Goose PFS (Saw palmetto) log- TEI

[5 alpha]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3486 time=1509833094 user_id=57]
Goose.

I know you where doing pretty good before your RU run but by how much percentage wise over all do you think it improved you ?

do you plan on doing another RU run?

It's hard to give an over all percentage of improvements from ru because my improvements from ru were specific. I would say it put my dick sensitivity from a 20% to a 80%,my biggest improvement from ru. My mood from a 95% to a 110%, better than Pre saw palmetto. Also after RU I feel 100% normal again, like my metabolism, digestion, and all other body functions are in balance again, I was maybe 90% before.

About two weeks after stop ru I didn't notice any more improvements and my labido was still around 10%, orgasms 30%, morning wood 50%, and ejaculate volume 50%. These are my biggest issues I have left.

But the real magic of ru started when I started cycling herbs again. They are a lot stronger after RU. I have started cycling the herbs again 7 days ago. I don't want to jinx my self but my labido and orgasms has jumped up 60% each, for the last 3 days, and my ejaculate strength and volume has increased. My labido has never gone above 10% for the last 6 months so it feels great to finally have a labido again.

I feel like I could go the rest of the way to being 100% on just @Cdsnuts protocol. So I don't know if I will do ru again. I think I will wait and see how far I get with the protocol. My biggest concern right now is weak morning wood.

What about you 5 alpha, what's your plans now? It seems like we both got pretty good results from ru.
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Interesting break downs. The dick sensitivity from 20 to 80 is a huge gain. Actually I'm still seeing improvements and one of the improvements I have seen in the last couple of days is increase dick sensitivity probable from about 10 percent to about 35 percent. I was hit extremely hard in this department. probable one of the worst.

Your mood going above pre PFS is out standing. My mood is better as well but I'm pretty sure that it's directly related to having a somewhat normal sex drive and sexual function now.

Im continuing to get gains. I haven't even had the chance to sit back and let this sink in yet really. It's almost like it's to good to be true and has not sunk in yet. 

AND yes the herbs are hitting me harder!! I have been herb cycling probable for about two years now so I know how the herbs I picked  make me feel. They feel the same just a stronger version of how they would normally feel. 

I did not get any gains in digestion and actually have been falling behind on my digestion protocol which as soon as I get back up to speed I think I will feel at about all around 75-80 percent recovered but still contigent upon me taking things like my digestion protocol, daily herb and sleep protocol.

As far as if i will run RU again....im second guessing my self. at the rate i am going I don't think it's worth the risk. Not after a month anyway. Maybe down the road though.

i am surprised no one else is trying RU for three days. We deff need more trials of RU for three days.  As far as I know the three people who took RU for three days., me you and ihatefin his first time all got good results.

 

[TubZy]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3551 time=1509937632 user_id=57]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3486 time=1509833094 user_id=57]
Goose.

I know you where doing pretty good before your RU run but by how much percentage wise over all do you think it improved you ?

do you plan on doing another RU run?

It's hard to give an over all percentage of improvements from ru because my improvements from ru were specific. I would say it put my dick sensitivity from a 20% to a 80%,my biggest improvement from ru. My mood from a 95% to a 110%, better than Pre saw palmetto. Also after RU I feel 100% normal again, like my metabolism, digestion, and all other body functions are in balance again, I was maybe 90% before.

About two weeks after stop ru I didn't notice any more improvements and my labido was still around 10%, orgasms 30%, morning wood 50%, and ejaculate volume 50%. These are my biggest issues I have left.

But the real magic of ru started when I started cycling herbs again. They are a lot stronger after RU. I have started cycling the herbs again 7 days ago. I don't want to jinx my self but my labido and orgasms has jumped up 60% each, for the last 3 days, and my ejaculate strength and volume has increased. My labido has never gone above 10% for the last 6 months so it feels great to finally have a labido again.

I feel like I could go the rest of the way to being 100% on just @Cdsnuts protocol. So I don't know if I will do ru again. I think I will wait and see how far I get with the protocol. My biggest concern right now is weak morning wood.

