hopeforrecovery log

[IHateFin]

What does chelate copper mean and how should i do it?

I think it means to lower copper by deactivating it

 

[hopeforrecovery]

I think it means to lower copper by deactivating it

How to do that? I mean with which Medication or supplement?

 

[IHateFin]

How to do that? I mean with which Medication or supplement?

I'm not 100% sure haha @Helen is the guru when it comes to chelation haha but I'm sure even zinc or msm could be used or maybe googling what is known to bind to copper in the body could be used.

 

[barbaar]

I'm not 100% sure haha @Helen is the guru when it comes to chelation haha but I'm sure even zinc or msm could be used or maybe googling what is known to bind to copper in the body could be used.

I think I've seen him mention fasting and exercising hard could do the trick too. (correct me if I'm wrong, might have been iron or I'm misremembering it completely)

 

[Helen]

I said use testosteorone and progesterone and that will chelate the copper. Since both of those things will put pressure on copper system

 

[vicecaz]

regarding copper; That was on my notes, I think I got it from ARL website

There are other copper antagonists such as zinc, but while zinc is generally documented as such in the
nutritional literature, it is not only the weakest of all copper antagonists, but its action on copper takes
place only on an intestinal level, so once copper goes into storage, zinc will have no effect on lowering
copper any longer. The only time zinc could become a threat to copper is in situations where either
copper levels are already on the low side and high amounts of zinc are consumed, or when potassium
and calcium - being "synergistic allies" to copper - are below normal.



Many patients exhibit high levels of zinc and copper, in which case a common denominator such as

ascorbic acid / Vitamin C has to be supplemented in larger amounts to help lower both


Some practitioners, unaware of the underlying copper excess and lacking the resources to test intra-

cellular levels of copper get temporary results by having a patient supplement more copper. Despite

the initial improvement, this can have disastrous long-term effects on a patient's physical and mental

health.

The correct approach consists of making copper (or calcium) more bioavailable by supplementing the

appropriate co-factors, with the best choice being those whose levels are lowest ratio-wise to copper,

- and as mentioned above - may include Vitamin C, chromium, sulfur (MSM), molybdenum, nickel, or

(rarely) zinc. Avoidance of foods high in copper is of utmost importance as well. This will take care

of the medical conditions a practitioner was originally consulted for, and at the same time prevents the

potential development of new medical problems elsewhere related to excessive copper intake.

Chromium is the "Gold Standard" to help normalize elevated copper, since it is its associated trace

element. More aches and pains, arthritis, slow-healing fractures, sciatica and other back problems,

various infections, etc, can be relieved with chelated chromium (not GTF), than with many other

supplements - provided they conform to the side-specific requirements (see introduction above),

provided that calcium and magnesium are close to normal, since they are also involved with various

disorders of the musculoskeletal system, and provided that potassium levels are not below normal,

since chromium is a potent potassium antagonist.

Following a close second is sulfur, usually supplemented in the form of MSM, whose main action in

addition to helping restore cartilage formation is the lowering of copper! So again, it is the high

copper levels which created a need for sulfur to help reverse joint degeneration.

 

[noprop]

This information shows how complex that stuff is, but how helpful it is. No doc tests you on minerals, aminos, vits when you are not showing severe! symptoms.

 

[IHateFin]

This information shows how complex that stuff is, but how helpful it is. No doc tests you on minerals, aminos, vits when you are not showing severe! symptoms.

Yeah and when you're showing severe symptoms it's usually too late n he will give you a bandaid to curb the symptoms n never treat the cause... smh fucking big pharma man

 

[noprop]

Yeah and when you're showing severe symptoms it's usually too late n he will give you a bandaid to curb the symptoms n never treat the cause... smh fucking big pharma man

Exactely, even then they are treating only symptoms. But docs never learned to treat the roots. They dont know it better sometimes.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Im thinking about to Start another ella Cycle tomorrow before i go on RU.
Maybe this time i should take a lower dose (5mg) Every Second day.

What do you guys think?

