Goose PFS (Saw palmetto) log- TEI

[5 alpha]

@TubZy I am doing good, labido dropped down to my current normal from my prog ru high. But I have noticed that skin is oilier after snap back which is noreal for me pre pfs and musky body oder is starting coming back.

Also I have been having tons of energy lately. Energy gets better and better after each cycle of RU. I alays have more fatigue directly after ru but after the snap back 2 or 3 weeks post my baseline in energy and personality are increased. Energy wise I am better than pre pfs.

Prog definitely seems to work in synergy with ru. Would be interesting to see more people try ru and prog. I have been on herbs for pct for the last week and they are definitely stronger after this cycle.

I keep moving forward a getting closer and closer to being pre pfs.

I was asking you on one of the RU threads about your second and third RU runs and did not realize you had it all posted here in your log haha

I still have more log reading to do but does that make 3 people so far who have tried RU/prog combos?

How has your 4th RU cycle that you combined with Prog for your first RU/Prog cycle combo compared to your first RU only cycle so far?

 

[IHateFin]

I remember seeing the Andro hard gel over on swolesource but no one was trying it at the time. If I remember correctly people on that forum typically avoided Epi Andro because of its association with making people feel fatigued.

@Goose...Did you say in a prior post that you started feeling tired shortly after adding the Andro hard gel into your super R Andro run?

I tried an older Epi-andro only (no Androsterone) gel that was recommended on swolesource at one point. I do remember it having a fatigue feeling that Androsterone does not have

has anyone ever noticed blood pressure issues while on Super R Andro or while on the Super R Andro/Andro hard gel combo?

Well epi andro was in OG androhard which cured a lot of ppl. I feel like epi only gives fatigued when it isn't paired with androsterone

 

[Goose12]

I was asking you on one of the RU threads about your second and third RU runs and did not realize you had it all posted here in your log haha

I still have more log reading to do but does that make 3 people so far who have tried RU/prog combos?

How has your 4th RU cycle that you combined with Prog for your first RU/Prog cycle combo compared to your first RU only cycle so far?

Honestly my first RU cycle was more productive for me than ru and prog, but the cortisol effects of higher dose of ru seemed to be what helped me. 50mgs for 3 days seems to be my sweet spot, but now that my anxiety is 100% I think low dose ru is more productive.

When I tried ru while taking andro I only took 7mgs of ru and noticed a boost in sensativity but I think a cleaner trial after r andro would be better. I think if anxiety, cfs, and digestion are issues then high dose ru can help but if those sides are cured I think lower dose is better IMO.

 

[Goose12]

Well epi andro was in OG androhard which cured a lot of ppl. I feel like epi only gives fatigued when it isn't paired with androsterone

I am noticing a little bit of fatigue on this cycle but if dosing of the pump is correct I am taking 600mgs of each which might be to much. But the fatigue is bearable and the alpha feeling is great.

 

[Walker]

Well epi andro was in OG androhard which cured a lot of ppl. I feel like epi only gives fatigued when it isn't paired with androsterone

Androsterone by itself gives most people some form of noticeable lethargy. Myself included.

Epi-androsterone, even when paired with Androsterone, as I ran this same MG AndroHard that Goose is, made me feel more run down than lethargic. That feeling of just waking up and feeling like a bus has hit you and you're starting from behind, as opposed to being tired. This happened about three weeks in on the 6 pumps AM, 6 pumps PM dose - actually felt fantastic prior to that.

YMMV, of course.

 

[IHateFin]

I am noticing a little bit of fatigue on this cycle but if dosing of the pump is correct I am taking 600mgs of each which might be to much. But the fatigue is bearable and the alpha feeling is great.

the fatigue could also be from tanking estrogen too much too

 

[5 alpha]

Well epi andro was in OG androhard which cured a lot of ppl. I feel like epi only gives fatigued when it isn't paired with androsterone

interesting. makes me want to try the epi-ando and Androsterone together now. Think I need a break from the pro hormones for a little while though...

 

[IHateFin]

interesting. makes me want to try the epi-ando and Androsterone together now. Think I need a break from the pro hormones for a little while though...

Yeah I'm abstaining as well for a bit haha
I'll be cycling tribulous and microdose ru for a few months before I try the androhard which I would be pairing with 4andro tokeep estrogen from tanking too much

 

[5 alpha]

I am noticing a little bit of fatigue on this cycle but if dosing of the pump is correct I am taking 600mgs of each which might be to much. But the fatigue is bearable and the alpha feeling is great.

I suppose it could be tanked estrogen like ihatefin said. It does actually sound like an awful high dose. I don't know how well i would do on 600mg of Androsterone alone never mind paired with the Epi-Andro.

I suppose if I could enjoy those dosages without my blood pressure going through the roof I would love it though. The feeling itself from Androsterone at 300 mg is awesome hands down.

 

[5 alpha]

Yeah I'm abstaining as well for a bit haha
I'll be cycling tribulous and microdose ru for a few months before I try the androhard which I would be pairing with 4andro tokeep estrogen from tanking too much

nice

where do you get your trib from ?
Are there any good Trib sources these days? it's not been a part of my herb rotation for a while now.

The Micro does of RU sounds interesting. are you talking like less than 10mg for extended period of time?

