HIGH and LOW DHT and PFS cases ( protocols , explanations, theories)

[freeflow]

Yeah, this is why people who truly recovered from PFS all got bald.

Like Cdnuts, Lightatheend, Cytrochrome,JustquitDut. All went bald.

Yeah, this is why people who truly recovered from PFS all got bald.

Like Cdnuts, Lightatheend, Cytrochrome,JustquitDut. All went bald.

Whats strange that on my first round of TEI i had parapack and vitamen E as well. Just with other additional supplements, like min plex B, and magnesium and the digestive enzyme. And i didnt get the hairloss, I got very good regrowth and also no apathy and depression like this. Actually It put me into fast 4 bodychemistry with dry eyes but had better motivation and better mood. Then i slipped back into slow 4 again and got this parapack and E vitamin recommendation only and developed crazy hairloss.

 

[freeflow]

But freeflow's hairloss on supps seems different, right !!! He seems to have what one would call protein-wasting/extreme catabolic hairloss . The people with MPB/Androgenetic alopecia doesn't seem to have this extreme muscle wasting/catabolism

I have the androgenic one. If i didnt have PFS i wouldnt be in catabolism. I was very very anabolic pre pfs and even on fin. I won amateur bodybuilding 3 months transformation competitions, 2 times even.

 

[Helen]

Whats strange that on my first round of TEI i had parapack and vitamen E as well. Just with other additional supplements, like min plex B, and magnesium and the digestive enzyme. And i didnt get the hairloss, I got very good regrowth and also no apathy and depression like this. Actually It put me into fast 4 bodychemistry with dry eyes but had better motivation and better mood. Then i slipped back into slow 4 again and got this parapack and E vitamin recommendation only and developed crazy hairloss.

are you 4 lows?

 

[freeflow]

are you 4 lows?

4 highs.

 

[Helen]

4 highs.

So you went from 4 highs , slow, to 4 highs fast?

 

[freeflow]

you said you slipped back into the 4 lows

I wrote slow 4. The tei category. Increased adrenals and thyroid with slow oxidation.

 

[Helen]

I wrote slow 4. The tei category. Increased adrenals and thyroid with slow oxidation.

I guess may be this happened since they gave you chromium in first supplements, which increased your insulin action

 

[freeflow]

I guess may be this happened since they gave you chromium in first supplements, which increased your insulin action

You mean the hairloss didnt happen on those supplements? yes there was chromium too, and I felt quite good.

 

[dante]

I have the androgenic one. If i didnt have PFS i wouldnt be in catabolism. I was very very anabolic pre pfs and even on fin. I won amateur bodybuilding 3 months transformation competitions, 2 times even.

I meant your current hairloss where you lost your regrown hair which coincides with your muscle wasting

My mood went insanely shit on these 4 capsules, muscles became very weak, catabolism, depression and anger, really really unbearable.

 

[wuf]

Yeah, this is why people who truly recovered from PFS all got bald.

Like Cdnuts, Lightatheend, Cytrochrome,JustquitDut. All went bald.

I want to get/be bald!!!!))))

 

[freeflow]

I meant your current hairloss where you lost your regrown hair which coincides with your muscle wasting

No man, muscle wasting is from increased androgens and pfs combined. Also hairloss. Without pfs with this androgen levels i would be building muscle.

 

[RebelWithACause]

You will probably go through a few bad body chemistry's. Deal with it and push through. Maybe make this cycle shorter like 2 months instead of 3. Get retest and see what changed.

I think I never had high DHT. I also crashed while on finasteride not off it after a stressful event. I have no hairloss right now in the second cycle. Same for the first one. Only time I had hairloss was on DBOL trying to fix PFS and before taking finasteride. But I was also not eating great back then. Lived the party lifestyle.

We will see. If I feel good, have good healthy libido, no brainfog, motivation, erections I see myself as cured. Wether this is with hairloss or not.

 

[sanka]

Im thinking, if there are so fast changes, it wouldnt be better to do the retest every 45 days instrad of 90 days? Or 60 days i dint know, may be that will help

 

[Ingeno]

The premature ejaculation could be from too low histamine levels.