What about you 5 alpha, what's your plans now? It seems like we both got pretty good results from ru.
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Interesting break downs. The dick sensitivity from 20 to 80 is a huge gain. Actually I'm still seeing improvements and one of the improvements I have seen in the last couple of days is increase dick sensitivity probable from about 10 percent to about 35 percent. I was hit extremely hard in this department. probable one of the worst.

Your mood going above pre PFS is out standing. My mood is better as well but I'm pretty sure that it's directly related to having a somewhat normal sex drive and sexual function now.

Im continuing to get gains. I haven't even had the chance to sit back and let this sink in yet really. It's almost like it's to good to be true and has not sunk in yet. 

AND yes the herbs are hitting me harder!! I have been herb cycling probable for about two years now so I know how the herbs I picked  make me feel. They feel the same just a stronger version of how they would normally feel. 

I did not get any gains in digestion and actually have been falling behind on my digestion protocol which as soon as I get back up to speed I think I will feel at about all around 75-80 percent recovered but still contigent upon me taking things like my digestion protocol, daily herb and sleep protocol.

As far as if i will run RU again....im second guessing my self. at the rate i am going I don't think it's worth the risk. Not after a month anyway. Maybe down the road though.

i am surprised no one else is trying RU for three days. We deff need more trials of RU for three days.  As far as I know the three people who took RU for three days., me you and ihatefin his first time all got good results.
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Are you and [mention]Goose12[/mention] doing pine pollen daily as well with the standard herb cycling?

 

[Goose12]

Are you and @Goose12 doing pine pollen daily as well with the standard herb cycling?

I haven't been taking pine pollen. That's the only herb I have been excluding from CD protocol.

 

[5 alpha]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=3551 time=1509937632 user_id=57]

It's hard to give an over all percentage of improvements from ru because my improvements from ru were specific. I would say it put my dick sensitivity from a 20% to a 80%,my biggest improvement from ru. My mood from a 95% to a 110%, better than Pre saw palmetto. Also after RU I feel 100% normal again, like my metabolism, digestion, and all other body functions are in balance again, I was maybe 90% before.

About two weeks after stop ru I didn't notice any more improvements and my labido was still around 10%, orgasms 30%, morning wood 50%, and ejaculate volume 50%. These are my biggest issues I have left.

But the real magic of ru started when I started cycling herbs again. They are a lot stronger after RU. I have started cycling the herbs again 7 days ago. I don't want to jinx my self but my labido and orgasms has jumped up 60% each, for the last 3 days, and my ejaculate strength and volume has increased. My labido has never gone above 10% for the last 6 months so it feels great to finally have a labido again.

I feel like I could go the rest of the way to being 100% on just @Cdsnuts protocol. So I don't know if I will do ru again. I think I will wait and see how far I get with the protocol. My biggest concern right now is weak morning wood.

What about you 5 alpha, what's your plans now? It seems like we both got pretty good results from ru.

Interesting break downs. The dick sensitivity from 20 to 80 is a huge gain. Actually I'm still seeing improvements and one of the improvements I have seen in the last couple of days is increase dick sensitivity probable from about 10 percent to about 35 percent. I was hit extremely hard in this department. probable one of the worst.

Your mood going above pre PFS is out standing. My mood is better as well but I'm pretty sure that it's directly related to having a somewhat normal sex drive and sexual function now.

Im continuing to get gains. I haven't even had the chance to sit back and let this sink in yet really. It's almost like it's to good to be true and has not sunk in yet. 

AND yes the herbs are hitting me harder!! I have been herb cycling probable for about two years now so I know how the herbs I picked  make me feel. They feel the same just a stronger version of how they would normally feel. 

I did not get any gains in digestion and actually have been falling behind on my digestion protocol which as soon as I get back up to speed I think I will feel at about all around 75-80 percent recovered but still contigent upon me taking things like my digestion protocol, daily herb and sleep protocol.

