Mitchell08 PFS Log

[M_Mitchell08]

Hello -

I am a long-time lurker, first time poster on this site (will also be asking the same question on swolesource, once I am approved?). Long-story short, I have followed CD's PFS protocol very strictly over the last year and made tremendous gains, so much so that I would've considered myself cured in late October, early November. It was at this time that I also received a round of corticosteroids from an eye doctor, because my eyes were quite bloodshot. From that point forward I seemed to regress quite precipitously. I started noticing that my body was putting on a ton of water weight, 10-15lbs and I became quite gassy. Also, it was like I lost control of my bowels, meaning that it feels like something is leaking from my butt. It isn't shit, but liquid like, feels like something is dripping and I notice it more in the afternoon and evening. I also have a knot of some sort on the lower right side of my stomach (my left, but it you were looking at me it would be right). What scares me the most is my poop is runny all the time and my body temperature is low, even for PFS. Over the summer I was measuring my body temperature in the mornings and I'd be in the high 96's but now, when I wake up I am in the low 95s (borderline hypothermia). I am not sure if it is thyroid related or what, but figured I'd post and see if anyone has had similar experience. I am starting back on the herbs and clean eating, completed a 5 day juice feast even though I didn't drop a ton of water weight this time. Also hitting the gym again, but my muscles are so fatigued it is hard at times.

Any thoughts or insight would be greatly appreciated.

 

[joekool]

Welcome to the forum... first I'll ask anything else different? Diet wise? I've heard of such leakage related to energy drinks and other medications... so just wondering if anything else comes to mind...

I hate to think the corticosteroids caused such regression... though it's good info for all of us in the same condition ... we should avoid them I would suppose...

You can add a probiotic pill, any will do, and maybe even a 2nd daily yogurt... this definitely will help digestion... I can't say it'll help other side... typically, you'll see with babies, they have orange stools... this is because baby food is easily digested and is designed to pass through without incident (Old school body builders used to eat 4 baby food sweet potato in the locker rooms for obviously reasons)... maybe add something to your diet that's binding... there are others on here with better diet experience so you'll def get a better reply... stick around...

can you answer me something on your experience with CD's protocol? Did you do juice feast or straight water fast ? Was that a huge catalyst to your beginning of recovery ?

 

[Helen]

corticosteroids cause hypokalemia and alkalosis, potassium is what makes your thyroid hormone work in the cell. Thus if you run low on potassium you feel very hypothyroid.
try to take electrolytes * magnesium potassium chlorides) with protein and HCL. it should get you back on line.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

@joekool and @gbolduev thank you for the quick responses! This is really helpful.

@joekool As for my diet, nothing has changed. I completed a juice cleanse and now am on the paleo diet with a slew of herbs and supplements. As for my first cleanse, I completed a juice feast for two weeks and, while I didn't feel a ton of difference, it definitely helped and I was in horrible shape to begin with. Could hardly concentrate - hence why I didn't log in to various sites and contribute. Let me know if you have any additional questions about the recovery.

@gbolduev thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. I noticed that I started to receive a large amount of twitching around the same time I took the corticosteroid and I think it is starting to make sense. So I'll say this, I took one of those 6 day treatments and a 7 day treatment about a month later that was very high, like 40 mg a day. I bet this has something to do with the weird sensations. Could this be the case, even if I have stopped using for a month? So what supplements should I add to my regiment? I am currently taking magnesium chloride and betaine hcl, but it sounds like you're recommending more? Just wanted to makes sure I am doing everything I can to get rid of these side effects.

 

[wuf]

Hello -

I am a long-time lurker, first time poster on this site (will also be asking the same question on swolesource, once I am approved?). Long-story short, I have followed CD's PFS protocol very strictly over the last year and made tremendous gains, so much so that I would've considered myself cured in late October, early November. It was at this time that I also received a round of corticosteroids from an eye doctor, because my eyes were quite bloodshot. From that point forward I seemed to regress quite precipitously. I started noticing that my body was putting on a ton of water weight, 10-15lbs and I became quite gassy. Also, it was like I lost control of my bowels, meaning that it feels like something is leaking from my butt. It isn't ****, but liquid like, feels like something is dripping and I notice it more in the afternoon and evening. I also have a knot of some sort on the lower right side of my stomach (my left, but it you were looking at me it would be right). What scares me the most is my poop is runny all the time and my body temperature is low, even for PFS. Over the summer I was measuring my body temperature in the mornings and I'd be in the high 96's but now, when I wake up I am in the low 95s (borderline hypothermia). I am not sure if it is thyroid related or what, but figured I'd post and see if anyone has had similar experience. I am starting back on the herbs and clean eating, completed a 5 day juice feast even though I didn't drop a ton of water weight this time. Also hitting the gym again, but my muscles are so fatigued it is hard at times.

