How much has ARL/TEI helped you?

[hairsuit]

Lol I'm not doing I'm trying to get one of these other guys to try it especially ones that don't want to do NB right now. If they did it and felt totally cured it would probably be worth the money lol the only reason I say that is that I felt cured on RU for a short period of time when I tried it

@Boris would this be geared towards a slow or fast oxidizer?

 

[bruschi11]

@Boris would this be geared towards a slow or fast oxidizer?

Fast as I mentioned to Helen a few posts back.

 

[hairsuit]

right Bruschi, same as cortisol supplements, they kill metabolism, kill potassium, I guess body has to upregulate thyroid in that case. and also get rid of copper.

and then when you quit cortisol supplements, you will be low on potassium and you will have high progesterone. until body retains potassium

So it will take 2 months. until potassium is retained and progesterone is actually lower.


Same thing with RU. RU kills metabolism. this pushes copper out of the cell, and should upregulate the thyroid.

then you go on progesterone and retain potassium with it. but I guess, if you take too much of it. you can put too much copper into the cell again along with potassium


but in any case, I think it is best if @hairsuit , fast oxidizer with low DHT, and @Jack17 ,( slow oxidizer) with high DHT. agree to get tested since they are taking finasteride and we will see how it effects slow and fast oxidizer differently or the same

my bad boys. Totally missed this. So you want us to get tested while using the Fin? Or doing a high dose of RU?

 

[TubZy]

my bad boys. Totally missed this. So you want us to get tested while using the Fin? Or doing a high dose of RU?

Fin

 

[hairsuit]

Fin

Got it. Currently working overseas for another week. When I get home I will try and set it up. Is the idea to do the test right after takin a Fin dose? Also, was going to start another run of NB since I just got my test done again. But maybe I should hold off?

 

[RebelWithACause]

On this cycle I have no hairloss for the last 2 weeks or so. But previous two cycles I did have shedding - not really MPB I think. For example in the first cycle my scalp was painful on the crown. Second one already less. Now this cycle no pain and shedding also seems almost gone.

I hope to get better soon in the mental department. Some of the days I get a dark mood. On those days my hands are ice cold - headaches - my eyes are red/dry. Like today. ALL DAY my hands are ice cold no matter what I do. Plus the headaches and dry eyes.

I read online this could be the liver being taxed.

The downswings seem to be more intense on this cycle. Maybe because estrogen is getting higher you experience it more or something.

 

[Walker]

On this cycle I have no hairloss for the last 2 weeks or so. But previous two cycles I did have shedding - not really MPB I think. For example in the first cycle my scalp was painful on the crown. Second one already less. Now this cycle no pain and shedding also seems almost gone.

I hope to get better soon in the mental department. Some of the days I get a dark mood. On those days my hands are ice cold - headaches - my eyes are red/dry. Like today. ALL DAY my hands are ice cold no matter what I do. Plus the headaches and dry eyes.

I read online this could be the liver being taxed.

The downswings seem to be more intense on this cycle. Maybe because estrogen is getting higher you experience it more or something.

That’s how I was on my first run of it, even without PFS, so I would imagine you’re doing some heavy cleaning right now.

My second run has been the opposite, I feel great on the supplements. It’s over in two weeks, so I’ll see how I feel off. Hopefully the similarities mean good things ahead for you.

 

[RebelWithACause]

That’s how I was on my first run of it, even without PFS, so I would imagine you’re doing some heavy cleaning right now.

My second run has been the opposite, I feel great on the supplements. It’s over in two weeks, so I’ll see how I feel off. Hopefully the similarities mean good things ahead for you.

That's good man. I mean you were out of PFS when you started TEI so you probably have less downswings. How is your PTSD symptoms

 

[Walker]

That's good man. I mean you were out of PFS when you started TEI so you probably have less downswings. How is your PTSD symptoms

Actually doing really well right now. Strangely enough, after my first cycle, it was three weeks of a lot of anxiety and bad feeling. Probably worst anxiety since PFS honestly, then, one day it just dissipated and I have felt so damn calm ever since. Not anywhere close to PTSD being gone, but feeling really good. Interested to see how being off the supplements this time goes, since I’m feeling so well on them.

 

[MNK99]

Similar to how I felt about mood disorder for a couple months. Will of course do it more (TEI), just been busy.

i did 4mo +. but need retesting. prolly 4.25-5mo was done.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think I am going to incorporate deload weeks more often.

Might sound weird but I think the training I am doing is exhausting my body too much to heal fast. Yesterday I train a bit heavy and today I feel terrible. Cannot be coincidence.

I think I am pushing my body too hard for the situation it is in right now. Maybe make the training a bit lighter weights also a possibility.

When I don't train for 2-3 days I feel much better in mood and energy. Also libido. I am going to experiment a bit with it.

 

[Ingeno]

I think I am going to incorporate deload weeks more often.

Might sound weird but I think the training I am doing is exhausting my body too much to heal fast. Yesterday I train a bit heavy and today I feel terrible. Cannot be coincidence.

I think I am pushing my body too hard for the situation it is in right now. Maybe make the training a bit lighter weights also a possibility.

When I don't train for 2-3 days I feel much better in mood and energy. Also libido. I am going to experiment a bit with it.

Noticed the same thing, also less hair loss when I don't train, probably due to more nutrients available for other important processes in the body.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Noticed the same thing, also less hair loss when I don't train, probably due to more nutrients available for other important processes in the body.

Yea. Training does keep me sane so I need to figure something out

 

[jinstewart]

Agreed. I was going to try to high dose RU for a week to match the study a long time ago but couldn't justify spending close to $2K just to experiment with it since the online pharmacies are so expensive. Most people here can get it within their countries cheap.

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Hmm, seems like it might be wise to test for Hashimotos first. Anything else?

 

[TubZy]

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Yeah that is it. Most of us tried way lower doses but not high dose which is what the study showed in order to reset cortisol system and axis. Need at least 400mg a day

 

[TubZy]

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Hmm, seems like it might be wise to test for Hashimotos first. Anything else?

One dude who had hashimotos already had a bad reaction to it here. I think it was user name minime. It's up to you if you want to test for it, many others who tried it including me didn't really have any crazy reactions like minime had, but again I don't have hashimotos

 

[Walker]

Yea. Training does keep me sane so I need to figure something out

How many days a week are you training? I've moved down to four a week, with three off days. Weight lifting this is. I do HIIT once (sometimes twice) on "rest days". This has seemed to work for me during NB.

 

[RebelWithACause]

For the people doubting the copper supplementation on TEI eventhough they have symptoms of copper excess:

Oddly, although there is excess tissue copper, the amount of biologically available copper may be so low that a person may need to take some copper for a while. This is only the case if the sodium/potassium ratio is less than about 2.5:1. Copper should be given in this case, even though the patient may have signs or symptoms of copper excess. This is explained in more detail in the Copper Toxicity Syndrome article.

 

[Helen]

For the people doubting the copper supplementation on TEI eventhough they have symptoms of copper excess:

Oddly, although there is excess tissue copper, the amount of biologically available copper may be so low that a person may need to take some copper for a while. This is only the case if the sodium/potassium ratio is less than about 2.5:1. Copper should be given in this case, even though the patient may have signs or symptoms of copper excess. This is explained in more detail in the Copper Toxicity Syndrome article.

yes, they are trying to use copper to downregulate receptors. so later copper will be asked for after you come off

 

[RebelWithACause]

yes, they are trying to use copper to downregulate receptors. so later copper will be asked for after you come off

Yes and if you look at most people their hairtest on this forums they have low Na/K ratio too