As far as if i will run RU again....im second guessing my self. at the rate i am going I don't think it's worth the risk. Not after a month anyway. Maybe down the road though.

i am surprised no one else is trying RU for three days. We deff need more trials of RU for three days.  As far as I know the three people who took RU for three days., me you and ihatefin his first time all got good results.

Are you and @Goose12 doing pine pollen daily as well with the standard herb cycling?
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I'm not doing the pine pollen daily. I tried pine pollen daily with the herb cycling at one point and it did not agree with me. It gave me digestive issues that came on speed/feeling wise in a way that was similar to how my digestive issues started when I did my second run of Saw P while already having PFS.

it's one of those things when you take something that messes you up, you never forgot how it felt and how what ever problem you now have transpired. The digestive issues I felt on the table spoon of pine pollen per day just felt too similar to what I experienced on Saw P. perhaps it was unrelated and my mind was playing tricks on me because before jumping on the pine pollen I read that pine pollen has a plant sterol in it that was shown in a couple of studies to be a 5ar inhibitor....

but to play it safe I stay away.

 

[Goose12]

Update: I figured I would post an update. Since my last post I have played around with some of gbolduev protocols.

While doing CDnuts herb cycle I took copper, magnesium, and potassium for 4 or 5 days. Right away any morning wood went away, my labido dropped, I got dark circles around my eyes, and slight pressure around my liver. The latter two symptoms I had gotten rid of a long time ago with vitamin c, Enerfoods, and worm wood. I know vitamin C chelates copper so I came to the conclusion my body has a hard time utilizing copper for estrogen production.

I then stopped taking everything and started taking 10mg of manganese and 40mg of zinc and in a day or two I returned to my previous baseline. After 3 days I added resveratrol to the mix, the idea being I needed to increase my estrogen sensitivity so my body can use copper. The next day my labido jumped up maybe 5 to 10% and I had really good morning wood. Also around this time the dark circles under my eyes went away and so did the liver pressure.

My experience so far concreted the idea that I have issues with estrogen sensitivity. I began reading through gbolduev old posts to see if there was anything that could help. I found one of his protocols recommending RU followed by resveratrol and thorn extra which sounded pretty good to me because I know I respond good to both. Gbolduev also mentioned that resveratrol is a better version of CDnuts herbs and to cycle resveratrol. I am still a believer in CDnuts protocol and believe the herbs work on more levels than just increasing estrogen sensitivity.

So I started RU Nov. 28. I did three days at 25mg. The third day on RU I had a slight boost in labido and started noticing dht scalp itch, which was a good surprise. On the first evening off RU I started getting elevated prolactin headaches just like my previous cycle but they were less severe. I might of thought nothing of it if I wasn't looking for it. I took l dopa and the headaches went away just like my first cycle.

This experience proved that 25mg of RU is superior to 50mg of my first cycle. I have been off for three days now and have been taking Thorne extra and trans resveratrol. I am feeling really good and have been having strong morning wood so far. I am hoping for a boost in the labido that sticks.

Most of the benefits from my first run of ru stuck except my labido boost but it returned to a point above baseline.

 

[wuf]

Update: I figured I would post an update. Since my last post I have played around with some of gbolduev protocols.

While doing CDnuts herb cycle I took copper, magnesium, and potassium for 4 or 5 days. Right away any morning wood went away, my labido dropped, I got dark circles around my eyes, and slight pressure around my liver. The latter two symptoms I had gotten rid of a long time ago with vitamin c, Enerfoods, and worm wood. I know vitamin C chelates copper so I came to the conclusion my body has a hard time utilizing copper for estrogen production.

I then stopped taking everything and started taking 10mg of manganese and 40mg of zinc and in a day or two I returned to my previous baseline. After 3 days I added resveratrol to the mix, the idea being I needed to increase my estrogen sensitivity so my body can use copper. The next day my labido jumped up maybe 5 to 10% and I had really good morning wood. Also around this time the dark circles under my eyes went away and so did the liver pressure.