Any thoughts or insight would be greatly appreciated.

When yousay you were almost complete recovered by CdNuts protocol, did you use R Andro as well?..just my personal curiosity.

 

[Helen]

@joekool and @gbolduev thank you for the quick responses! This is really helpful.

@joekool As for my diet, nothing has changed. I completed a juice cleanse and now am on the paleo diet with a slew of herbs and supplements. As for my first cleanse, I completed a juice feast for two weeks and, while I didn't feel a ton of difference, it definitely helped and I was in horrible shape to begin with. Could hardly concentrate - hence why I didn't log in to various sites and contribute. Let me know if you have any additional questions about the recovery.

@gbolduev thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. I noticed that I started to receive a large amount of twitching around the same time I took the corticosteroid and I think it is starting to make sense. So I'll say this, I took one of those 6 day treatments and a 7 day treatment about a month later that was very high, like 40 mg a day. I bet this has something to do with the weird sensations. Could this be the case, even if I have stopped using for a month? So what supplements should I add to my regiment? I am currently taking magnesium chloride and betaine hcl, but it sounds like you're recommending more? Just wanted to makes sure I am doing everything I can to get rid of these side effects.

yeah, corticosteroids can cause and keep alkalosis for years to come. This is a well known fact in medical community.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

When yousay you were almost complete recovered by CdNuts protocol, did you use R Andro as well?..just my personal curiosity.

I didn't use R Andro, but I did use 5a- DHP. I was so damn close, should've gone longer.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

yeah, corticosteroids can cause and keep alkalosis for years to come. This is a well known fact in medical community.

Awesome, so you think I need to get Potassium Chloride? Also, I'd imagine blood level potassium doesn't give a full story - sort of like everything that we have seen with PFS. I had bloodwork done a couple of weeks ago and K+ was at 4.4, while it was at 4.3 almost a year ago. But just reading on the alkalosis, that seems to be what I have.

Just to be clear, I should go get some Potassium Chloride? Also, is the HCL different from Betaine HCL

 

[joekool]

I should mention your temperature is definitely thyroid so check into iodine for long term or T3 for short term. The T3 is to see if you improve the bowel issue while also helping temperature. It's the active thyroid hormone. If so, we have a lead on what's ailing you.

 

[Helen]

If potassium is normal. then should check cysteine and selenium. and iodine. Joe is right, cortisol could downregulate your thyroid also. if your potassium is 4.4 4.3

You can have both low potassium magnesium, chlorides and low thyroid conversion.

Might need to try NAC selenium for a short while. iodine , or T3 for a short term., and all of this with electrolytes

 

[M_Mitchell08]

@joekool @gbolduev really appreciate the feedback! I just started taking selenium and ordered some Iodine. how long should I give it to see if it works? What is confusing me in my reading about hypothyroid, which is what I believe it might be, is that it says there should be constipation but I seem to be having loose stools. With my potassium levels, do you think it is still worth it to try and supplement potassium chloride? Or should I give Iodine a run? Also, if this is a new development since taking the steroids, do you think it is permanent? In the sense that I will need to be on a thyroid medicine forever?

 

[joekool]

I don't believe anything is permanent and you've proven so with your decent recovery of PFS prior to the setback... so you'll bounce back... if you only look forward...

back to your supplements tho... can you list them here? Also, list which ones are gel caps like fish oil or vitamin D (I found dry vitamin D because I had the issue from any oil based supplement. I even found dry phospadytilserine )

 

[M_Mitchell08]

good news, added iodine to my protocol last night and when I took my temperature this morning it was 97.0. That is a huge jump!!

@joekool my protocol is as follows:

Every Day
Pine Pollen
Tongkat Ali
Shilajit
Schisandra
Goji
Probiotic (pill)
10000 Vitamin C (gel cap)
Magnesium Calcium (pill)
Ashawaganda (pill)
Niacinamide (pill)
Cod Oil (gel cap)

7 day rotation
cordyceps
eleuthero
he shou wu
maca
maral
mucuna

Another symptom that I seem to have is hemorrhoids. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[joekool]

First, I would totally remove the cod oil & Vitamin C... if that's a concentrated oil in those pills, taking 2 or 3 total a day has messed my days up in the past so I would totally cut those for a week to see if you notice improvements.

I thought I had luck with pine pollen but didn't really... same with ashwaganda (not meaning related to your main issue, I mean related to the benefits. I removed those from my daily regiment, just saying)

Also I would cut calcium and go magnesium only but wait a week before re-adding... magnesium loosens stool. It's common in laxatives...

