Got estrogen bloodwork while on RU486

[Willylong98]

Well I got my new results back. E2 came down from 11000 to 400 (<160) so I’m not sure if it’s actually kinda high or if it was still just leftover RU in my system. The first blood test was two days after stopping RU and the new results are 9 days after stopping RU.

 

[bruschi11]

RU is still in your system. It has a super long half life.

 

[Willylong98]

RU is still in your system. It has a super long half life.

That makes sense. Thanks man.

 

[bruschi11]

Don’t get me wrong I agree, but I still don’t see what’s stopping me from accomplishing that while self administering testosterone? I use them because I am a bodybuilder and plan on making a career out of it. What would you recommend I should start doing to better my situation besides RU while on trt? I get regular bloodwork and take vitamin d b12 and probiotics. I have zinc copper magnesium cysteine histidine but don’t know what to do with anything or where to start. If I could cure myself then I would come off of trt but until then I’m gonna keep using , is that really that bad? I appreciate the help sorry for being salty earlier

Well I got my new results back. E2 came down from 11000 to 400 (<160) so I’m not sure if it’s actually kinda high or if it was still just leftover RU in my system. The first blood test was two days after stopping RU and the new results are 9 days after stopping RU.

I will quote something I used on solvepfs for a dude with similar issue to you who continues to get worse and worse while taking TRT......

"If you put the body in the best place possible to fix this imbalance you can very well do so over time. But you are wrong when you say “TRT can’t make it worse.” Everything effects everything- this is the biggest thinly I’ve ever learned in health. The body isn’t going to go back to normal when you’re synthetically flooding a major pathway. It’s unnatural.

You are very lucky you are healthy and feel well for most part. That’s huge! You’re probably ahead of me in healing and can better faster than I can. But it has to take the right steps to do so. I just can’t see you healing quickly here while using synthetic T.

I will say this- you might go impotent for a short time If you stop T. Your life may take a hit, you might be scared as all hell Hpta doesn’t come back. You can do it though. I did it. Just get through it- it might be a couple weeks or so but you’ll be fine. Know that what you’re doing will lead you to getting yourself back! That’s all you want right? Getting yourself back!"

Gotta realize that all you have with PFS is an imbalance. The body will go back to balance under the right conditions. For me its happening- and its awesome. But it takes some work- and honestly its not as much as it sounds.

You're young- have the hair test done. Maybe just run RU/prog but do it while not taking TRT before anything if you are looking for a drug route out. But get off the TRT first and foremost immediately and don't look back!!!! I didn't now look at me- I'm just an impotent dude because I tried to do a big ski jump and fell. The pfs ain't holding me back from sex, only a couple more weeks mending this testicle baby!!!!!

 

[Willylong98]

I will quote something I used on solvepfs for a dude with similar issue to you who continues to get worse and worse while taking TRT......

"If you put the body in the best place possible to fix this imbalance you can very well do so over time. But you are wrong when you say “TRT can’t make it worse.” Everything effects everything- this is the biggest thinly I’ve ever learned in health. The body isn’t going to go back to normal when you’re synthetically flooding a major pathway. It’s unnatural.

You are very lucky you are healthy and feel well for most part. That’s huge! You’re probably ahead of me in healing and can better faster than I can. But it has to take the right steps to do so. I just can’t see you healing quickly here while using synthetic T.

I will say this- you might go impotent for a short time If you stop T. Your life may take a hit, you might be scared as all hell Hpta doesn’t come back. You can do it though. I did it. Just get through it- it might be a couple weeks or so but you’ll be fine. Know that what you’re doing will lead you to getting yourself back! That’s all you want right? Getting yourself back!"

But I feel way better on trt man. Like way better.

 

[Willylong98]

I will quote something I used on solvepfs for a dude with similar issue to you who continues to get worse and worse while taking TRT......

"If you put the body in the best place possible to fix this imbalance you can very well do so over time. But you are wrong when you say “TRT can’t make it worse.” Everything effects everything- this is the biggest thinly I’ve ever learned in health. The body isn’t going to go back to normal when you’re synthetically flooding a major pathway. It’s unnatural.

You are very lucky you are healthy and feel well for most part. That’s huge! You’re probably ahead of me in healing and can better faster than I can. But it has to take the right steps to do so. I just can’t see you healing quickly here while using synthetic T.

I will say this- you might go impotent for a short time If you stop T. Your life may take a hit, you might be scared as all hell Hpta doesn’t come back. You can do it though. I did it. Just get through it- it might be a couple weeks or so but you’ll be fine. Know that what you’re doing will lead you to getting yourself back! That’s all you want right? Getting yourself back!"

Gotta realize that all you have with PFS is an imbalance. The body will go back to balance under the right conditions. For me its happening- and its awesome. But it takes some work- and honestly its not as much as it sounds.

You're young- have the hair test done. Maybe just run RU/prog but do it while not taking TRT before anything if you are looking for a drug route out. But get off the TRT first and foremost immediately and don't look back!!!! I didn't now look at me- I'm just an impotent dude because I tried to do a big ski jump and fell. The pfs ain't holding me back from sex, only a couple more weeks mending this testicle baby!!!!!

I had high natural test and as soon as I injected syntethic test I felt better and can get a boner any second of the day. So maybe something was wrong with my natural test pathways. I came off for 4 months completely just until the end of this January, I felt awful the entire time despite cycling herbs, used a doctors PCT protocol and everything. I fucked my testosterone from abusing steroids for bodybuilding consequences. I have to stay on Test to enjoy life

 

[TubZy]

Honestly, if you are dead set on taking a band aid and that is your plan you are better taking test with deca or maybe even just deca to feel better. Deca is a progestin just like finasteride.