My experience so far concreted the idea that I have issues with estrogen sensitivity. I began reading through gbolduev old posts to see if there was anything that could help. I found one of his protocols recommending RU followed by resveratrol and thorn extra which sounded pretty good to me because I know I respond good to both. Gbolduev also mentioned that resveratrol is a better version of CDnuts herbs and to cycle resveratrol. I am still a believer in CDnuts protocol and believe the herbs work on more levels than just increasing estrogen sensitivity.

So I started RU Nov. 28. I did three days at 25mg. The third day on RU I had a slight boost in labido and started noticing dht scalp itch, which was a good surprise. On the first evening off RU I started getting elevated prolactin headaches just like my previous cycle but they were less severe. I might of thought nothing of it if I wasn't looking for it. I took l dopa and the headaches went away just like my first cycle.

This experience proved that 25mg of RU is superior to 50mg of my first cycle. I have been off for three days now and have been taking Thorne extra and trans resveratrol. I am feeling really good and have been having strong morning wood so far. I am hoping for a boost in the labido that sticks.

Most of the benefits from my first run of ru stuck except my labido boost but it returned to a point above baseline.

I guess I am in your same situation. I took copper, magnesium, and potassium for 1 day and got the same symptoms as you. Do you think I should also try manganese+zinc?
Thanks

 

[Goose12]

I guess I am in your same situation. I took copper, magnesium, and potassium for 1 day and got the same symptoms as you. Do you think I should also try manganese+zinc?
Thanks

Yes, I think it could help. If it's helping you should notice positive effects in a day or two. You could even add resveratrol later to see if there are added benefits.

 

[wuf]

I guess I am in your same situation. I took copper, magnesium, and potassium for 1 day and got the same symptoms as you. Do you think I should also try manganese+zinc?
Thanks

Yes, I think it could help. If it's helping you should notice positive effects in a day or two. You could even add resveratrol later to see if there are added benefits.

OK. I will try. Thanks

 

[Goose12]

Another update: everything so far has been going good. I didn't get as much as a snap back from ru as I did the first time running it but I still got some benefits.

I know I said before that personality wise I was 100% percent but lately I realized that statement wasn't completely true. With in the last couple of weeks my personality has come back, I can enjoy the same things I use to enjoy, I can get really pissed like I use to, and really happy. Just yesterday some things happened and I got so pissed off I was trying to come my self down and I realized I haven't felt like this in a long time, and it was nice lol. Previously, after my r Andro run my an anxiety completely went away and anxiety wise I was back to normal and I thought my experiences had given me my new personality.

I thought I just didn't like the same things any more. An example is music, my taste in music changed and I started listening to more pop music and indie rock, but lately I have been enjoying the same old music I use to listen to, more alternative rock and hard rock. At first I didn't notice all of these changes but know I am realizing I am becoming the same person I use to be a year ago. For better and worst, my old eating habits are coming back and sticking to Paleo honestly feels impossible but I know I need to suck it up and do it.

My digestion for the last month or two has been nearly perfect. I can literally eat what ever I want and as much as I want. In the beginning I had a hard time digesting protein, which goes in line with what @gbolduev says about alkalosis. Also I use to breath really shallow and hyperventilate, which goes along with alkalosis. Another thing I noticed is I produce a lot more body heat again, like I did before my crash. When I first crashed I couldn't stand the cold, but it was kind of nice in the summer because I tolerated the heat a lot better.

I have come pretty far from where I was when I first crashed, and I still can't believe saw palmetto did this to me. I know @Cdsnuts protocol and ru is attribute to my progress so far because I tried to ignore it for the first six months and things where just getting worse. Progress on my mood and digestion has been the quickest and my progress on my sexual sides have been really slow. Just when I get discouraged on my sexual progress I compare myself to a month ago and I can see the progress.

I think my next step is to keep doing zinc mineral protocol with Histadine, with some herbs thrown in, and hlc. In couple weeks I might add Ace or jump on r Andro again. I realize the more I get out of alkalosis the better I feel.

Sorry for the long post, I was mostly just talking out of my head and wanting get this off my chest.

I also want to say thank you to everyone on the forum for there support, adding there experiences to the forum, and everyone working together to solve this. I especially want to thank @TubZy, @gbolduev, and @CDnuts.

