Mitchell08 PFS Log

[M_Mitchell08]

For vitamin D3, I use Bio Tech D3-5 250 Capsules from amazon... they're dry so I don't have any stomach issues... potassium is fine to add... any electrolyte mix is fine... hydrate from MuscleFeast is fine.. Pedialite is fine in emergencies too...

Good stuff, thanks @joekool for the advice. I'll tell you what, since adding the Iodine my body temperature has gone up a ton! I said that it would usually be in the low 95s and the last two days it has been in the mid 97s and even 98 this morning. I wish the water retention would subside, but I am wondering if it will take longer? I guess the imbalance that is causing it would have to even out first. Definitely excited for the water weight to get off. Been working out a lot too, still don't feel the pump yet, but I can tell I have more testosterone flowing through the body - penis is about as large as I have seen it in a couple years. Feel like I am on the recovery track other than the water weight and lack of muscle pumping at the gym. What do you guys think?

 

[wuf]

Good stuff, thanks @joekool for the advice. I'll tell you what, since adding the Iodine my body temperature has gone up a ton! I said that it would usually be in the low 95s and the last two days it has been in the mid 97s and even 98 this morning. I wish the water retention would subside, but I am wondering if it will take longer? I guess the imbalance that is causing it would have to even out first. Definitely excited for the water weight to get off. Been working out a lot too, still don't feel the pump yet, but I can tell I have more testosterone flowing through the body - penis is about as large as I have seen it in a couple years. Feel like I am on the recovery track other than the water weight and lack of muscle pumping at the gym. What do you guys think?

You have recovered once, you will recover twice!
The combo you are using seems super strong, I am just a bit worried if the herbs using match well each others...!!

 

[joekool]

Oh I’m so glad to hear of this! Yea iodine snuck up as a huge helper. Keeping the metabolism going and blood where it needs to go is huge.

Do not worry of the water retention yet... we need several months at an improved state before permanent healing can begin.

You can increase cardio to see if you sweat and notice more water leaving and increase the amount of water you drink to get your body to release some but don’t take anything extra for the hope of releasing water. You’Re doing fine now.

One question I ask ppl, did you ever have any fungal issues like toenail or skin infections? I ask because I’m noticing another pattern of poor metabolism, low body temp and increase fungal issues as a result. Those fungi die when we’re 98 degrees. I had a toe one and it magically healed around my improvements.

 

[joekool]

Oh and for the pump. Get some salt or sodium in before your workout. Potato with salt or even something like potato chips. You should get the pump from carbs and sodium but don’t worry about this part just yet. Keep up the consistent lifestyle change you’re making thus far and more improvements will come.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Here's a weird question that I think I have seen on either propeciahelp or solvepfs, but has anyone had a weird reaction to surgery? More specifically, I have had some work done on the gums inside my mouth (gum graft on a couple of teeth) and it seems like there is some serious inflammation from where they took the tissue? Now my face is not symmetrical and it just seems fatty on the affected side. For example, my right side of my face is really puffy now and it is almost like the muscle has turned to fat. I think I saw someone mention that they had some cheek work done before and the doctor talked about the tissue being weird, or not what it should be.

 

[stupidfreak]

Here's a weird question that I think I have seen on either propeciahelp or solvepfs, but has anyone had a weird reaction to surgery? More specifically, I have had some work done on the gums inside my mouth (gum graft on a couple of teeth) and it seems like there is some serious inflammation from where they took the tissue? Now my face is not symmetrical and it just seems fatty on the affected side. For example, my right side of my face is really puffy now and it is almost like the muscle has turned to fat. I think I saw someone mention that they had some cheek work done before and the doctor talked about the tissue being weird, or not what it should be.

Probably a bad surgery?Tissue being weird is entierly possible.I think MNK99 had a serious operation while being pfs(could be wrong) and he didnt notice anything far too out of hand

 

[MNK99]

Yes at @stupidfreak that's true. It was only a "semi-serious" surgery because there was no muscle repair (M.R. doubles recovery time and hurts like hell).
It was a pain, but that was expected. Only feeling dumb and lazy/tired (PFS) made it a bit harder. And the pain meds made it hard to see at times (double vision). I couldn't stand upright, lie down, move well, shower for a bit. All part of the normal experience of that surgery.

Healed well according to my surgeon.
I had a fair amount of water retention with that surgery as expected. PFS contributed too, but I think it's more normal now. Still, I hate any water retention period.

