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[IHateFin]

@mattyb
@IHateFin
@wuf
@@gbolduev

Well, finally got my doctor to agree to take certain labs. Below are the results. Would really appreciate opinions/thoughts from anyone.

Estrogen, Total, Serum : 220.3 pg/mL [60-190].
Estradiol: 33 pg/mL [< or = 39].
Androstenedione: 72 ng/dL [40-190].
Progesterone: 0.1 ng/dL [< or = 0.2].
DHT: 39 ng/dL [16-79].
FSH: 3.9 miU/mL [1.6-8.0].
LH: 3.3 miU/mL [1.5-9.3].
Prolactin: 4.5 ng/dL [2.0-18.0].
Ceruloplasmin: 23 mg/dL [18-36].
C-Reactive Protein: 0.3 mg/L [<8.0].
SED Rate: 2 mm/h [< or = 15].
HLA-B27 Antigen: Negative.
ANA Screen, IF A, w/refl Titer and Pattern: Positive.
SBX Antinuclear Antibodies Titer and Pattern: Homogeneous [Abnormal if homogeneous]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why he did not include Testosterone in this lab.

Waiting on hair analysis results.

Please let me know if there is anything from these labs that may be driving my symptoms. Primary symptoms: spine and joint pain, zero libido (almost completely lifeless and always cold down there), significant shrinkage and curvature, significant anxiety.

nothing on here is jumping out at me, but your progesterone is upper range it seems. I was given a different range when I was tested. my range was < .15ng, but ranges hardly matter from person to person. you may still have some mineral balancing issues if cortisol is an issue too like Gbold has mentioned. prolactin is nice n low so maybe something that helps with alkalosis or potassium and tanking progesterone would be very beneficial.

@IHateFin
Am I a good candidate to trial RU or is there not enough information here? Also, my estrogen appears quite high. Is that a concern and can that be driving any of my symptoms?

I think anyone with PFS is a good candidate for this stuff, but with your estrogen so high you may benefit more on something like reversotrol and MediHerb Tribulous before trying ru.

something that tanks potassium and prog while keeping estrogen at bay since its already high would be my recommendation. Ru will increase estrogen since its an indirect affect of blocking progesterone.

 

[Minime]

nothing on here is jumping out at me, but your progesterone is upper range it seems. I was given a different range when I was tested. my range was < .15ng, but ranges hardly matter from person to person. you may still have some mineral balancing issues if cortisol is an issue too like Gbold has mentioned. prolactin is nice n low so maybe something that helps with alkalosis or potassium and tanking progesterone would be very beneficial.

@IHateFin
Am I a good candidate to trial RU or is there not enough information here? Also, my estrogen appears quite high. Is that a concern and can that be driving any of my symptoms?

I think anyone with PFS is a good candidate for this stuff, but with your estrogen so high you may benefit more on something like reversotrol and MediHerb Tribulous before trying ru.

something that tanks potassium and prog while keeping estrogen at bay since its already high would be my recommendation. Ru will increase estrogen since its an indirect affect of blocking progesterone.
Thanks

[mention]IHateFin[/mention] . Would the minerals protocol recently posted by @gbolduev be an option for me or does my high estrogen pose an issue? What might have created my high Estrogen? Is it copper?

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin
Am I a good candidate to trial RU or is there not enough information here? Also, my estrogen appears quite high. Is that a concern and can that be driving any of my symptoms?

I think anyone with PFS is a good candidate for this stuff, but with your estrogen so high you may benefit more on something like reversotrol and MediHerb Tribulous before trying ru.

something that tanks potassium and prog while keeping estrogen at bay since its already high would be my recommendation. Ru will increase estrogen since its an indirect affect of blocking progesterone.
Thanks

@IHateFin . Would the minerals protocol recently posted by @gbolduev be an option for me or does my high estrogen pose an issue? What might have created my high Estrogen? Is it copper?