 

[5 alpha]

Honestly my first RU cycle was more productive for me than ru and prog, but the cortisol effects of higher dose of ru seemed to be what helped me. 50mgs for 3 days seems to be my sweet spot, but now that my anxiety is 100% I think low dose ru is more productive.

When I tried ru while taking andro I only took 7mgs of ru and noticed a boost in sensativity but I think a cleaner trial after r andro would be better. I think if anxiety, cfs, and digestion are issues then high dose ru can help but if those sides are cured I think lower dose is better IMO.

Are you planning on running another RU cycle as soon as you are off the Andro?

my three RU trials thus far have been at 50Mg 3 day runs and a 100 MG 3 day run

perhaps I will try a longer lower dosage for my next run.

 

[brix]

the fatigue could also be from tanking estrogen too much too

1mg of haiduts andro causes me suppression. Watery semen and unable to get an erection. Not good

 

[Goose12]

I suppose it could be tanked estrogen like ihatefin said. It does actually sound like an awful high dose. I don't know how well i would do on 600mg of Androsterone alone never mind paired with the Epi-Andro.

I suppose if I could enjoy those dosages without my blood pressure going through the roof I would love it though. The feeling itself from Androsterone at 300 mg is awesome hands down.

You and @IHateFin are probably right on the estrogen being tanked causing a lot of the fatigue. Everytime I jump on andro any labido i had disapears. I think its related to low estrogen. It makes me wonder if a stand alone cycle of 4 andro would be better. But I know the point is not to feel good on cycle but increase baseline post, which androhard has done before.

I have been on androhard for 20 days and 4 andro the last 4 days. I noticed an increase in energy the first day and labido seems like it's starting to pick up today.

 

[Goose12]

Are you planning on running another RU cycle as soon as you are off the Andro?

my three RU trials thus far have been at 50Mg 3 day runs and a 100 MG 3 day run

perhaps I will try a longer lower dosage for my next run.

I am not sure yet. I have 25mgs of ru left so I might use that or jump on htma protocol. What ever I do will invole a pct.

What are your plans? Are you going to cycle ru again, or jump on another protocol? I am curious how you will react to ru after randro cycling. No matter what dose you use I wouldn't run ru more than 4 or 5 days IMO.

 

[IHateFin]

1mg of haiduts andro causes me suppression. Watery semen and unable to get an erection. Not good

thats not normal man.... andro doesnt do that. throw that shit away

 

[Goose12]

I have been on TE for less than a week and I am already noticing improvements. It's still early to say but everyday seems like it gets slightly better and better.

I have also had negative sides that started right away. I have been sleeping for around 10 hrs a day compared to 7 or 8. Its kind of nice because I sleep like a rock but I am tired for most of the day unless I get 10 hrs of sleep. I have also noticed some slight liver discomfort, but it's manageable.

The positives are all around sexual sides. I feel like for the first time in a long time that my labido is truly coming back online. It's still low but it's there. Morning wood is almost pre saw pallemento. I have wood from the time I go to bed until a wake up. It could be a little harder and last longer in the morning.

After studying my hair test and the supps that are recommended it seems my biggest problems are my na/k ratio and my high iron. After reading about high iron it seems to match all of my sides. Elevated iron doesn't allow copper and histamine to work. So my body is wasting copper, and histamine with its cofactors and in turn causing my biggest side which is low labido. It all makes sense after my hair test.

I think that's why taking copper by itself made me feel worse, it just caused me to waste more histamine and cofactors, because of the relationship between copper and iron.

Most of the supplements from TE seem geared towards reducing my high iron and other toxic heavy metals. Vitamin A, E, selenium, and manganese are the main things in my supplements for detox. Everything else recommended seems geared toward increaseing my adrenals.

I wish I would have gotten an arl test done at the same time to see if they would have reacted to my iron levels like TE did. Looking at arl my iron would only be slightly high and they don't have a copper and iron ratio like TE does.

 

[IHateFin]

i took a pea sized amount of the muscle gelz androhard and it sedated the fuck outta me haha how do you do so many pumps like 6 full pumps without falling to the ground? haha must have hit my gaba like a ton of bricks

 

[Goose12]

i took a pea sized amount of the muscle gelz androhard and it sedated the fuck outta me haha how do you do so many pumps like 6 full pumps without falling to the ground? haha must have hit my gaba like a ton of bricks

I honestly feel better on MuscleGelz compared to r andro. Another plus from Muscle Gelz is you can easily run a 6 week cycle, 10 to 12 pumps a day, with just one bottle.

I noticed some fatigue on both. My first cycle of r andro and muscle gelz was almost unbearable but this cycle of muscle gelz was manageable.

 

[Goose12]

I have been on TE for three weeks at this point. Energy levels are up and down on TE but are down compared to being off of TE. Before energy was at all time highs. Sleep for the most part has been really good. Oily skin is back to normal, the youthful glow of my skin has returned. Wrinkle under my eyes , caused by saw pallemento are fading. Body odor is starting to come back, it's been a long time since I have had body odor. I have some labido back, which is great. This last week I have been able to get an erection by just thinking about sex, that hasn't happened anrd stayed for a long time.

All in all I can say that mineral balancing is the best thing I have done, and for the most part it has been constant gains and very little roller coastering. For the most part I feel normal and I know 100% that this is the path I need to take to get out of this.

 

[hairsuit]

Awesome to hear man. Gives me hope in starting my ARL program. Keep the updates coming.