Dental surgery can cause inflammation anyways even without PFS. Did you bring it up to them? @M_Mitchell08. I think it could possibly affect facial tissue as some have seen. Some of us have experienced some facial changes, but I think most can recover by getting DHT to work again. It's best to try and think about healing as a whole and not what we hate most about what has happened.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Thanks fellas for the response, I really appreciate it.

One final question, I had some bleeding from the butt for about a year now. I went to the doctor and he said I had an anal fissure and prescribed me a steroid cream for 3 weeks. Given my recent issues with steroids (see water retention in initial post), if you were in my shoes, would you use the cream? I am assuming it would still get in the bloodstream and cause systematic issues. Nothing like talking about ass issues on a Monday morning!

 

[wuf]

Thanks fellas for the response, I really appreciate it.

One final question, I had some bleeding from the butt for about a year now. I went to the doctor and he said I had an anal fissure and prescribed me a steroid cream for 3 weeks. Given my recent issues with steroids (see water retention in initial post), if you were in my shoes, would you use the cream? I am assuming it would still get in the bloodstream and cause systematic issues. Nothing like talking about ass issues on a Monday morning!

Cream will still get in the bloodstream and cause systematic issues. Think about testo gel, it does get in the bloodstream, so I would avoid it.
Find another solution for it.

 

[wuf]

From the symptoms you leasted in your first threat, I would suggest you to check for UC, I started it with the same symptoms.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Water retention is the things still annoying me the most. I’ve got huge blue veins running down both sides of my stomach. By the end of the day I’m so bloated. Put on 15lbs. Been working out a lot and doesn’t seem to help. The iodine has been a god-send. Any help on weight would be good. I’m also going to get labs done tomorrow. Anything specific I should test for?

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Ok fellas, could really use some help here as I am completely baffled and at wits end - it has become harder and harder to function and live each day. I'm honestly at a worse place mentally than I was when I first started this PFS journey, any help on how to start is greatly appreciated. I have created several post here, so I apologize but I just don't know what to do.

As you'd see in my other post, which I apologize for cluttering up, I felt like I had recovered around November - felt the testosterone come back online and everything (larger penis, hair starting to fall out, acne, and back hair growth). It was my belief that my DHT and Testosterone was kicking back on, almost on overdrive. As such, I was getting a myriad of symptoms - notably the bloating, pressure in my head causing my eyes to be bloodshot, sinus pressure, this weird sensation of a rubberband popping in my left ear that would occur every time I would eat drink or yawn, as well as poops so big it was causing an anal fissure. Again, these symptoms aren't normal, I get that, but I felt recovered from PFS in the sense that my testosterone was higher and I could eat anything I wanted without the bloating and gurgling I was having and I was actually passing 2-3 bowl movements on a daily basis.

What is really weird is there have only been two things that have caused all these symptoms to subside. First, the time that I experimented with minoxidil two weeks ago, and secondarily when I take 30mg of zinc. What scares me is that Zinc and Minoxidil are known to be 5AR inhibitors and I am just wondering if I am extremely sensitive to inhibitors. But I can tell you this, I cannot live with the symptoms I was describing. The rubber band mechanism in my ear is super painful, as are the bowel movements to the point where I fear having to use the bathroom and eat less and less. Additionally, as the high DHT symptoms come back online, I cannot sleep. I can only imagine that the receptors are super sensitive and go into overdrive when there is nothing inhibiting them. I have tapered off all herbs and supplements until I get my hair test back, but I could use some sort of insight. Like I said, I battled hard and never lost faith in my recover to PFS, but this new and recent development has me at my wit's end and I cannot continue living like this. I haven't found a story that is similar to mine at all and that is what scares me. It is like I recovered but now have extremely high DHT. I guess at this point I am going to go to my natropath and get some hormonal bloodwork done, I don't know.

I don't care about my hair, I just want to be normal. I'd give anything to be where I was this time last year fighting PFS versus my current state.


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[Orion]

Ok fellas, could really use some help here as I am completely baffled and at wits end - it has become harder and harder to function and live each day. I'm honestly at a worse place mentally than I was when I first started this PFS journey, any help on how to start is greatly appreciated. I have created several post here, so I apologize but I just don't know what to do.

