometimes at night as well. (only over the last few months did I start using moisturizer but it's been helping tbh)
- Tretinoin(Retinol) This shit loads your skin with vitamin A and helps prevent breakouts as well as peel new skin, recently started doing this over the past two months and I've hardly broke out at all.
- Overall diet (Little to no dairy, easy on the gluten, more leafy greens and vegetables, staying hydrated, digestive enzymes with fatty meals or high protein meals)
- Things that support bile acid flow for digestion ( Tumeric, Lemon water, Omega3 fish oils, Apples)

Hope this helps at all!

 

[Aleksandr]

Are u on TEI?

I went on 3 courses of accutane, no side effects until the last course ... my eyes have been dry and tense ever since. It's a serious pain in the ass, but I know your pain... I'm glad I'm not covered in acne.
If I knew about tei back then i would have given it a shot. Not only cn it fix your skin but it can make you healthier happier and live longer.. give it a try man

Dry eyes aren't the worst possible sides either. .. people lose libido and erections or become suicidal too.

You might get lucky and not be effected by this round too... or should we say, effected in an obvious and detrimental way

 

[Orion]

The acne and oily skin that has resulted from my RU trial has gone on for too long and has progressed too severely. I see no other option but to go back on Acccutane.

Hoping someone has some other suggestions for me on how I can treat this oily skin and acne.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. If not, I see no other option but to try Accutane. Everything else the dermatologist has tried has had no effect. I am suffering greatly and am absolutely miserable.

Appreciate any advice offered.

Oil and acne has been my mission for years now. Zero vitamin A intake is finally curing it, not bandaiding it. Accutane is just mega high dose active vitamin A, its just a bandaid that will fuck you further. It may dry out your skin and stop acne, but most likely it will come back, and fuck you in other ways.

I know your pain, i decided to use it for two rounds, wish I knew what I know now... my vote is don't do it.

 

[bruschi11]

Dude... please don’t make this mistake again.

You will never get better from your other sides and you will just have less acne. Does that sound like a fun life?

Have you ever fasted or ever even considered it? You never tried mineral balancing correct. Have you ever had a hair test done?

You are becoming your own worst enemy with the paths you’ve chosen. You are sluggish with fatigue, have bad digestion, low libido. You are physically a mess.

You are dying. You have to realize that. This is not living what you do on daily basis. Will accutane actually make you live?

I’ll tell you one thing- I look great right now relative to most of my peers. We are hitting that 30 age and some are balding, fattening up. Well my hair looks incredible and I’m in decent shape with a nice tan.

Realistically though I hate my life- I have to watch everything I eat, get fatigued from doing much , low libido. I’m still sick. Looks just aren’t worth it when you’re sick- they don’t mean anything.

The goal for you is to fix both your skin and your health. You can’t chose one or the other. Health must come first- skin will come with it.

Have a hair test done. Have organic acids testing done. Report your results here. Stop all forms of antibiotics and stop forever. I know you’ve been using these.

I know you’re skinny and fasting is tough- but why not a juice feast. I’m sure this could help you. And go for awhile, maybe something drastic could happen. You need to create a new human being. Which you have the power to do. The only person stopping this creation is yourself by following medical guidelines time after time.

These medical guidelines are from like the 1980s. You have to realize we are in exponential times....

The above video is what I always held onto when I was really ill.

 

[Ocguy]

The acne and oily skin that has resulted from my RU trial has gone on for too long and has progressed too severely. I see no other option but to go back on Acccutane.

Hoping someone has some other suggestions for me on how I can treat this oily skin and acne.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. If not, I see no other option but to try Accutane. Everything else the dermatologist has tried has had no effect. I am suffering greatly and am absolutely miserable.

Appreciate any advice offered.

Fix your gut.. follow the gut drink protocol.. it's in my about me and signature section.. you are likely havind a bad reaction to some foods
Also, everytime I start breaking out its because of Estrogen imbalance.. get on DIM. The best brand is by Olympian labs.. it will clear out the bad estrogens.. I know u are working on it from the skin/topical standpoint.. but u need to start thinking beyond that

 

[Walker]

Dude... please don’t make this mistake again.