 

[IHateFin]

Im thinking about to Start another ella Cycle tomorrow before i go on RU.
Maybe this time i should take a lower dose (5mg) Every Second day.

What do you guys think?

Try 5mg for one day n see what happens but the lower dose is good.

I took 5mg yesterday and I felt amazing that day! Today feel good too and I'm not redosing

 

[Ingeno]

Watch out with Ella, I have used it in different ways. Single day dose, 5 days cycle and 3 days cycle. All low dose like 2-3mg each day. The first day I feel amazing but that tapers off the longer I use it. Even on the one day cycle the benefits did not stick. There must be a reason why it does not stick. I have seen many users now with the same experience and I think it is worth it if @Helen could give us some feedback on why we feel great ON Ella but not after Ella.

I think we are in the same body chemistry and either Ella is lowering or inceasing progesteron, but how to keep that state.

One more thing, everything is based on this snapback theory, and Ella makes us great while on it, but bad afterwards, a negative snapback. Maybe this means we need to try something that has the opposite effect of Ella, so we get a positive snapback. @Helen Any idea of other substances that have the opposite effect of Ella?

 

[Helen]

Watch out with Ella, I have used it in different ways. Single day dose, 5 days cycle and 3 days cycle. All low dose like 2-3mg each day. The first day I feel amazing but that tapers off the longer I use it. Even on the one day cycle the benefits did not stick. There must be a reason why it does not stick. I have seen many users now with the same experience and I think it is worth it if @Helen could give us some feedback on why we feel great ON Ella but not after Ella.

I think we are in the same body chemistry and either Ella is lowering or inceasing progesteron, but how to keep that state.

One more thing, everything is based on this snapback theory, and Ella makes us great while on it, but bad afterwards, a negative snapback. Maybe this means we need to try something that has the opposite effect of Ella, so we get a positive snapback. @Helen Any idea of other substances that have the opposite effect of Ella?

progesterone

 

[hopeforrecovery]

The Main issue Why i Want to try another Cycle is because Ive Seen real facial improvements during ella. Unfortunatley it stopped when After the cycle and My face started to look fluffy again....

 

[Jaxx]

progesterone

How would levenorgestrel fit it? As ella is "only" a modulator, while said Lev. woud fully block prog.,It worked totally different than ella for me however, still not sure whyc

 

[IHateFin]

Watch out with Ella, I have used it in different ways. Single day dose, 5 days cycle and 3 days cycle. All low dose like 2-3mg each day. The first day I feel amazing but that tapers off the longer I use it. Even on the one day cycle the benefits did not stick. There must be a reason why it does not stick. I have seen many users now with the same experience and I think it is worth it if @Helen could give us some feedback on why we feel great ON Ella but not after Ella.

I think we are in the same body chemistry and either Ella is lowering or inceasing progesteron, but how to keep that state.

One more thing, everything is based on this snapback theory, and Ella makes us great while on it, but bad afterwards, a negative snapback. Maybe this means we need to try something that has the opposite effect of Ella, so we get a positive snapback. @Helen Any idea of other substances that have the opposite effect of Ella?

I suggest taking teibulus shortly after taking Ella since it's been shown to increase progesterone.
Increasing prog sensativity is good but now you have to increase prog naturally

 

[supernature]

There are other copper antagonists such as zinc, but while zinc is generally documented as such in the
nutritional literature, it is not only the weakest of all copper antagonists, but its action on copper takes
place only on an intestinal level, so once copper goes into storage, zinc will have no effect on lowering
copper any longer. The only time zinc could become a threat to copper is in situations where either
copper levels are already on the low side and high amounts of zinc are consumed, or when potassium
and calcium - being "synergistic allies" to copper - are below normal.

...

 

[hopeforrecovery]

I suggest taking teibulus shortly after taking Ella since it's been shown to increase progesterone.
Increasing prog sensativity is good but now you have to increase prog naturally

Do you mean tribulus?

 

[IHateFin]

Do you mean tribulus?

Yeah sorry haha tribulus

 

[IHateFin]

Before you take Ella or ru take a high quality trib. You may not need too much but at least 1.5g of trib n see how you feel