Iodine is a miracle man... idk why I missed it... I've researched thyroid and iodine keeps coming back as a secret ingredient ... I've been using it for about a month straight after a T3 only cycle... happy to hear you see something already... L-Tyrosine is an important amino for thyroid activity. Should help you as it helped me in the past. Selenium I just added to my regiment as well related to thyroid conversion. Jury is still out on that...

Keep up the recovering

 

[M_Mitchell08]

First, I would totally remove the cod oil & Vitamin C... if that's a concentrated oil in those pills, taking 2 or 3 total a day has messed my days up in the past so I would totally cut those for a week to see if you notice improvements.

I thought I had luck with pine pollen but didn't really... same with ashwaganda (not meaning related to your main issue, I mean related to the benefits. I removed those from my daily regiment, just saying)

Also I would cut calcium and go magnesium only but wait a week before re-adding... magnesium loosens stool. It's common in laxatives...

Iodine is a miracle man... idk why I missed it... I've researched thyroid and iodine keeps coming back as a secret ingredient ... I've been using it for about a month straight after a T3 only cycle... happy to hear you see something already... L-Tyrosine is an important amino for thyroid activity. Should help you as it helped me in the past. Selenium I just added to my regiment as well related to thyroid conversion. Jury is still out on that...

Keep up the recovering

Wow! I meant Vitamin D, not C. Sorry about that haha. I will look to go pure magnesium too. You think I might need to add potassium? Also, for the electrolytes what is the best way to add those?

 

[joekool]

I remember one time I got suckered into these special tribulus terrestris pills that were in oil to speed up absorption by X percentage... they were blue... maybe they still make them... idk...

But I took the recommended 4 pills one morning and headed to work... while on the highway, I realized something was brewing... and no , this wasn't coffee... a few 'uh oh' bubbles later and I was taking an exit where I parked and rushed into a McDs bathroom... fortunately it was morning so the bathroom wasn't a murder scene yet but I ran to the handicap'd stall as I knew I was going to require assistance getting back up from the depths of what was about to occur.

I got a few pieces of toilet paper on the seat and let loose... as I sat in the hovering 'fecal position', I maintained a firm grasp on one of the handle bars... and began praying for the sweet release of death to rescue me from this evacuation ... as quickly as it started however ... it was over...

I couldn't look... I wouldn't... I flushed and began to clean up...

I called in sick and went home where I burned the underpants and showered with the hottest water. There were tears that morning... but I only just recently began admitting that...

 

[joekool]

For vitamin D3, I use Bio Tech D3-5 250 Capsules from amazon... they're dry so I don't have any stomach issues... potassium is fine to add... any electrolyte mix is fine... hydrate from MuscleFeast is fine.. Pedialite is fine in emergencies too...

 

[wuf]

good news, added iodine to my protocol last night and when I took my temperature this morning it was 97.0. That is a huge jump!!

@joekool my protocol is as follows:

Every Day
Pine Pollen
Tongkat Ali
Shilajit
Schisandra
Goji
Probiotic (pill)
10000 Vitamin C (gel cap)
Magnesium Calcium (pill)
Ashawaganda (pill)
Niacinamide (pill)
Cod Oil (gel cap)

7 day rotation
cordyceps
eleuthero
he shou wu
maca
maral
mucuna
Another symptom that I seem to have is hemorrhoids. Has anyone else noticed this?

By the way, this is not the CdNuts protocol, he doesn't suggest to use all these herbs at once in one day.
They are supposed to be cycled 1 per day... Is this the way you used CdNuts protocol which set you back in the state of being "almost recovered"?

 

[M_Mitchell08]

By the way, this is not the CdNuts protocol, he doesn't suggest to use all these herbs at once in one day.
They are supposed to be cycled 1 per day... Is this the way you used CdNuts protocol which set you back in the state of being "almost recovered"?

You’re absolutely right and i failed to mention that I changed my herb rotation up a bit after reading about the success that a user named 27andscared had with taking some of the herbs on a daily basis. I started this in August and actually had s lot of success. It was around the same time I added the DHP, so it could’ve just been a coincidence.

 

[wuf]

You’re absolutely right and i failed to mention that I changed my herb rotation up a bit after reading about the success that a user named 27andscared had with taking some of the herbs on a daily basis. I started this in August and actually had s lot of success. It was around the same time I added the DHP, so it could’ve just been a coincidence.

Wow, that's a lot of stuff on a daily basis...I mean, there are a lot of minerals in all those herbs, a lot of properties of all those different herbs...
Did you organize the combo in a rational way based on the properties of the herbs or you just took the combo irrationally?
Thank you to share.