I would even give naltrexone a shot as well, maybe in higher doses and see how you feel.

 

[Willylong98]

Honestly, if you are dead set on taking a band aid and that is your plan you are better taking test with deca or maybe even just deca to feel better. Deca is a protesting just like finasteride.

I would even give naltrexone a shot as well, maybe in higher doses and see how you feel.

Really eh? I actually will try that because kat year I ran MENT which is a 19-nor similar to Deca and that was my best libido by far, I remember that was like literally as close to I got as recovered but only used it for two weeks. I have Pharma prami on me so maybe I should trial Deca,

 

[IHateFin]

Really eh? I actually will try that because kat year I ran MENT which is a 19-nor similar to Deca and that was my best libido by far, I remember that was like literally as close to I got as recovered but only used it for two weeks. I have Pharma prami on me so maybe I should trial Deca,

this is not a bad band aid haha i also approve. you could even try test cyp with 300 to 600mg of masteron (dht) split doses a week with ru486 25mg twice a week. this should also be a way to band aid, but do it in a way that doesn't further go down the finasteride rabbit hole

 

[bruschi11]

I think its insane for someone who is 20 years old not to emulate what we are doing on this forum getting back to balance rather than use a band aid. Lol 20 years old dude you have a full life time ahead of you.

Get off the stuff and do it right. You probably will go band aid route for next 6 months and get frustrated then finally take the right route. I mean, you're eventually going to make the right decision lol you're not that stupid, but seriously you should just jump all in now.

 

[Helen]

I had high natural test and as soon as I injected syntethic test I felt better and can get a boner any second of the day. So maybe something was wrong with my natural test pathways. I came off for 4 months completely just until the end of this January, I felt awful the entire time despite cycling herbs, used a doctors PCT protocol and everything. I fucked my testosterone from abusing steroids for bodybuilding consequences. I have to stay on Test to enjoy life

If you take testosterone, you need to take progesterone. not RU. testosterone suppresses your progesterone and makes you fat ugly and old. I always rec people who are crazy enough to do testosterone, to always do it with progesterone. All my friends powerlifters are on it.

Test with cabergoline is another way.
RU should not be taken with test cycles. Ru is for a different reason.

 

[Willylong98]

If you take testosterone, you need to take progesterone. not RU. testosterone suppresses your progesterone and makes you fat ugly and old. I always rec people who are crazy enough to do testosterone, to always do it with progesterone. All my friends powerlifters are on it.

Test with carebgoline is another way.
RU should not be taken with test cycles. Ru is for a different reason.

Ok thank you but what form of progesterone are your power lifter friends on? Deca?

 

[Willylong98]

If you take testosterone, you need to take progesterone. not RU. testosterone suppresses your progesterone and makes you fat ugly and old. I always rec people who are crazy enough to do testosterone, to always do it with progesterone. All my friends powerlifters are on it.

Test with carebgoline is another way.
RU should not be taken with test cycles. Ru is for a different reason.

Should I try deca? Or take like Oral progesterone pills

 

[Helen]

dont use deca. no reason. just reg prog/ not progestins. progesterone, you can use cream / Just play with it. give a little bit of it and see how you do.

 

[TubZy]

Really eh? I actually will try that because kat year I ran MENT which is a 19-nor similar to Deca and that was my best libido by far, I remember that was like literally as close to I got as recovered but only used it for two weeks. I have Pharma prami on me so maybe I should trial Deca,

Yeah, I think there is a prohormone still out that converts to nandrolone too.
19-Nor Andro by Gen X Labs

But like @gbolduev said try Test + progesterone. Honestly, I don't know anyone else that tried this combo whether pfs or bodybuilding purposes so it would be good to get some anecdotal feedback.

 

[IHateFin]

What about Ella and trt? Since it actually selectively activates prog

 

[Willylong98]

What about Ella and trt? Since it actually selectively activates prog

I have Ella but have never used it. If it makes sense I’ll try it let me know

 

[TubZy]

Should I try deca? Or take like Oral progesterone pills

Willy, for what it is worth, this guy has been doing test and deca for many years and every time he tries to come off, he is back to square one again although his symptoms did mostly resolve why he is using it. I know you want a bandaid, but I think it will be super hard to recover your baseline if you just decide to stay on hormones. You should try something natural to bring up T and use ella or RU while not on TRT.

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[Willylong98]

Willy, for what it is worth, this guy has been doing test and deca for many years and every time he tries to come off, he is back to square one again although his symptoms did mostly resolve why he is using it. I know you want a bandaid, but I think it will be super hard to recover your baseline if you just decide to stay on hormones. You should try something natural to bring up T and use ella or RU while not on TRT.

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Thanks man. I’m going to be trying it real soon. I also plan on coming off trt later this year and using RU again and possibly Ella while on my trt regimen. Libido is up this week 7 on trt and have had amazing drink sex with my girlfriend. Able to get very horny in the moment which I haven’t for a long while

 

[TubZy]

Thanks man. I’m going to be trying it real soon. I also plan on coming off trt later this year and using RU again and possibly Ella while on my trt regimen. Libido is up this week 7 on trt and have had amazing drink sex with my girlfriend. Able to get very horny in the moment which I haven’t for a long while

What else are you using with the test right now?