As you'd see in my other post, which I apologize for cluttering up, I felt like I had recovered around November - felt the testosterone come back online and everything (larger penis, hair starting to fall out, acne, and back hair growth). It was my belief that my DHT and Testosterone was kicking back on, almost on overdrive. As such, I was getting a myriad of symptoms - notably the bloating, pressure in my head causing my eyes to be bloodshot, sinus pressure, this weird sensation of a rubberband popping in my left ear that would occur every time I would eat drink or yawn, as well as poops so big it was causing an anal fissure. Again, these symptoms aren't normal, I get that, but I felt recovered from PFS in the sense that my testosterone was higher and I could eat anything I wanted without the bloating and gurgling I was having and I was actually passing 2-3 bowl movements on a daily basis.

What is really weird is there have only been two things that have caused all these symptoms to subside. First, the time that I experimented with minoxidil two weeks ago, and secondarily when I take 30mg of zinc. What scares me is that Zinc and Minoxidil are known to be 5AR inhibitors and I am just wondering if I am extremely sensitive to inhibitors. But I can tell you this, I cannot live with the symptoms I was describing. The rubber band mechanism in my ear is super painful, as are the bowel movements to the point where I fear having to use the bathroom and eat less and less. Additionally, as the high DHT symptoms come back online, I cannot sleep. I can only imagine that the receptors are super sensitive and go into overdrive when there is nothing inhibiting them. I have tapered off all herbs and supplements until I get my hair test back, but I could use some sort of insight. Like I said, I battled hard and never lost faith in my recover to PFS, but this new and recent development has me at my wit's end and I cannot continue living like this. I haven't found a story that is similar to mine at all and that is what scares me. It is like I recovered but now have extremely high DHT. I guess at this point I am going to go to my natropath and get some hormonal bloodwork done, I don't know.

I don't care about my hair, I just want to be normal. I'd give anything to be where I was this time last year fighting PFS versus my current state.


High DHT Symptoms | New Jersey | Lorraine Maita MD

No minerals until you get your hairtest, taking zinc on its own, if you don't need it, will cause all kinds of issues, it effects alot other minerals.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

I got to say, I really love this forum. Had a buddy that is on here and SolvePFS reach out after seeing my thread. He said I wasn't alone and there are some guys with similar siutations, albete they seem a bit more severe than the normal PFS. That is fine, I am going to work towards defeating it. But just wanted your feedback, as I found a similar post to what I was describing what I felt on Minoxidil. This was written by a guy whose parents are both doctors, dad is a neurologist and mom is an endocrinologist, so I'd imagine he knows what he is talking about. Would y'all mind taking a look and letting me know what you think? The "excess androgen" pain is exactly what I've been dealing with since November.

To be clear, I am sure as hell not trying opiates to beat this, nor is the post below mine. Just didn't know if anyone had any advice on how to start??

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So I was on opiates for about 8 months to get rid of the head pressure, and it suprisingly relived the "excess" androgen feeling I had from PFS. Inflamed Skin/Scalp, Oily Scalp, Unnatural Energy, Slowed Diffuse Hairloss(Never had any hairloss prior to FIN) basically Everything I felt from Testosterone, because my body has extremely upregulated/oversensitive Androgen Receptors since the crash. I still had all my main symptoms which are completely UNBEARABLE, but now that the androgen symptoms are back its driving me even more insane.

So once i quit opiates, after the opiate withdrawal subsided, i felt better than norma(PFS) for a day, then the next day all the androgen symptoms i was suffering before opiates came back, it was like DEJAVU of extra symptoms i had before opiates. This is obviously because testosterone is back since opiates decrease Test. I need to find a way to lower my AR sensitivity, because this makes my already living hell much worse. before i couldn't get out of bed because my brain is so fucked, now I'm just in a fetal position basically because the inflammation caused by oversensitive AR.

I found that Minoxidil works in the opposite way of Finasteride, Since FIN does up regulates AR and make it more sensitive, also causing increased AR transcription factor.

Minoxidil Does The Following:
suppressed AR-responsive reporter activity
decreased AR protein stability
suppressed AR-related functions
decreasing AR transcriptional activity
reducing expression of AR targets at the protein level
suppressing AR-positive LNCaP cell growth
Minoxidil may suppress androgen receptor-related functions


IVE been using morphine every 3 days just to get rid of the inflamed feeling in my scalp and body, just until i can find out another way to fix this. But it isn't helping as much as when i was using it everyday, even on the days i use it now, i don't really think its helping much, as its probably not reducing testosterone close to what it was everyday.