You will never get better from your other sides and you will just have less acne. Does that sound like a fun life?

Have you ever fasted or ever even considered it? You never tried mineral balancing correct. Have you ever had a hair test done?

You are becoming your own worst enemy with the paths you’ve chosen. You are sluggish with fatigue, have bad digestion, low libido. You are physically a mess.

You are dying. You have to realize that. This is not living what you do on daily basis. Will accutane actually make you live?

I’ll tell you one thing- I look great right now relative to most of my peers. We are hitting that 30 age and some are balding, fattening up. Well my hair looks incredible and I’m in decent shape with a nice tan.

Realistically though I hate my life- I have to watch everything I eat, get fatigued from doing much , low libido. I’m still sick. Looks just aren’t worth it when you’re sick- they don’t mean anything.

The goal for you is to fix both your skin and your health. You can’t chose one or the other. Health must come first- skin will come with it.

Have a hair test done. Have organic acids testing done. Report your results here. Stop all forms of antibiotics and stop forever. I know you’ve been using these.

I know you’re skinny and fasting is tough- but why not a juice feast. I’m sure this could help you. And go for awhile, maybe something drastic could happen. You need to create a new human being. Which you have the power to do. The only person stopping this creation is yourself by following medical guidelines time after time.

These medical guidelines are from like the 1980s. You have to realize we are in exponential times....

The above video is what I always held onto when I was really ill.

Funny, I'm also 30 and in the same boat. I look substantially better and healthier than most, and pretty much all of my peers. Crazy what focusing on health and not drinking a half case of Coors Light EVERY SINGLE DAY can do for you! I mean I even drink on the weekends and partake in such things, but it's all about what you do 90% of the time, and the other 10% doesn't matter.

/endrant

 

[Minime]

I'm guessing sexual and physical health is back to normal?
I'd say this is obviously a bad idea but you know that. Its russian roulette. Weve all played and lost.

Try fasting. I'd be shocked If your skin isnt the clearest in your whole life after a week.

Sexual sides have only worsened over the years. No sign of improvement. Physical sides have not improved either. I was able to gain some weight when I was on an antibiotic several weeks ago, but now that I’m off the antibiotic, muscle wasting has returned.

 

[Minime]

I've suffered from mild to moderate acne for the last 5 years, fucking sucks tbh but it's starting to get better!

Things that have helped me:
- Cleanser at night
- Moisturizer in the morning, sometimes at night as well. (only over the last few months did I start using moisturizer but it's been helping tbh)
- Tretinoin(Retinol) This shit loads your skin with vitamin A and helps prevent breakouts as well as peel new skin, recently started doing this over the past two months and I've hardly broke out at all.
- Overall diet (Little to no dairy, easy on the gluten, more leafy greens and vegetables, staying hydrated, digestive enzymes with fatty meals or high protein meals)
- Things that support bile acid flow for digestion ( Tumeric, Lemon water, Omega3 fish oils, Apples)

Hope this helps at all!

I do use a good cleanser and moisturizer however my condition just continues to worsen. I have not yet tried retinol due to the vitamin A but maybe I will give that a try before Accutane. But it’s difficult to use retinol on the scalp.

I cant eat dairy or gluten...haven’t been able to for a couple years now I believe.

I started taking turmeric a few days ago.

 

[Minime]

Oil and acne has been my mission for years now. Zero vitamin A intake is finally curing it, not bandaiding it. Accutane is just mega high dose active vitamin A, its just a bandaid that will fuck you further. It may dry out your skin and stop acne, but most likely it will come back, and fuck you in other ways.

I know your pain, i decided to use it for two rounds, wish I knew what I know now... my vote is don't do it.

I hear you. I understand that about the vitamin A saturation. It’s just my scalp and face are so bad, and now the rest of my body is showing rash/acne as well. I’m just lost. And so is my doctor unfortunately. Still, I haven’t tried fasting yet so maybe I’ll do that before jumping on Accutane.