I think the mineral protocol would be a great start! Gbold says that in PFS state the body pisses out all its zinc when in the alkalosis and since it seems zinc and copper seem to balance each other out you may be in a situation where youre copper is high, but only a mineral test can confirm. we know your estrogen isn't high due to your prolactin as yours is a lot lower than I have seen in anyone with PFS. it would be wise to try his mineral protocol and maybe adapt some of the concepts I mentioned with the tribulous. key seems to be to tank, prog and potassium and possibly sodium too and feed minerals that have wasted away. also increasing insulin sensitivity is a must. you could do this several ways and incorporating 5 to 10mg of ru can be one way as well.

I chose inositol since it increases D2 receptors and increases insulin sensitivity a ton while also tanking potassium in a big way. I have also paired it with Randro which by its self has seemed to cure PFS. I have added thorn extra here n there for the minerals but switched to eating a green smoothie with spinach and kale, carrots, etc. I also use trib with this combo and some selenium and tongkat ali. hope to see what this snap back has in store when I hop off, but as you can see there are many ways one can use to tank potassium, prog ect.

 

[jacknap]

I think anyone with PFS is a good candidate for this stuff, but with your estrogen so high you may benefit more on something like reversotrol and MediHerb Tribulous before trying ru.

something that tanks potassium and prog while keeping estrogen at bay since its already high would be my recommendation. Ru will increase estrogen since its an indirect affect of blocking progesterone.
Thanks

@IHateFin . Would the minerals protocol recently posted by @gbolduev be an option for me or does my high estrogen pose an issue? What might have created my high Estrogen? Is it copper?

I think the mineral protocol would be a great start! Gbold says that in PFS state the body pisses out all its zinc when in the alkalosis and since it seems zinc and copper seem to balance each other out you may be in a situation where youre copper is high, but only a mineral test can confirm. we know your estrogen isn't high due to your prolactin as yours is a lot lower than I have seen in anyone with PFS. it would be wise to try his mineral protocol and maybe adapt some of the concepts I mentioned with the tribulous. key seems to be to tank, prog and potassium and possibly sodium too and feed minerals that have wasted away. also increasing insulin sensitivity is a must. you could do this several ways and incorporating 5 to 10mg of ru can be one way as well.

I chose inositol since it increases D2 receptors and increases insulin sensitivity a ton while also tanking potassium in a big way. I have also paired it with Randro which by its self has seemed to cure PFS. I have added thorn extra here n there for the minerals but switched to eating a green smoothie with spinach and kale, carrots, etc. I also use trib with this combo and some selenium and tongkat ali. hope to see what this snap back has in store when I hop off, but as you can see there are many ways one can use to tank potassium, prog ect.

when are u stopping your cycle to see if the results stick? might add inositol too if it works for u during my cycle...

u feel 100% now? pre fin?

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin . Would the minerals protocol recently posted by @gbolduev be an option for me or does my high estrogen pose an issue? What might have created my high Estrogen? Is it copper?

I think the mineral protocol would be a great start! Gbold says that in PFS state the body pisses out all its zinc when in the alkalosis and since it seems zinc and copper seem to balance each other out you may be in a situation where youre copper is high, but only a mineral test can confirm. we know your estrogen isn't high due to your prolactin as yours is a lot lower than I have seen in anyone with PFS. it would be wise to try his mineral protocol and maybe adapt some of the concepts I mentioned with the tribulous. key seems to be to tank, prog and potassium and possibly sodium too and feed minerals that have wasted away. also increasing insulin sensitivity is a must. you could do this several ways and incorporating 5 to 10mg of ru can be one way as well.

I chose inositol since it increases D2 receptors and increases insulin sensitivity a ton while also tanking potassium in a big way. I have also paired it with Randro which by its self has seemed to cure PFS. I have added thorn extra here n there for the minerals but switched to eating a green smoothie with spinach and kale, carrots, etc. I also use trib with this combo and some selenium and tongkat ali. hope to see what this snap back has in store when I hop off, but as you can see there are many ways one can use to tank potassium, prog ect.

when are u stopping your cycle to see if the results stick? might add inositol too if it works for u during my cycle...

u feel 100% now? pre fin?