Morphine gives me no pleasure because I'm so tolerant, so I'm just using for this purpose. But Morphine also isn't something i can take all the time because i still have to go through opiate withdrawal, which is almost as bad as the inflamed feeling.
DO you guys think its worth a try, I just can't afford to make things worse. Thanks
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[Nina]

Ok fellas, could really use some help here as I am completely baffled and at wits end - it has become harder and harder to function and live each day. I'm honestly at a worse place mentally than I was when I first started this PFS journey, any help on how to start is greatly appreciated. I have created several post here, so I apologize but I just don't know what to do.

As you'd see in my other post, which I apologize for cluttering up, I felt like I had recovered around November - felt the testosterone come back online and everything (larger penis, hair starting to fall out, acne, and back hair growth). It was my belief that my DHT and Testosterone was kicking back on, almost on overdrive. As such, I was getting a myriad of symptoms - notably the bloating, pressure in my head causing my eyes to be bloodshot, sinus pressure, this weird sensation of a rubberband popping in my left ear that would occur every time I would eat drink or yawn, as well as poops so big it was causing an anal fissure. Again, these symptoms aren't normal, I get that, but I felt recovered from PFS in the sense that my testosterone was higher and I could eat anything I wanted without the bloating and gurgling I was having and I was actually passing 2-3 bowl movements on a daily basis.

What is really weird is there have only been two things that have caused all these symptoms to subside. First, the time that I experimented with minoxidil two weeks ago, and secondarily when I take 30mg of zinc. What scares me is that Zinc and Minoxidil are known to be 5AR inhibitors and I am just wondering if I am extremely sensitive to inhibitors. But I can tell you this, I cannot live with the symptoms I was describing. The rubber band mechanism in my ear is super painful, as are the bowel movements to the point where I fear having to use the bathroom and eat less and less. Additionally, as the high DHT symptoms come back online, I cannot sleep. I can only imagine that the receptors are super sensitive and go into overdrive when there is nothing inhibiting them. I have tapered off all herbs and supplements until I get my hair test back, but I could use some sort of insight. Like I said, I battled hard and never lost faith in my recover to PFS, but this new and recent development has me at my wit's end and I cannot continue living like this. I haven't found a story that is similar to mine at all and that is what scares me. It is like I recovered but now have extremely high DHT. I guess at this point I am going to go to my natropath and get some hormonal bloodwork done, I don't know.

I don't care about my hair, I just want to be normal. I'd give anything to be where I was this time last year fighting PFS versus my current state.


High DHT Symptoms | New Jersey | Lorraine Maita MD

Zinc on its own increases progesterone levels so i wouldn’t take it. It’s not recommended for pfs people.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Zinc on its own increases progesterone levels so i wouldn’t take it. It’s not recommended for pfs people.

Thanks, it’s just annoying that it and minoxidil have provided the best results and are probably the worst for me.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Fuck. Just got some labwork back and, compared to last year at this time, my testosterone has dropped to where I am now considered low (234) as has my Free Testosterone (3.6). The lowest range of that last year was 11.1 and the testosterone was at 631 - I just don't get it.

 

[bruschi11]

Testosterone is clearly something that is shifting yours/ Grey Baron's immune system that allows pathogens, toxins, whatever is the major cause of your issues to thrive.

You guys are looking at the hormones and trying to find a way to stop the hormone when in reality you need to find what exactly is the stressor causing the brain fog and issues.

When did @greybaron post that @M_Mitchell08 ? I know he's been in a bad place for quite some time and has been off the forums. Really wish that kid could come over here and learn. Too young he's like 24 and has been sick for 3 years such a shame.

You guys need to get to the route and work with mineral balance, detoxification, "manual pathogen work" etc.

When I increased T when I was bad and actually made this a priority my mental symptoms got unbearably worse.

 

[brix]

Fuck. Just got some labwork back and, compared to last year at this time, my testosterone has dropped to where I am now considered low (234) as has my Free Testosterone (3.6). The lowest range of that last year was 11.1 and the testosterone was at 631 - I just don't get it.

Well if you’re still taking opiates, you should expect lower T.

 

[M_Mitchell08]

Well if you’re still taking opiates, you should expect lower T.

I am not taking opiates.

The article I quoted was someone else on PFS, I have gone back and italicized for clarification.