 

[Minime]

@bruschi11
I have not fasted...at least not for longer than 4-5 days. I have gone through two rounds of mineral balancing via a hair test but the shrinkage got so bad I couldn’t go on with it. I’m dealing with something new here...a bad reaction to RU...so yes, I am following a dermatologist’s guidance since I have no other suggestions to follow. This is new territory. Thanks for sending the video, I will check it out.

@Ocguy
The deterioration of my skin and hair follicles is a direct reaction to the RU I took. It’s not a reaction to food. My estrogen was very high prior to taking RU. After RU, all my hormones tested within range. I would think that is good but apparently not. I will check out your gut protocol. My gut is probably messed up from taking antibiotics. Thanks for your suggestions.

I appreciate everyone’s feedback. I will think about this decision for a while and maybe try some other avenues first.

 

[Aleksandr]

Oil and acne has been my mission for years now. Zero vitamin A intake is finally curing it, not bandaiding it. Accutane is just mega high dose active vitamin A, its just a bandaid that will fuck you further. It may dry out your skin and stop acne, but most likely it will come back, and fuck you in other ways.

I know your pain, i decided to use it for two rounds, wish I knew what I know now... my vote is don't do it.

Maybe this is like what @Helen was saying about there being "2 cases of PFS"

maybe theres "2 cases of PAS" as well
in my case the accutane worked, cured my acne and oily skin, but gave me dry eyes

and in your case maybe it just upregulated the receptors?
it is weird though that from the no vitamin A diet you're recovering - what do you think is the method here? Its down regulating your receptors?


Good to hear you're doing well. How many weeks have you been on the no vitamin A diet for now?

 

[Aleksandr]

Funny, I'm also 30 and in the same boat. I look substantially better and healthier than most, and pretty much all of my peers. Crazy what focusing on health and not drinking a half case of Coors Light EVERY SINGLE DAY can do for you! I mean I even drink on the weekends and partake in such things, but it's all about what you do 90% of the time, and the other 10% doesn't matter.

/endrant

Can you explain this post?

 

[MNK99]

--2 lines is not a rant, it's rather succinct. LOL, jk.

 

[Walker]

Can you explain this post?

TLDR; lifestyle choices affect how healthy you look. Basically I expanded and agreed with @bruschi11 on how healthy living can make a major difference on how you look versus your peers. Most of my peers, and I would assume his, live the standard American life. Work eight hours, happy hour, drink everyday and eat shit food. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Ocguy]

@bruschi11
I have not fasted...at least not for longer than 4-5 days. I have gone through two rounds of mineral balancing via a hair test but the shrinkage got so bad I couldn’t go on with it. I’m dealing with something new here...a bad reaction to RU...so yes, I am following a dermatologist’s guidance since I have no other suggestions to follow. This is new territory. Thanks for sending the video, I will check it out.

@Ocguy
The deterioration of my skin and hair follicles is a direct reaction to the RU I took. It’s not a reaction to food. My estrogen was very high prior to taking RU. After RU, all my hormones tested within range. I would think that is good but apparently not. I will check out your gut protocol. My gut is probably messed up from taking antibiotics. Thanks for your suggestions.

I appreciate everyone’s feedback. I will think about this decision for a while and maybe try some other avenues first.

@bruschi11
I have not fasted...at least not for longer than 4-5 days. I have gone through two rounds of mineral balancing via a hair test but the shrinkage got so bad I couldn’t go on with it. I’m dealing with something new here...a bad reaction to RU...so yes, I am following a dermatologist’s guidance since I have no other suggestions to follow. This is new territory. Thanks for sending the video, I will check it out.

@Ocguy
The deterioration of my skin and hair follicles is a direct reaction to the RU I took. It’s not a reaction to food. My estrogen was very high prior to taking RU. After RU, all my hormones tested within range. I would think that is good but apparently not. I will check out your gut protocol. My gut is probably messed up from taking antibiotics. Thanks for your suggestions.

I appreciate everyone’s feedback. I will think about this decision for a while and maybe try some other avenues first.

Right, but labs don't show the entire estrogen picture.. you can still be estrogen dominant with normal levels especially with androgen issues.. Dim merely helps escort out the bad estrogen.. I don't think you can get too low.