Histamine receptor could be super sensitive, and then during sex , histamine gets released and boom reaction.

if NADPH is low, this would decrease tetrafolate and this will lower histidine.

As you said, you genetically make little DHT.

this means that probably you are genetically g6pd deficient. this means you make very little NADPH as it is.

May be this is why you crashed on finasteride.


If you genetically had low DHT, question is why you took Finasteride. Finasteride is to lower high DHT.



this is why many people with g6pd deficiency CRASH on finasteride WHILE ON IT and not off.

we have at least 20% on propeciahelp who crashed WHILE ON FINASTERIDE since finasterid kept binding their NADPH and they could not make more of it , since they were g6pd to start with.


And their hairloss situation is from lack of BH4, which is made by Tetrafolate))) and

and they never needed FINASTERIDE in the first place

The hairloss happens when you dont make nitric oxide. if you are g6pd deficient genetically you make very little NADPH.

and this decreases your tetrafolate and folinic acid. which basically tells your HAIR To grow. folinic acid makes DNA.

this is why folinic acid is used to restore hair after people use drugs that kill NADPH for cancer


And if someone is g6pd deficient , then this someone genetically will make very little DHT. and at the same time. that someone will have hairloss

since you make very little NADPH which has your folinic acid very LOW. and thus you have very low BH4 which is cofactor in eNOS.

This sounds like me exactly. Is it even possible for TEI to fix genetically deficiency? I mean what is TEI gonna do about it if the body is predestined to make very little NADPH?

Yeah, this is why people who truly recovered from PFS all got bald.

Like Cdnuts, Lightatheend, Cytrochrome,JustquitDut. All went bald.

Cured from PFS, but not balanced right? I mean being balanced should provide hair growth, not hair loss in the end?

 

[brix]

The premature ejaculation could be from too low histamine levels.

Histamine receptor could be super sensitive, and then during sex , histamine gets released and boom reaction.

if NADPH is low, this would decrease tetrafolate and this will lower histidine.

As you said, you genetically make little DHT.

this means that probably you are genetically g6pd deficient. this means you make very little NADPH as it is.

May be this is why you crashed on finasteride.


If you genetically had low DHT, question is why you took Finasteride. Finasteride is to lower high DHT.



this is why many people with g6pd deficiency CRASH on finasteride WHILE ON IT and not off.

we have at least 20% on propeciahelp who crashed WHILE ON FINASTERIDE since finasterid kept binding their NADPH and they could not make more of it , since they were g6pd to start with.


And their hairloss situation is from lack of BH4, which is made by Tetrafolate))) and

and they never needed FINASTERIDE in the first place

The hairloss happens when you dont make nitric oxide. if you are g6pd deficient genetically you make very little NADPH.

and this decreases your tetrafolate and folinic acid. which basically tells your HAIR To grow. folinic acid makes DNA.

this is why folinic acid is used to restore hair after people use drugs that kill NADPH for cancer


And if someone is g6pd deficient , then this someone genetically will make very little DHT. and at the same time. that someone will have hairloss

since you make very little NADPH which has your folinic acid very LOW. and thus you have very low BH4 which is cofactor in eNOS.

This describes me well. Sounds like fast oxidizers with low DHT. Fin didn’t stop my hair loss and crashed while on. Also have premature ejaculation, which I thought had to do with HIGH histamine, not low. So you think folinic acid is good for this case?

 

[Helen]

I am still thinking about all of this. since now I figured that tons of people actually crashed ON FIN , and not after coming off.

 

[hairsuit]

This describes me well. Sounds like fast oxidizers with low DHT. Fin didn’t stop my hair loss and crashed while on. Also have premature ejaculation, which I thought had to do with HIGH histamine, not low. So you think folinic acid is good for this case?

Exactly.... except Fin did work really well for me for about a decade

 

[brix]

Exactly.... except Fin did work really well for me for about a decade

Yeah I don’t have classic mpb pattern. I’ve lost some hair line over last 9 years, but no crown whatsoever. Thinning all over too.

 

[Admiral]

Yeah I don’t have classic mpb pattern. I’ve lost some hair line over last 9 years, but no crown whatsoever. Thinning all over too.

Same!

 

[brix]

Same!

Yeah we are very similar. Fast oxidizer low androgen. Hmmm.