I just hopped off my cycle.
sunday was my last day of Randro and yesterday was my last day on inositol. I will update my log at the end of the week, but man I was feeling AMAZING on the last week! ugh so good than I took a lil dip which I experienced here n there on cycle so no big deal and then I hopped off. too soon to tell, but my dick is chubbed and I have libido, mood is good and balls are loosy goosey. this morning I felt like crap but I experienced a 180 that I hop keeps getting better and better through out the week

 

[jacknap]

I think the mineral protocol would be a great start! Gbold says that in PFS state the body pisses out all its zinc when in the alkalosis and since it seems zinc and copper seem to balance each other out you may be in a situation where youre copper is high, but only a mineral test can confirm. we know your estrogen isn't high due to your prolactin as yours is a lot lower than I have seen in anyone with PFS. it would be wise to try his mineral protocol and maybe adapt some of the concepts I mentioned with the tribulous. key seems to be to tank, prog and potassium and possibly sodium too and feed minerals that have wasted away. also increasing insulin sensitivity is a must. you could do this several ways and incorporating 5 to 10mg of ru can be one way as well.

I chose inositol since it increases D2 receptors and increases insulin sensitivity a ton while also tanking potassium in a big way. I have also paired it with Randro which by its self has seemed to cure PFS. I have added thorn extra here n there for the minerals but switched to eating a green smoothie with spinach and kale, carrots, etc. I also use trib with this combo and some selenium and tongkat ali. hope to see what this snap back has in store when I hop off, but as you can see there are many ways one can use to tank potassium, prog ect.

when are u stopping your cycle to see if the results stick? might add inositol too if it works for u during my cycle...

u feel 100% now? pre fin?

I just hopped off my cycle.
sunday was my last day of Randro and yesterday was my last day on inositol. I will update my log at the end of the week, but man I was feeling AMAZING on the last week! ugh so good than I took a lil dip which I experienced here n there on cycle so no big deal and then I hopped off. too soon to tell, but my dick is chubbed and I have libido, mood is good and balls are loosy goosey. this morning I felt like crap but I experienced a 180 that I hop keeps getting better and better through out the week

d cd isn't against the notion of trying andro with 4andro on additional cycles. in the gbold sense it's dht + test + a little estrogen... maxout said he recovered his libido after that. I think i might give it a try on my second cycle. u might wanna too

 

[IHateFin]

when are u stopping your cycle to see if the results stick? might add inositol too if it works for u during my cycle...

u feel 100% now? pre fin?

I just hopped off my cycle.
sunday was my last day of Randro and yesterday was my last day on inositol. I will update my log at the end of the week, but man I was feeling AMAZING on the last week! ugh so good than I took a lil dip which I experienced here n there on cycle so no big deal and then I hopped off. too soon to tell, but my dick is chubbed and I have libido, mood is good and balls are loosy goosey. this morning I felt like crap but I experienced a 180 that I hop keeps getting better and better through out the week

d cd isn't against the notion of trying andro with 4andro on additional cycles. in the gbold sense it's dht + test + a little estrogen... maxout said he recovered his libido after that. I think i might give it a try on my second cycle. u might wanna too

Hmm that might not be a bad cycle, but does it stick?
4andro I know little about.