 

[IHateFin]

Another update: everything so far has been going good. I didn't get as much as a snap back from ru as I did the first time running it but I still got some benefits.

I know I said before that personality wise I was 100% percent but lately I realized that statement wasn't completely true. With in the last couple of weeks my personality has come back, I can enjoy the same things I use to enjoy, I can get really pissed like I use to, and really happy. Just yesterday some things happened and I got so pissed off I was trying to come my self down and I realized I haven't felt like this in a long time, and it was nice lol. Previously, after my r Andro run my an anxiety completely went away and anxiety wise I was back to normal and I thought my experiences had given me my new personality.

I thought I just didn't like the same things any more. An example is music, my taste in music changed and I started listening to more pop music and indie rock, but lately I have been enjoying the same old music I use to listen to, more alternative rock and hard rock. At first I didn't notice all of these changes but know I am realizing I am becoming the same person I use to be a year ago. For better and worst, my old eating habits are coming back and sticking to Paleo honestly feels impossible but I know I need to suck it up and do it.

My digestion for the last month or two has been nearly perfect. I can literally eat what ever I want and as much as I want. In the beginning I had a hard time digesting protein, which goes in line with what @gbolduev says about alkalosis. Also I use to breath really shallow and hyperventilate, which goes along with alkalosis. Another thing I noticed is I produce a lot more body heat again, like I did before my crash. When I first crashed I couldn't stand the cold, but it was kind of nice in the summer because I tolerated the heat a lot better.

I have come pretty far from where I was when I first crashed, and I still can't believe saw palmetto did this to me. I know @Cdsnuts protocol and ru is attribute to my progress so far because I tried to ignore it for the first six months and things where just getting worse. Progress on my mood and digestion has been the quickest and my progress on my sexual sides have been really slow. Just when I get discouraged on my sexual progress I compare myself to a month ago and I can see the progress.

I think my next step is to keep doing zinc mineral protocol with Histadine, with some herbs thrown in, and hlc. In couple weeks I might add Ace or jump on r Andro again. I realize the more I get out of alkalosis the better I feel.

Sorry for the long post, I was mostly just talking out of my head and wanting get this off my chest.

I also want to say thank you to everyone on the forum for there support, adding there experiences to the forum, and everyone working together to solve this. I especially want to thank @TubZy, @gbolduev, and @CDnuts.

this is fantastic results, man! i think any of those next steps will be a great choice as ru really puts your body back on track forcefully.
im in favor of another shot at Randro, but i may be biased as i basically did something almost identical to you, but difference is you got 100 fold more out of your 2nd ru cycle than i did. youre going up from here either way man!

look at this forum go!!! gotta love it haha

 

[TubZy]

Another update: everything so far has been going good. I didn't get as much as a snap back from ru as I did the first time running it but I still got some benefits.

I know I said before that personality wise I was 100% percent but lately I realized that statement wasn't completely true. With in the last couple of weeks my personality has come back, I can enjoy the same things I use to enjoy, I can get really pissed like I use to, and really happy. Just yesterday some things happened and I got so pissed off I was trying to come my self down and I realized I haven't felt like this in a long time, and it was nice lol. Previously, after my r Andro run my an anxiety completely went away and anxiety wise I was back to normal and I thought my experiences had given me my new personality.

I thought I just didn't like the same things any more. An example is music, my taste in music changed and I started listening to more pop music and indie rock, but lately I have been enjoying the same old music I use to listen to, more alternative rock and hard rock. At first I didn't notice all of these changes but know I am realizing I am becoming the same person I use to be a year ago. For better and worst, my old eating habits are coming back and sticking to Paleo honestly feels impossible but I know I need to suck it up and do it.

My digestion for the last month or two has been nearly perfect. I can literally eat what ever I want and as much as I want. In the beginning I had a hard time digesting protein, which goes in line with what @gbolduev says about alkalosis. Also I use to breath really shallow and hyperventilate, which goes along with alkalosis. Another thing I noticed is I produce a lot more body heat again, like I did before my crash. When I first crashed I couldn't stand the cold, but it was kind of nice in the summer because I tolerated the heat a lot better.