On the gut issue.. lots of people with oily skin don't have acne.. sure it's usually present when there Is acne but not as a stand alone factor. It's a bacterial imbalance.. working on the gut regulates that.
Also herbal surfacants might help like yucca root.. surfacants and saponins clean the cells of excess bacteria.. I met a woman that was a distributor for a product called immusist.. it's liquid surfacants.. she was sold on it because her son had terrible hormonal acne and it completely cleared it.. she gave me a bottle.. it's kind of soapy. When u mix it with water.. you might find the ingredients and go with the less expensive herbals

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11
I have not fasted...at least not for longer than 4-5 days. I have gone through two rounds of mineral balancing via a hair test but the shrinkage got so bad I couldn’t go on with it. I’m dealing with something new here...a bad reaction to RU...so yes, I am following a dermatologist’s guidance since I have no other suggestions to follow. This is new territory. Thanks for sending the video, I will check it out.

@Ocguy
The deterioration of my skin and hair follicles is a direct reaction to the RU I took. It’s not a reaction to food. My estrogen was very high prior to taking RU. After RU, all my hormones tested within range. I would think that is good but apparently not. I will check out your gut protocol. My gut is probably messed up from taking antibiotics. Thanks for your suggestions.

I understand the nutritional balancing part man and it sucks with the shrinkage. I get horrible constipation when i push minerals too hard.

I think in cases like ours where pushing minerals hard, we just have to take foot off gas. Like instead of taking 3 times daily, maybe just once at night. Or just once every 3 or 4 days (what I’m currently doing). It’s just something to keep system strong and trending in correct direction.

We don’t have to go on full on NB program, but we can push body in correct direction and utilize the the hair test quite effectively.

What I do is take everything into account when it comes to fixing a person. Most important things in no particular order to me are nutritional balance, gut bacteria, liver health, pathogens/fungus/SIBO and their toxic die off, toxicities, heavy metals, and very little more to worry about really.

You must see when the above is in line, no matter who you are, imbalances like what present to you will dissolve. This is the essence of holistic health (I like to call it realistic health)- that there is a way of looking at the whole body and seeing a collection of attributes that can be directed in correct direction.

I don’t know if you’re into sports but I like to compare this to say a young basketball player (NBA Draft tonight baby!). Say you have a guy with a decent all around game, not great but good well rounded player and he can’t shoot a lick. No 3 pt shot in a league where the 3 pt shot is required. (Looking at you Romeo Langford.) That player is not going to end up making it in the league. Theres a certain functionality that this league requires for good but not great players and shooting is one of them.

Well maybe everything in your system is working decently and there’s one big outlier just like that. Maybe it’s a fungus, one toxin, one thing sending your immune system in the incorrect direction. All we know is that something is offsetting your health drastically and keeping you from being the person that you want to be. Just like a required 3 pt shot for a ball player that isn’t there. Something is holding you back.

The thought of working with a dermatologist at this point in time is basically throwing in the towel on a very possibly if not likely happy life one day in the not too distant future. That is a fact- I think we all know that.

Again, I’ve presented organic acids testing to you on more than one occasion now. You said you are getting zero help from this forum. But here it is... go look at organic acids to get another further view as to what can be behind your problems. Post results here and we can really see what might be ailing you.

Great Plains organic acids is what I use.

 

[Minime]

Right, but labs don't show the entire estrogen picture.. you can still be estrogen dominant with normal levels especially with androgen issues.. Dim merely helps escort out the bad estrogen.. I don't think you can get too low.

On the gut issue.. lots of people with oily skin don't have acne.. sure it's usually present when there Is acne but not as a stand alone factor. It's a bacterial imbalance.. working on the gut regulates that.
Also herbal surfacants might help like yucca root.. surfacants and saponins clean the cells of excess bacteria.. I met a woman that was a distributor for a product called immusist.. it's liquid surfacants.. she was sold on it because her son had terrible hormonal acne and it completely cleared it.. she gave me a bottle.. it's kind of soapy. When u mix it with water.. you might find the ingredients and go with the less expensive herbals

I will look into this...thanks for the advice!