 

[jacknap]

I just hopped off my cycle.
sunday was my last day of Randro and yesterday was my last day on inositol. I will update my log at the end of the week, but man I was feeling AMAZING on the last week! ugh so good than I took a lil dip which I experienced here n there on cycle so no big deal and then I hopped off. too soon to tell, but my dick is chubbed and I have libido, mood is good and balls are loosy goosey. this morning I felt like crap but I experienced a 180 that I hop keeps getting better and better through out the week

d cd isn't against the notion of trying andro with 4andro on additional cycles. in the gbold sense it's dht + test + a little estrogen... maxout said he recovered his libido after that. I think i might give it a try on my second cycle. u might wanna too

Hmm that might not be a bad cycle, but does it stick?
4andro I know little about.

it stuck for maxout. he said he was recovered though when he ran it though but then he said he recovered his libido after so I think maybe he thought he was recovered and then realized he didn't have his libido until after that cycle.

it's basically same as andro but converts to test and a bit of estrogen so some ppl crush their estrogen on just andro by itself.. gunna try most likely depending on my cycle. I think i already have high estrogen though. or it might be cortisol. round face / more abdominal fat. that could be either estrogen or cortisol.

 

[Minime]

Update: Finally made the move and I sent in my hair sample to ARL today. Will hopefully have results within 2 weeks.

 

[Minime]

I’ve got my ARL results and would love some feedback but I can’t figure out how to upload the pic (taken with iPhone). I read somewhere to use Imgur but I don’t know how to do that. Any suggestions?

 

[Minime]

My ARL results. Ordered sups today. Please let me know if anyone sees anything odd. Comments are appreciated. I plan to use only the ARL approach, no other sups other than betaine hcl.

 

[Aleksandr]

Looks like a pretty standard slow oxi. Let us know how you feel in the supps

 

[Sunny]

[mention]mattyb[/mention]
[mention]IHateFin[/mention]
[mention]wuf[/mention]
@[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

Well, finally got my doctor to agree to take certain labs. Below are the results. Would really appreciate opinions/thoughts from anyone.

Estrogen, Total, Serum : 220.3 pg/mL [60-190].
Estradiol: 33 pg/mL [< or = 39].
Androstenedione: 72 ng/dL [40-190].
Progesterone: 0.1 ng/dL [< or = 0.2].
DHT: 39 ng/dL [16-79].
FSH: 3.9 miU/mL [1.6-8.0].
LH: 3.3 miU/mL [1.5-9.3].
Prolactin: 4.5 ng/dL [2.0-18.0].
Ceruloplasmin: 23 mg/dL [18-36].
C-Reactive Protein: 0.3 mg/L [<8.0].
SED Rate: 2 mm/h [< or = 15].
HLA-B27 Antigen: Negative.
ANA Screen, IF A, w/refl Titer and Pattern: Positive.
SBX Antinuclear Antibodies Titer and Pattern: Homogeneous [Abnormal if homogeneous]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why he did not include Testosterone in this lab.

Waiting on hair analysis results.

Please let me know if there is anything from these labs that may be driving my symptoms. Primary symptoms: spine and joint pain, zero libido (almost completely lifeless and always cold down there), significant shrinkage and curvature, significant anxiety.

Your estrogen are also on the higher side

 

[Minime]

Your estrogen are also on the higher side

Agree. I think that’s the only hormone that is high. Hoping ARL will help but who knows...I’m still not sure what ARL is able to address and what might require additional protocols. I should be getting the ARL sups this week. Looking forward to starting the ARL journey!

 

[RebelWithACause]

Agree. I think that’s the only hormone that is high. Hoping ARL will help but who knows...I’m still not sure what ARL is able to address and what might require additional protocols. I should be getting the ARL sups this week. Looking forward to starting the ARL journey!

Yea your estrogen is high but does not have to be bad thing. Low estrogen sucks big dick. It sucks harder than high estrogen IMO. Unless you get gyno or have emotional issues.

I think in PFS hormone levels are not that important. I have seen guys with High T and High DHT feeling like dogshit and guys with Low T and Low DHT feeling like dogshit. Very similar side effects.

Although it is probably more beneficial to have higher hormone output.

 

[Minime]

Yea your estrogen is high but does not have to be bad thing. Low estrogen sucks big dick. It sucks harder than high estrogen IMO. Unless you get gyno or have emotional issues.

I think in PFS hormone levels are not that important. I have seen guys with High T and High DHT feeling like dogshit and guys with Low T and Low DHT feeling like dogshit. Very similar side effects.