I have come pretty far from where I was when I first crashed, and I still can't believe saw palmetto did this to me. I know @Cdsnuts protocol and ru is attribute to my progress so far because I tried to ignore it for the first six months and things where just getting worse. Progress on my mood and digestion has been the quickest and my progress on my sexual sides have been really slow. Just when I get discouraged on my sexual progress I compare myself to a month ago and I can see the progress.

I think my next step is to keep doing zinc mineral protocol with Histadine, with some herbs thrown in, and hlc. In couple weeks I might add Ace or jump on r Andro again. I realize the more I get out of alkalosis the better I feel.

Sorry for the long post, I was mostly just talking out of my head and wanting get this off my chest.

I also want to say thank you to everyone on the forum for there support, adding there experiences to the forum, and everyone working together to solve this. I especially want to thank @TubZy, @gbolduev, and @CDnuts.

Just saw this man, congrats brother @Goose12 , glad you are doing well you are at the finish line. Yeah dude music is the most noticeable thing, music sounds like shit in PFS but once you start feeling better and reverse symptoms, music is like 20x better, even music you aren't even interested in.

This past month there have been huge improvements and even reversals with multiple people, I'm ready for this shit to be completely resolved for good

 

[bruschi11]

Awesome @Goose12 !

And @TubZy every single pfs victim should be on this site studying and learning gbold’s stuff.
It works and it’s insane not to give it a shot. We have pfs- “an incurable disease.” And these protocols are improving many more of us than not significantly!

 

[Goose12]

Thanks guy's for your support. The last couple of weeks I have been feeling great. I am still not cured completely in the labido department but everything else is great.

The best improvement this time around from ru is that it has completely gotten rid of my CFS. It has honestly been something I have had almost all my life. The only time I don't remember having it was before I started elementary school, when I was a little kid.

The last two weeks it has gone away and I feel great. I just hope it sticks. Before this I would just have better days than others and for longest time I thought it was normal.

I am planning to do Histadine protocol next.

 

[TubZy]

Thanks guy's for your support. The last couple of weeks I have been feeling great. I am still not cured completely in the labido department but everything else is great.

The best improvement this time around from ru is that it has completely gotten rid of my CFS. It has honestly been something I have had almost all my life. The only time I don't remember having it was before I started elementary school, when I was a little kid.

The last two weeks it has gone away and I feel great. I just hope it sticks. Before this I would just have better days than others and for longest time I thought it was normal.

I am planning to do Histadine protocol next.

Sounds good. Keep us posted when you start zinc finger. That completely fixed my libido and many others which you probably saw in the thread

 

[jacknap]

Just saw this man, congrats brother @Goose12 , glad you are doing well you are at the finish line. Yeah dude music is the most noticeable thing, music sounds like **** in PFS but once you start feeling better and reverse symptoms, music is like 20x better, even music you aren't even interested in.

This past month there have been huge improvements and even reversals with multiple people, I'm ready for this **** to be completely resolved for good

i notice this too. I get crazy emotional over songs now. I guess my body missed the 'feelings'.

 

[IHateFin]

Thanks guy's for your support. The last couple of weeks I have been feeling great. I am still not cured completely in the labido department but everything else is great.

The best improvement this time around from ru is that it has completely gotten rid of my CFS. It has honestly been something I have had almost all my life. The only time I don't remember having it was before I started elementary school, when I was a little kid.

The last two weeks it has gone away and I feel great. I just hope it sticks. Before this I would just have better days than others and for longest time I thought it was normal.

I am planning to do Histadine protocol next.

heck yeah man!!! thats good to hear! RU has the added benefit of upregulating the HPA so im glad youre going strong from it. at this point i would say the gains are here to stay.

 

[Goose12]

Update

Since my last update I have been on the electrolyte protocol the whole time, I was on whey and Pottassium chloride even before my last post but since then I have added everything else to the protocol. The addition of magnesium and other hcl didn't have any added effects. If anything adding beatine to the protocol made feel worse. It made me feel really off, like I was almost crashing again, so I stopped taking it and replaced it with hcl histadine.