Although it is probably more beneficial to have higher hormone output.

I’m sure my high estrogen is contributing to my symptoms in some way, just not sure how. My biggest issues are shrinkage, dysfunction, and muscle wasting.

 

[Minime]

My ARL experience begins now. I just received my supps and took my first round. Like all others, I will provide updates as I progress through the upcoming days and weeks.

 

[Niles]

Good luck, man!

 

[Minime]

It’s been 10 days since I started taking ARL sups. This is my first update.
After initial dose the only thing I felt was extreme bloating and distended stomach. After the third dose my penis was fuller. I was so excited because I forgot what it felt like since I have gone so long with horrible shrinkage. Well, that increased fullness lasted 6 hours. Since then I have experienced nothing but unimaginable shrinkage which appears to worsen every day. It’s difficult to describe but my entire pubic area feels very irritated and tense, almost like the muscles are uncontrollably contracting all the time, mixed in with numbness, tingling, a dull pain and weird nerve sensations. I often feel an overwhelming feeling of cold wetness around my whole pubic region, as if I just dumped a glass of cold water down there. But when I reach down to feel, I am bone dry. Something strange is going on with the muscles and nerves in that area. Not sure what it is but the impact on the genitals is horrific as they just continue to shrink.
Something else very strange is happening. You know that shivering feeling you feel all over your body when you get scared...like all the hairs on your body stand up? Well I have that all the time...but only in my scrotum. It is nonstop, like every 10-20 seconds. It corresponds with the shrinkage I am certain.
Other findings: most notable is constant thoughts of suicide and dread. Also, increased scalp itch, increased hair shedding, went through a period of leg cramps in the middle of the night (first three nights) but those have since gone away, and I think muscle wasting and bone loss has started again, but I’m not certain.
So...wtf is happening to me? Is it the zinc that is causing this? Should I discontinue the sups since my pfs symptoms are worsening?
Also, every time I get a glimmer of hope in this battle, it is very short lived. P5P, choline, sorghum, ARL sups...all provided initial improvements for me that quickly went away. In my body PFS always finds a way to counter the positive effects.

 

[Goose12]

It’s been 10 days since I started taking ARL sups. This is my first update.
After initial dose the only thing I felt was extreme bloating and distended stomach. After the third dose my penis was fuller. I was so excited because I forgot what it felt like since I have gone so long with horrible shrinkage. Well, that increased fullness lasted 6 hours. Since then I have experienced nothing but unimaginable shrinkage which appears to worsen every day. It’s difficult to describe but my entire pubic area feels very irritated and tense, almost like the muscles are uncontrollably contracting all the time, mixed in with numbness, tingling, a dull pain and weird nerve sensations. I often feel an overwhelming feeling of cold wetness around my whole pubic region, as if I just dumped a glass of cold water down there. But when I reach down to feel, I am bone dry. Something strange is going on with the muscles and nerves in that area. Not sure what it is but the impact on the genitals is horrific as they just continue to shrink.
Something else very strange is happening. You know that shivering feeling you feel all over your body when you get scared...like all the hairs on your body stand up? Well I have that all the time...but only in my scrotum. It is nonstop, like every 10-20 seconds. It corresponds with the shrinkage I am certain.
Other findings: most notable is constant thoughts of suicide and dread. Also, increased scalp itch, increased hair shedding, went through a period of leg cramps in the middle of the night (first three nights) but those have since gone away, and I think muscle wasting and bone loss has started again, but I’m not certain.
So...wtf is happening to me? Is it the zinc that is causing this? Should I discontinue the sups since my pfs symptoms are worsening?
Also, every time I get a glimmer of hope in this battle, it is very short lived. P5P, choline, sorghum, ARL sups...all provided initial improvements for me that quickly went away. In my body PFS always finds a way to counter the positive effects.

You could always stop the supplements for a week or two and see where you are at. See if you get a snap back. Arl seems to put a lot of stress on the body by focusing on detox. Tei works better for some people.