I really like the electrolyte protocol, it helped me with energy and digestion. I feel like the protocol should be a foundation for everyone battling pfs, pssd, and pas.

I have also been cycling zinc finger on and off lately. I responded really poorly to copper, and zinc and it's cofactors helped put me back at my previous baseline after my trial with copper. I noticed if I cycle it the benfits are more noticeable, for example stronger morning wood and a boost in labido.

Since my last post I have cycled ella, ru, and I am currently on a prog ru cycle. I did my 3rd cycle of RU at 5mgs for 4 days and didn't notice much.

I did ella at 6mgs for 4 days and for 4 or 5 days had a nice boost in labido but labido eventually dropped back down to my previous baseline. Improvements that did stick is my skin isn't as dry, my testicles are not rock hard all the time, and after orgasms my erection sticks around for at least couple of minutes like prefin.

Also within the last couple of months I have tried jumping on r andro twice. I get really good labido for a couple of days but eventually it crushes my labido to nothing. I believe this is because I need to get my estrogen working again.

Currently this is my second day of RU and prog and I have been doing the electrolyte protocol with it. This is my 4th cycle of RU, but this is my first time taking progesterone with it. I don't want to speak to soon because I know how things go up and down but I feel great on prog and ru already. This is probably the best thing I have tried so far and I feel really close to prefin. I just hope it doesn't backfire but I am reaching new highs already.

 

[Niles]

Update

Since my last update I have been on the electrolyte protocol the whole time, I was on whey and Pottassium chloride even before my last post but since then I have added everything else to the protocol. The addition of magnesium and other hcl didn't have any added effects. If anything adding beatine to the protocol made feel worse. It made me feel really off, like I was almost crashing again, so I stopped taking it and replaced it with hcl histadine.

I really like the electrolyte protocol, it helped me with energy and digestion. I feel like the protocol should be a foundation for everyone battling pfs, pssd, and pas.

I have also been cycling zinc finger on and off lately. I responded really poorly to copper, and zinc and it's cofactors helped put me back at my previous baseline after my trial with copper. I noticed if I cycle it the benfits are more noticeable, for example stronger morning wood and a boost in labido.

Since my last post I have cycled ella, ru, and I am currently on a prog ru cycle. I did my 3rd cycle of RU at 5mgs for 4 days and didn't notice much.

I did ella at 6mgs for 4 days and for 4 or 5 days had a nice boost in labido but labido eventually dropped back down to my previous baseline. Improvements that did stick is my skin isn't as dry, my testicles are not rock hard all the time, and after orgasms my erection sticks around for at least couple of minutes like prefin.

Also within the last couple of months I have tried jumping on r andro twice. I get really good labido for a couple of days but eventually it crushes my labido to nothing. I believe this is because I need to get my estrogen working again.

Currently this is my second day of RU and prog and I have been doing the electrolyte protocol with it. This is my 4th cycle of RU, but this is my first time taking progesterone with it. I don't want to speak to soon because I know how things go up and down but I feel great on prog and ru already. This is probably the best thing I have tried so far and I feel really close to prefin. I just hope it doesn't backfire but I am reaching new highs already.

What doses of RU and prog are you on?

 

[bruschi11]

I believe he's doing something similar to what I proposed like 25mg RU for 3, 4 days while taking 5mg prog and continuing with the prog for 10 or so days after.

This is exciting in terms of "drug route." 2 of us now with really good effects with this strategy batting 1000%. But GBOLD will tell you it won't stick in most cases so I think its important we continue to go balance route after doing this.

I'm considering this coming up. We'll see, I'm just so pumped my fatigue is doing great right now and I don't want to mess with it.

 

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What doses of RU and prog are you on?

3 days at 50mg of ru, and around 10mgs of prog with ru and tapering down post ru.

I feel like I do best with 50mgs of ru. I have also tried 25mg cycle, and 5mg cycle.